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is a 5600g and a 5600u the same or similar chip, just with a different form factor and slightly more power optimized like all laptop parts, or is it totally different?
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May 29, 2022 06:03
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They are very similar, except that the 5600G is allowed to user over 3x as much power, which will give it a lot more performance, obviously.
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May 29, 2022 06:09
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Agreed posted:RGB is also fine and there's absolutely no moral point at all to stand on one way or another here to insult people over. It's just personal preference. SwissArmyDruid posted:RGB is a blight and can actually harm your system at a hardware level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnST5rA64Oc RGB has pulled back somewhat from the heights of its madness, whether directly or indirectly because of the silicon shortage and The 'Rona, but there is an insane product manager chained up in Corsair's basement slavering and howling about "RGB m.2 SSDs" and if they get loose, it will be the end for all of us. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 29, 2022 |
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May 29, 2022 06:32
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I can get behind avoiding overheating bullshit hardware, but RGB fans aren't hurting anybody and if you care a lot about other people using them, try not to 
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May 29, 2022 06:42
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Is it right that: 1. Ryzen 5500 is only PCIe 3, and so is 5600G, and so are the new 4000 series 2. Ryzen 5600 non-X is PCIe 4 3. But if I have a B350 board then it doesn't matter because B350 is only PCIE 3
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May 29, 2022 06:42
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K8.0 posted:When even old geezers on somethingawful are defending RGB, there is truly no hope for the world. Aliens please come wipe us out, we deserve it. The only thing worse than RGB is alienware.
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May 29, 2022 06:53
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gradenko_2000 posted:Is it right that: As far as that goes, yes. However, everything below the 5600 non-X (including the 5600G) also has cut down L3 cache, which is probably more important than the PCIe 4 support.
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May 29, 2022 06:59
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Eyes Only posted:The only thing worse than RGB is alienware. alienware makes legitimately good monitors though
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May 29, 2022 07:45
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I have been saying in this thread for years that RGB lighting seems very juvenile and I have always found it very weird how grown adults go ga-ga for it. Why colored lights specifically? It's just bizarre and strange. By all means go ahead, don't let me tell you what to do though. It's your life 
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May 29, 2022 08:35
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Inept posted:same reason people made fun of that goon's doom bathroom My RGB setup is set optimally to entice the ladies
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May 29, 2022 08:36
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Agreed posted:Juvenile, weird, bizarre and strange? Most humans have color vision, and liking colorful poo poo is not juvenile. The tech to do this in the first place has only gotten really good in recent memory - when I was younger people were already trying to ornament their cases, though, with cold cathode tubes and other lighting sources. As the tech to control RGB has improved it doesn't surprise me at all that people like building with and using it - it's colorful, to me it looks neat. Simple as that. I don't understand why it elicits a reaction from anyone else, why does anyone care? Exactly. I'm not really "into" RGB, but since some of my parts have it, I simply set it so the colors indicate processor temperature range, while the GPU's RGB indicates the GPU temperature range. To me it's just a fun little observation while using it.
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May 29, 2022 09:37
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Agreed posted:Juvenile, weird, bizarre and strange? Most humans have color vision, and liking colorful poo poo is not juvenile. The tech to do this in the first place has only gotten really good in recent memory - when I was younger people were already trying to ornament their cases, though, with cold cathode tubes and other lighting sources. As the tech to control RGB has improved it doesn't surprise me at all that people like building with and using it - it's colorful, to me it looks neat. Simple as that. I don't understand why it elicits a reaction from anyone else, why does anyone care? Your room looks like a pride parade, doesn't it
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May 29, 2022 10:32
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My wife asked "why does your computer have a rainbow coming out of it" and for the life of me I couldn't think of a good answer
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May 29, 2022 10:43
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gradenko_2000 posted:My wife asked "why does your computer have a rainbow coming out of it" and for the life of me I couldn't think of a good answer The correct answer is 'why doesn't yours?' I'm past the bit of my life where I cared about other people liking things. The only issue I have with the RGB fad is that it's bent the market so that it's actually sometimes difficult to find something that's just plain and doesn't light up, and cases all assume I want a window on the side for some reason.
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May 29, 2022 11:03
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i hate rgb, but I kinda like having the visual feedback of a window pane. it’s a nice middle ground, but more hardware switches to turn off rgb wouldn’t be the worst either figuring out what your fans are doing in a black box is such a pain kliras fucked around with this message at 13:32 on May 29, 2022 |
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May 29, 2022 11:25
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Your room looks like a pride parade, doesn't it Alchenar posted:The correct answer is 'why doesn't yours?'
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May 29, 2022 11:46
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I’ve never had issues finding non-RGB parts even in the peak of the fad, seems a bit overblown The Alienware OLED I bought recently has a pretty bland design and the lighting can be turned off with a single option
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May 29, 2022 12:18
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style is subjective and we love to pretend what we do is "normal" and what someone else does is gaudy. like, gamer black and red are a fashion statement. plain black boxes are a fashion statement. beige mid 2000s function is a fashion statement. they'll all look ridiculous to someone and I quantifiably assure you if you post any, literally any, computer I can find silly aesthetic solutions designed to signal this or the other and personalize their expensive toy as they like it. and I aint give a gently caress lol I dragged my VERY homophobic friend teenaged friend group out to Pride because our gay friend was going to be there so his friends were going to be there. Im very confident in my sexuality and I guess it doesn't bother me?
