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So apparently as a special thing for the premiere the first 5 episodes of Molly McGee S2 are now on D+ (though I’m told the show will return to a more normal release schedule going forward) That said, things seem off to a good start. The Chens are fun, Scratch as the new Chairman promises to be amusing (it seems we’ll also be getting into his past a bit more this season), Libby continues to be adorable and the new Andrea is a welcome change. Also from what I hear Ashly Burch and Dana Snyder will apparently be doing some improv this time around I kind of wish they’d changed the intro a bit more though (they literally just added Libby and Geoff to the hug scene and called it a day) Larryb fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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Larryb posted:Speaking of, I don’t think I ever watched the 90’s cartoon. Does it still hold up at all? funny you mention this as i came across some episodes in the first season, and surprisingly, yes. voice acting, music, and even animation were surprisingly solid. it's probably as good a show you could get in terms of edutainment.
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Mr Interweb posted:funny you mention this as i came across some episodes in the first season, and surprisingly, yes. voice acting, music, and even animation were surprisingly solid. it's probably as good a show you could get in terms of edutainment. Yeah, I watched the first episode recently. It’s kind of one of the games come to life in terms of setup but the characters seem fun and there are apparently some actual story beats later on that the Netflix version borrowed from (it also features one of Jennifer Hale’s earliest voice roles). Kind of a pity the Carmen Sandiego franchise as a whole seems to have died with the 2019 series though as I remember it being pretty big back in the 90’s
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Yeah it was an alright show, no grand narratives like many people expect in shows these days, but I don't tink there are any cartoon mystery shows around these days either, so it's not like any show right now is doing what it was focused on. There were a couple of multi-episode arcs where Carmen had a scheme too big for one half hour timeslot. The framing device of a game was weird, but sure why not. Weirder choice to have the chief be a big moonface guy instead of a black lady like most of the franchise. Carmen was often an antihero in the show as well, the one episode I remember was where one of her henchmen was trying to change the course of the civil war by stealing that confederate submarine to sink the Monitor, and she was helping Zack and Ivy to stop him. Best part of the show was the theme song, which was a real banger, but more people tend to know the a cappella song from the gameshow instead. The most important part of the franchise I think though are the edutainment games, which also haven't had an entry for a while. The company behind them died, and the last proper game was in 2015, but there was a google maps thing in 2019. https://www.carmensandiego.com/games
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SlothfulCobra posted:Yeah it was an alright show, no grand narratives like many people expect in shows these days, but I don't tink there are any cartoon mystery shows around these days either, so it's not like any show right now is doing what it was focused on. There were a couple of multi-episode arcs where Carmen had a scheme too big for one half hour timeslot. The framing device of a game was weird, but sure why not. Weirder choice to have the chief be a big moonface guy instead of a black lady like most of the franchise. The show was entertaining, with a pretty great voice cast with Jennifer Hale (her first role, I think), Scott Menville and a pre-Squidward Rodger Bumpass who was playing the Chief not unlike the Genie from Aladdin as was the style at the time. The framing was indeed and leading to some questions you shouldn't think about because it's a kid show. A pointless bit of trivia I will apparently take to my grave is Ivy for some reason hated her brother calling her 'sis.'
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The whole antihero aspect of the character was expanded upon even further in the Netflix series where Carmen was the main protagonist (though there I would probably refer to her more as Chaotic Good if anything), they also dialed back on (or possibly erased entirely, I forget) the edutainment aspect of the show in favor of a more narrative focused story Speaking of, has the studio behind the Netflix version done anything else of particular note before or since then?
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Anyway, we just got our first teaser for the new Superman series: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8a6597G7ClQ
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Thas mah bank.
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Going by her Wikipedia page apparently this series will also be the first voice acting role for Alice Lee (Lois) Looks decent enough from what little we have so far though (the animation style kind of reminds me of Invincible)
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I like Lois' big jacket.
