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Son of Thunderbeast posted:It sounds weird because they're trying to avoid saying concentration camps.
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Yeah it's not even subtle. The same kind of concentration camp used in the Boer War and the Philippine–American War.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68534370
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If you have a tolerance for terrible graphic design, here is an overview of the Joint Logistics Over-The-Shore system.
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Rebel Blob posted:If you have a tolerance for terrible graphic design, here is an overview of the Joint Logistics Over-The-Shore system. I love military slides because they make looking at other scientists' presentations feel like an absolute loving treat by comparison. It's stunning how bad every slide deck made by defense people I've ever seen is.
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist. But this is such a godawful, convoluted way of getting aid in when there is a land border easily traversable by vehicles. The only possible reason you could argue for this is that Israel will try to offshore responsibility for searches etc to the US (another cost centre gone). The US could simply tell Israel: "open Rafah for aid". It's such a stupid approach that it really opens the mind up to "it's about the offshore gas" stuff, at least in part.
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I saw on the news one tiny boat is tugging a tiny little barge of aid towards the Gaza coast and should, um, dock or beach I guess shortly Edit: it's from Cyprus, 200 tonnes, so gently caress all really https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/13/ship-carrying-aid-gaza-to-reach-shore-thursday-morning klen dool fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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klen dool posted:I saw on the news one tiny boat is tugging a tiny little barge of aid towards the Gaza coast and should, um, dock or beach I guess shortly Looking forward to this boat being declared a Hamas base.
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After the 2010 flotilla raid I can understand people being hesitant about trying to ship in aid. If it goes through we may see an uptick but I personally expect Israel to storm the ship and hold the people involved so that no-one else tries to follow their lead. I’d expect non-lethal force as they really don’t want to gently caress up their PR any more at the moment but who knows with Israel.
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The reason Israel and the US are likely doing this convoluted port thing is not because of what the US can bring in but that it provides a way to move the Palestinians out without displacing them into Egypt.
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BTW about a week ago some USS professor of statistics criticised the Gaza health ministry casualty numbers. I remember seeing links to some pushback and criticism to this claim from other statisticians but can’t see anything now, all the Google searches only bring up info on the original claim, not the rebuttals. Does anyone have links to these?
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Argas posted:They could just say boncentration bamps and Biden would believe it. They're not concentration camps obviously, they're just humanitarian villages where we will densify the Palestinian population. Very different.
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team overhead smash posted:BTW about a week ago some USS professor of statistics criticised the Gaza health ministry casualty numbers. I remember seeing links to some pushback and criticism to this claim from other statisticians but can’t see anything now, all the Google searches only bring up info on the original claim, not the rebuttals. Does anyone have links to these? https://www.mekomit.co.il/%d7%94%d7...3-%d7%94%d7%91/ Israeli Hebrew source but basically the IDF checked the numbers and they're right. At this point it's probably a major undercount because the health ministry and hospitals are destroyed
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This is completely, comically wrong by the way. The US system is basically just an anchored pontoon pier out to deep water. It's all roll on roll off so you don't need to try and move containers with a floating crane. we even got an actual picture of the existing system deployed.
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Barrel Cactaur posted:This is completely, comically wrong by the way. The US system is basically just an anchored pontoon pier out to deep water. It's all roll on roll off so you don't need to try and move containers with a floating crane. we even got an actual picture of the existing system deployed. I could be wrong, but I heard something about it could be up to 60 days before this temporary port is operational? Not to be a doomer about it, any aid is good and all, but I can't help but wonder if it is too little/too late? By the time they get it up will there really be anyone left to aid?
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They don't care. If they cared they'd stop the genocide. This is just a PR stunt. We're not doing a genocide because we're gonna send a bunch of aid - eventually. No we're not gonna stop the bombings etc.
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dweepus posted:I could be wrong, but I heard something about it could be up to 60 days before this temporary port is operational? Not to be a doomer about it, any aid is good and all, but I can't help but wonder if it is too little/too late? By the time they get it up will there really be anyone left to aid? This is a piece of elaborate theatre they're performing instead of just opening the land border crossings and letting aid trucks through. Be as doomer about it as you like.