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On another note, considering the series is called “My” Adventures With Superman I wonder if that indicates that Lois will be be the main focal character in this incarnation (or at least, be just as much the star of the show as Clark is) It’d make sense at least seeing as she’s usually more interesting than him anyway
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Larryb posted:On another note, considering the series is called “My” Adventures With Superman I wonder if that indicates that Lois will be be the main focal character in this incarnation (or at least, be just as much the star of the show as Clark is) Lois Lane investigates mysteries and solves small scale problems with the help of her friends Clark Kent and Jimmy Olsen while Superman occasionally shows up and complicates things needlessly with his superdickery sounds like it would be a pretty cool take on the by now boring as poo poo Superman mythos.
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Lois has a bit of a mutual crush on the dorky Clark, but he's oblvious to it and for some reason he is convinced that she's could only fall in love with his alter ego. He keeps on trying to impress her as superman, but it comes across as overbearing and a bit douchy. I would love a show to explore that dynamic. At least that's something less worn out
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nine-gear crow posted:while Superman occasionally shows up and complicates things needlessly with his superdickery this reminds me of the Batman: Brave & the Bold ep that recreated all the Superdickery covers  
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I've been trying to nail down the exact energy that the Earthspark version of Bumblebee has, and I think I got it: He's a student teacher who 1. was not prepared for teaching to be this stressful, 2. still wants to do a good job and 3. is determined to not let being responsible stop him from being fun and funny
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so random thought i had. you know how it's been en vogue in recent years to have sympathetic villains that seemed to have legitimate gripes but we the audience are to still think they're evil cause they're supposed to be the bad guys(killmonger, the flagsmashers, etc.)? well i was thinking about that issue with Syndrome from the Incredibles, and looking back on it, it really is just bizarre that we're just supposed to hate/fear this guy for the evil plan he's unleashing. what's that evil plan? to give everybody superpowers, apparently. why is that a bad thing? syndrome nor anyone else in the movie elaborates any further. it's kind of funny cause when i saw it the first time, i feel like my mind kind of filled in the blanks, and rationalized that this must be a bad thing because everyone having superpowers would cause havoc and chaos. but i rewatched that scene with syndrome laying out his plan and as mentioned, he doesn't bother clarifying it whatsoever. just thought that was kinda funny
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Mr Interweb posted:so random thought i had. you know how it's been en vogue in recent years to have sympathetic villains that seemed to have legitimate gripes but we the audience are to still think they're evil cause they're supposed to be the bad guys(killmonger, the flagsmashers, etc.)? well i was thinking about that issue with Syndrome from the Incredibles, and looking back on it, it really is just bizarre that we're just supposed to hate/fear this guy for the evil plan he's unleashing. what's that evil plan? to give everybody superpowers, apparently. why is that a bad thing? syndrome nor anyone else in the movie elaborates any further. it's kind of funny cause when i saw it the first time, i feel like my mind kind of filled in the blanks, and rationalized that this must be a bad thing because everyone having superpowers would cause havoc and chaos. but i rewatched that scene with syndrome laying out his plan and as mentioned, he doesn't bother clarifying it whatsoever. It makes sense when you learn that the director likes Ayn Rand/Libertarianism.
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Mr Interweb posted:so random thought i had. you know how it's been en vogue in recent years to have sympathetic villains that seemed to have legitimate gripes but we the audience are to still think they're evil cause they're supposed to be the bad guys(killmonger, the flagsmashers, etc.)? well i was thinking about that issue with Syndrome from the Incredibles, and looking back on it, it really is just bizarre that we're just supposed to hate/fear this guy for the evil plan he's unleashing. what's that evil plan? to give everybody superpowers, apparently. why is that a bad thing? syndrome nor anyone else in the movie elaborates any further. it's kind of funny cause when i saw it the first time, i feel like my mind kind of filled in the blanks, and rationalized that this must be a bad thing because everyone having superpowers would cause havoc and chaos. but i rewatched that scene with syndrome laying out his plan and as mentioned, he doesn't bother clarifying it whatsoever. I mean in the movie he was killing the legitimate heroes so that he could look better in comparison, that's pretty evil.
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I don't think Brad Bird is an objectivist or libertarian (according to Wikipedia the most he's ever said about politics is typical weasel wordy "I don't really pick either side" in an interview), I think he's just a version of the Zen Pencils guy with actual talent who was always having his creativity get repressed and probably pressured to go into STEM, so he has a chip on his shoulder about the uncreative masses who don't really get art. He's not really wrong tbh normies have the worst taste.
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And he was also at least heavily implied to already be a more conventional arms dealer even before his big motive rant, IIRC?
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mycot posted:I mean in the movie he was killing the legitimate heroes so that he could look better in comparison, that's pretty evil. He was also clearly willing to put regular people in harms way for this goal with unleashing the robot into the city. And his thing about everyone being super so no one will be, that involves A) waiting until he's old and had his fun being the only superhero and B) he's not even giving away super powers, he's going to sell his inventions that he uses to pretend to be super, which would probably end up only going to the rich and people who want to make weapons for war. His whole plan is completely selfish and he puts people in harms way at every step of it Also he loses control of his giant robot IMMEDIATELY Regalingualius posted:And he was also at least heavily implied to already be a more conventional arms dealer even before his big motive rant, IIRC? He basically says that but at the end of his rant, yeah Macaluso fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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mycot posted:I mean in the movie he was killing the legitimate heroes so that he could look better in comparison, that's pretty evil. i should have mentioned that part, but yeah, i didn't say he wasn't evil, he absolutely was. however, he wasn't evil for the plan he laid out
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Mr Interweb posted:i should have mentioned that part, but yeah, i didn't say he wasn't evil, he absolutely was. however, he wasn't evil for the plan he laid out Well sure, lots of evil plans and crims look less bad when you take out the death and profiteering from them.
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Mr Interweb posted:so random thought i had. you know how it's been en vogue in recent years to have sympathetic villains that seemed to have legitimate gripes but we the audience are to still think they're evil cause they're supposed to be the bad guys(killmonger, the flagsmashers, etc.)? well i was thinking about that issue with Syndrome from the Incredibles, and looking back on it, it really is just bizarre that we're just supposed to hate/fear this guy for the evil plan he's unleashing. what's that evil plan? to give everybody superpowers, apparently. why is that a bad thing? syndrome nor anyone else in the movie elaborates any further. it's kind of funny cause when i saw it the first time, i feel like my mind kind of filled in the blanks, and rationalized that this must be a bad thing because everyone having superpowers would cause havoc and chaos. but i rewatched that scene with syndrome laying out his plan and as mentioned, he doesn't bother clarifying it whatsoever. His plan was never to give people super powers, if that was his plan he would have just done it. His plan was to get revenge on all super heroes because one rejected him. This revenge plan, and that's all it ever was a revenge plan, had multiple steps. 1 Kill a poo poo ton of super heroes 2 Kill the one super hero who rejected him 3 Use his gadgets and engineered attacks so only he got to be a super hero 4 And then when he was too old to do it any more sell his gadgets so heroes were no longer unique. Step 4 wasn't the plan, it was simply the final gently caress you. That's why we are meant to think to think his plan is evil, because murdering a bunch of good people, and risking the lives of entire cities just to get petty revenge is an evil plan.
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mycot posted:I don't think Brad Bird is an objectivist or libertarian (according to Wikipedia the most he's ever said about politics is typical weasel wordy "I don't really pick either side" in an interview), I think he's just a version of the Zen Pencils guy with actual talent who was always having his creativity get repressed and probably pressured to go into STEM, so he has a chip on his shoulder about the uncreative masses who don't really get art. He's not really wrong tbh normies have the worst taste. Of course, The Incredibles is actually pretty clear that "the masses" actually love genuine heroes and are happy to see them excel as long as they're using their gifts thoughtfully.