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In actual news instead of just posting refrains of the same sentiment over and over again, Chuck Schumer is calling for new elections in Israel. Says we should potentially use the leverage of the aid we provide to force the issue. https://apnews.com/article/schumer-netanyahu-israel-palestinians-elections-1ebf21e4c9c0f6f42478bb26e1db7a9b
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team overhead smash posted:BTW about a week ago some USS professor of statistics criticised the Gaza health ministry casualty numbers. I remember seeing links to some pushback and criticism to this claim from other statisticians but can’t see anything now, all the Google searches only bring up info on the original claim, not the rebuttals. Does anyone have links to these? I guess it’s fine for someone to look into that, but even Israel and Bibi’s official stance agrees with the Gazan-reported death numbers: https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...e%20Biden%20has He says 13,000 men were killed in Gaza, at a 1:1 to 1:1.5 ratio with women and children killed, so even Israel is saying 26,000 to 33,000 deaths in Gaza. I mean it’s full of poo poo since (a) it considers all males aged 14-99 to be terrorists, and (b) potentially the ratio of men:women+children could be higher than 1:1.5, but the total numbers match what the Gazans are reporting.
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dweepus posted:I could be wrong, but I heard something about it could be up to 60 days before this temporary port is operational? Not to be a doomer about it, any aid is good and all, but I can't help but wonder if it is too little/too late? By the time they get it up will there really be anyone left to aid? quote:“We expect the pier to be fully operational in approximately 60 days, which will be able to facilitate the delivery of up to 2 million meals daily,” [Air Force Maj. Gen.] Ryder said. quote:In the meantime, the U.S. is continuing to air drop aid into Gaza. Another joint mission with Royal Jordanian Air Force on Tuesday delivered 5,000 meals, Ryder said, bringing the total from U.S. airdrops to more than 204,000 meals, 48,000 bottles of water and more than 5,000 of other food.
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team overhead smash posted:After the 2010 flotilla raid I can understand people being hesitant about trying to ship in aid. If it goes through we may see an uptick but I personally expect Israel to storm the ship and hold the people involved so that no-one else tries to follow their lead. I’d expect non-lethal force as they really don’t want to gently caress up their PR any more at the moment but who knows with Israel. freedom flotilla efforts have been pretty regular stunts. to my knowledge israel hasn't killed a bunch of people in any of them since mavi marmara, but the people crewing those flotillas tend to get detained and roughed up a bit, and the boats confiscated. it's an expensive and rather difficult mode of activism but people have been doing them on and off regardless
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Kagrenak posted:In actual news instead of just posting refrains of the same sentiment over and over again, Chuck Schumer is calling for new elections in Israel. Says we should potentially use the leverage of the aid we provide to force the issue. Honestly if he can push on this it could be extremely significant. Depends on whether he can persuade Biden to stop looking sad while doing nothing, though.
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Rebel Blob posted:60 days is the timeline the US military is saying. And they still have to distribute the aid from the port, which means it's gonna get like 3 blocks away from the port and then Israel is going to bomb the poo poo out of it.
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Rebel Blob posted:60 days is the timeline the US military is saying. World Central Kitchen on the other hand has already sent a ship with 200 tons of food that should be there in a few days. https://www.npr.org/2024/03/14/1238355996/gaza-aid-ship-world-central-kitchen I am...I guess cautiously optimistic about this project? From what little research I've done World Central Kitchen has done some incredible work in the past under extreme circumstances. According to the article they've built a temporary Jetty that should let them start delivering aid as soon as they land. They're a non-profit so unlike the US Government they don't have to do the whole rules lawyer thing where they have to not technically have boots on the ground with a floating pier I guess. PostNouveau posted:And they still have to distribute the aid from the port, which means it's gonna get like 3 blocks away from the port and then Israel is going to bomb the poo poo out of it. This, unfortunately, is the real problem they'll face once the aid gets there. No matter how much aid is sent it doesn't matter if the aid keeps getting bombed by the bomb the US keeps giving Israel which is why we should probably stop giving them bombs to fire at civilians and non-profit organizations.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:This, unfortunately, is the real problem they'll face once the aid gets there. Are the roads still functional? Is anyone willing to try it even? Seems like certain death to try and truck aid from this port to any besieged section of Gaza.