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Syndrome is a bad person because he kills people and was trying to do heavy damage to the world with his robots for the sake of gaslighting the world into seeing him as a hero. Having some kind of sympathetic philosophy to button that up with gives him depth, but it doesn't justify all the murder and destruction. Giving sympathetic justifications to villains is great for giving them depth as characters, but it doesn't invalidate the whole villain part. Later Disney at some point went overboard with this and stopped having authentic plain evil villains. You can definitely read a kinda gross moral into The Incredibles from Syndrome's speech and Dash's school experience, but Dash is just a side character. The movie is more supposed to be about Mr. Incredible's midlife crisis and Mrs.Incredible trying to save her family. Incredibles 2 is harder to get any kind of philosophical message from. I guess Ratatouille has some kind of great man theory? Maybe it's just easy to fall into weird morals like this if you're not particularly politically/philosophically motivated and you're just trying to work backwards from the type of story you're trying to make. A lot of superhero stories can end up with weird messages from fumbling around with the idea of superheroes but not intentionally connecting superheroes to any actually real issues, so when they accidentally do hit on real things, they end up hitting things at weird angles. Marvel's Civil War event back in the day ended up as apparently an argument against gun control.
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Rand Brittain posted:Of course, The Incredibles is actually pretty clear that "the masses" actually love genuine heroes and are happy to see them excel as long as they're using their gifts thoughtfully. Shame the sequel immediately shat all over that so that they could just reuse the first movie's plot beats all over again but executed incompetently
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Mister Incredible, watching in horror as he sees that most if not all of his friends and colleagues were brutally murdered to fine-tune Syndrome's killer robots. Goons: this is a victory for The Masses.
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Brad Bird often brings a motif to his work about how great talent can be alienating; if you interpret the characters as representative of some elite class, that idea takes on some unpleasant political connotations. But he just as often tends to consider and attempt to repudiate that idea in the works themselves, saying: talented people aren't a class, and those who try to treat them like one are the villains or at best misguided. "Anyone can cook," and so forth.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Incredibles 2 is harder to get any kind of philosophical message from. I vaguely recall it introducing the issue that supers are constantly being filmed and scrutinized out of context?
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I liked the bigger Elastigirl focus, and her friendship-turned-not-friendship with Evelyn.
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I still say with The Incredibles that the political angle, if you choose to take one, can be read a few ways. It's entirely possibly to do a socialist reading, where the superheroes were a social safety net that was destroyed because of pettiness and greed. Hell, you even have people who LOVE protecting and aiding others explicitly forced into exploiting and abusing them for the profit of their bosses, and a government that's explicitly monitoring and controlling the movements and behaviour of a minority seemingly paying no attention to their systematic extermination. (Though I'd say only the former is deliberate) Syndrome is talking about explicitly replacing it with a private sector solution where he hoards resources to himself and uses them to control the narrative and take credit for only solving 'problems' he himself creates- while clearly having absolutely no thought for actually solving any real problems.
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The bad guys in both The Incredibles are genius billionaire tech giants and the good guys work with the government. That doesn't seem very Randian.