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They only just started recently delivering aid to the North after Israel shelled the convoy
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PostNouveau posted:Are the roads still functional? Is anyone willing to try it even? Seems like certain death to try and truck aid from this port to any besieged section of Gaza. I don't know, World Central Kitchen is a nonprofit that mostly does hurricane relief so they're used to working in places with severally damaged infrastructure. If it was just a matter of the roads being non-functional that shouldn't be an insurmountable problem. The possibility of Israel bombing them is the real concern here.
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Omoly, thanks for that article: it goes into a bit more detail on the jetty than the other one I saw (and I think posted?) earlier. If that can reliably be used for throughput by NGOs, or even just the one, then great. The fact that they have existing presence on the ground was in the other article and is heartening.
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team overhead smash posted:BTW about a week ago some USS professor of statistics criticised the Gaza health ministry casualty numbers. I remember seeing links to some pushback and criticism to this claim from other statisticians but can’t see anything now, all the Google searches only bring up info on the original claim, not the rebuttals. Does anyone have links to these? Yeah. It was a shameless piece and little more than misleading propaganda. It's deliberate statistical abuse. This post directly addresses his plots: https://liorpachter.wordpress.com/2024/03/08/a-note-on-how-the-gaza-ministry-of-health-fakes-casualty-numbers/ There's a bunch of other stuff out there about other issues he has (eg on assumptions about other conflicts, on assumptions about how data is collected in warzones). It's *genuinely* embarrassing stuff. I've seen people on Data Science courses at General Assembly present better cases.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:The reason Israel and the US are likely doing this convoluted port thing is not because of what the US can bring in but that it provides a way to move the Palestinians out without displacing them into Egypt. Where, exactly, in your theory, are they going to move these Palestinians out *to* Madagascar again?
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Rust Martialis posted:Where, exactly, in your theory, are they going to move these Palestinians out *to* https://newrepublic.com/post/177837/report-israel-expel-palestinians-gaza-third-country-congo Is the Madagascar line an attempt at humor? It’s not a good one.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:https://newrepublic.com/post/177837/report-israel-expel-palestinians-gaza-third-country-congo Biden has consistently pushed back against Netanyahu's public desire to govern/take over Gaza. Stop trying to start a conspiracy about how this aid port thing is actually going to be used to help Israel to do exactly that Kalit fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Kalit posted:Biden has consistently stated that he’s not going to allow Israel to govern/take over Gaza. Stop trying to start a conspiracy about how this aid port thing is actually going to be used to help Israel to do exactly that No, because he's given us no reason to trust his courage or conviction in preventing the mass expulsion of Gazans.
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Kalit posted:Biden has consistently stated that he’s not going to allow Israel to take over Gaza. quote:Israeli officials have made it increasingly clear in recent days that their plan is to completely eliminate Palestine. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said Monday that a way to solve the war was to “encourage the voluntary migration of Gaza’s residents to countries that will agree to take in the refugees.” While it's not official Israeli policy, there's clearly significant support for "encouraging the migration" of Gazans. I'm sure the wholesale bombing and murder is great encouragement in itself. Anyway, this is something that's clearly in the cards for Israelis. Why is Biden saying he's not going to allow that to happen at all credible? We've been down this road of the administration's red lines and the like, and they've shown zero interest in following through with any consequences whatsoever for the Israelis.
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cat botherer posted:From the article: I edited my post to be more accurate, sorry about that. My point is trying to claim that Biden is likely to use this aid port to help Netanyahu achieve his desire of taking over Gaza is a wild conspiracy. Based on Biden's consistent pushback against said desire.
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Kalit posted:I edited my post to be more accurate, sorry about that. Darth Walrus posted:No, because he's given us no reason to trust his courage or conviction in preventing the mass expulsion of Gazans.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:By pushback do you mean his many empty words, or the many arms shipments to Israel? Is your point that he’s inconsistent in sending arms to Israel to try to eliminate Hamas but doesn’t want them to govern Gaza? Because while I wildly disagree with selling Israel arms, that’s still a consistent thought process, IMO If your point is something else, I have no idea what you’re getting at World Famous W posted:even with your edit, this still stands Preventing something from occurring and directing the US military to directly carry out an order using US equipment are wildly different things
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