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Apparently the Tiny Toons reboot is still happening: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z0orWhP8HXw
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Mr Interweb posted:so random thought i had. you know how it's been en vogue in recent years to have sympathetic villains that seemed to have legitimate gripes but we the audience are to still think they're evil cause they're supposed to be the bad guys(killmonger, the flagsmashers, etc.)? well i was thinking about that issue with Syndrome from the Incredibles, and looking back on it, it really is just bizarre that we're just supposed to hate/fear this guy for the evil plan he's unleashing. what's that evil plan? to give everybody superpowers, apparently. why is that a bad thing? syndrome nor anyone else in the movie elaborates any further. it's kind of funny cause when i saw it the first time, i feel like my mind kind of filled in the blanks, and rationalized that this must be a bad thing because everyone having superpowers would cause havoc and chaos. but i rewatched that scene with syndrome laying out his plan and as mentioned, he doesn't bother clarifying it whatsoever. People are right that Syndrome's an amoral arms dealer, but that's just set dressing for the actual gripe the movie takes with his plan, which is that it makes Special People no longer special and redistributes their deserved rewards to the unworthy masses. This is a core theme of the movie - bureaucratic leeches force Bob into an office job despite his amazing talents, Dash isn't allowed to compete in school sports using his super-speed, etc. The Parrs are more remarkable than ordinary people and the position of the movie is that they should therefore be allowed to rise to the top of society, but are being suppressed by government overreach. It is extremely Randian on a thematic level even if it gussies up its villain by having him kick some puppies on the way to enacting his plan. Killmonger's actually a pretty good comparison - he has this reasonable social complaint that motivates his actions and the movie's like "but this guy is bad and black radicalism is scary, so he's also a murderer".
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I don't think that's true of Incredibles 2, though, as other people have pointed out. Insofar as that movie has political themes it's like, "girls can get it" and "big tech is pretty scary". It's much more of a superhero genre story, and Evelyn's backstory is not trying to make any socio-political point at all, it's just the classic, "Batman was indirectly involved with a bad thing that happened in my life so now I hate Batman!".
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Android Blues posted:I don't think that's true of Incredibles 2, though, as other people have pointed out. Insofar as that movie has political themes it's like, "girls can get it" and "big tech is pretty scary". It's much more of a superhero genre story, and Evelyn's backstory is not trying to make any socio-political point at all, it's just the classic, "Batman was indirectly involved with a bad thing that happened in my life so now I hate Batman!". Yeah and that's why nobody talks about The Incredibles 2. The weird and interesting themes gave 1 some spice.
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Except that the ending of Incredibles isn't "Dash finally uses his super-speed to become the god of middle school track"; it's "Dash realizes that he's more interested in participating than winning and decides to come in second."
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Also Dash isn't the main character. He's not even very far up on the characters that are prominent in the movie, he gets like two main character beats, Violet has the more complex arc, but the parents are the focus. You could also argue that the main arc of the movie is Bob learning to let others into his superheroing life, that Syndrome turning out rotten was his fault, and Syndrome's fuckup at the beginning was more out of eagerness to get around Bob's rejection. Mr.Incredible loved superheroing, but he loved it for himself, not for working with others. In the first half of movie he's selfishly trying to relive old times, and then one big inflection point of the movie is where he agrees to let his wife and kids help save the world instead of doing it on his own. But the problem with trying to pin down themes in movies like this is that they aren't very ideologically motivated, the movies aren't really focused on delivering a specific moral. Without a thesis statement to actually hit the nail on the head, these things are left much more up to interpretation, which isn't really a bad thing, but it does mean that there's not really a specific message being delivered. ("death of the author" interpretations don't care about whether a message is intentionally being delivered, but that's a different concept that relies on the subjectivity of interpretation). Wall-E has stronger messages about pollution bad and how people can just ignore it and be stuck in their own little world, but that's mostly just in the first half hour, and the rest is more action and character stuff (I guess also Reagan sucks). Up probably has the strongest message of a;; the Pixar movies, since the first bit is all about how life can waste away without ever doing anything, and then it finishes on "actually even if you never reach your ultimate dreams, all the things along the way are still worthwhile". I know that Incredibles 2 had additional subplots that might've fleshed out more of the themes of the movie, but I don't remember them ever connecting back to Helen's plot. No idea what Bob was doing. I assume that Violet had a plot about that crush she had in the first movie just because that seems like a basic followup? Dash continued to exist? Jack-jack...was still a baby, I think he gets kidnapped at some point?
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