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May 29, 2022 13:27
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in this life I have found it desirable to develop a high unicorn tolerance, even if you are a goth
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May 29, 2022 13:28
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rgb also appears to be getting a lot better so the lighting quality isn’t as horrendous as it used to be pure white lighting looks pretty neat, assuming the lights are decent quality, which still technically falls under “rgb” firmware being little more than malware, and the hardware aspect being a total hassle haven’t changed at all though
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May 29, 2022 13:36
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kliras posted:rgb also appears to be getting a lot better so the lighting quality isn’t as horrendous as it used to be That's 99% of the justified beef with RGB. Nobody would complain if there is an easy and foolproof way to control those lights, especially at the "SHUT THE FUCKERS OFF" aspect of it.
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May 29, 2022 13:45
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Nothing is worse than the people who sit their case on the desk, angled like a second monitor, so they can look at the lovely RGB and fans spinning.
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https://i.imgur.com/FP79bHT.mp4
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May 29, 2022 16:56
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I see lots of cool scifi poo poo in scifi movies. RGB allows the consumer to have a tiny slice of that scifi dream in their life. I thought I'd never get rgb. I even bought a case without a window. Then one day I thought hmm how it would look like with a window? Then welp..
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May 29, 2022 17:15
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Your room looks like a pride parade, doesn't it Why would you care? Is it any of your business? For that matter, whatcha got against pride parades, poster? 
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May 29, 2022 17:41
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The problem with rgb as was said above is that its forced on everything, has no standards, the firmware and software to manage it are gaping security holes and malware and they've been known yo physically short other components. So yes the colors are fine if not gaudy and obnoxious, its the other bullshit that's objectively bad.
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May 29, 2022 17:55
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My meshify compact has a tinted glass panel, I kinda like it because at least I can see the FE cooler which is a neat looking thing and also the B R O W N D15. I did turn off the RGB on the motherboard tho as it was a bit distracting. I do like seeing all those fancy RGB builds tho idk if I could live with it myself. The software hassle and also all the extra wiring for fans is a bit too much effort for me. I think the software part is the most annoying, my old GPU was a ROG Strix one and the default RGB setup was constantly pulsing red. So I thought ‘oh I’ll just install the software turn the rgb off and then remove it’ Turns out you needed the rgb software installed to keep the rgb off ffs.
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May 29, 2022 18:08
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just finished setting up my new case, and for some reason, my memory sticks are running some awful pulsating thing that i'm sure would look great if i had four sticks instead of just two that just look out of sync i want to download some firmware to disable it, but then i remember that time when the hack that is writing rgb settings to ram spd could also end up bricking it so i think i'll just chill and watch the fireworks for the night also my gpu's green now which is fine i guess, as it's an old 1070 that didn't have the rtx feature of rgb animation yet i'd hope the rgb buttons on the case plugged into the motherboard could send a simple "just do a simple solid colour" signal, but i guess it has to be fluent in each of the rgb languages of all my three component manufacturers
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May 29, 2022 18:14
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kliras posted:just finished setting up my new case, and for some reason, my memory sticks are running some awful pulsating thing that i'm sure would look great if i had four sticks instead of just two that just look out of sync Wow how do you gently caress up reading from SMBus, it’s just i2c quote:I believe the problem is that ASUS AURA and AI Suite access the SMB Bus without using the proper interlocks to avoid bus access conflicts. ASUS AURA and AI Suite have been causing conflicts with Corsair Link, HWINFO, CPUZ, SIV, and other sensor monitoring utilities for years. These programs all use the proper interlock mutexes but ASUS does not as their program developers seem to assume that they are the only ones accessing the SMB Bus. …that’ll do it
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May 29, 2022 19:04
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The "what do we do with the summer intern?" school of program design.
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v1ld posted:The "what do we do with the summer intern?" school of program design. normally we tell them to shred paper
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Palladium posted:normally we tell them to shred paper Hah. Back in the bad old days I remember asking one to upgrade the switch firmware because I didn't want to crawl around in the closet. He didn't seem to mind because he joined us when he graduated. But that's not true at my current firm where we spend lots of time making sure they are treated well and have significant stuff to work on with adequate supervision and help. Everyone, no matter how senior, is encouraged to never postpone an intern meeting - we want them to join when they graduate. Whoever coded that Asus app seemed confident they wouldn't have to deal with the consequences. Or maybe there are none at Asus.
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I'm still thinking of getting a 5800x3D, but the price cuts on the 5950 have made me question it just a bit. Going to 8 cores feels sufficient, and the only thing I really need horsepower for is games, but the 5950 looks tempting at these discounts. I feel like a 16 core is going to be even harder to cool than the apparently hot 5800x3D, though - does that sound right?
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I'm still thinking of getting a 5800x3D, but the price cuts on the 5950 have made me question it just a bit. Going to 8 cores feels sufficient, and the only thing I really need horsepower for is games, but the 5950 looks tempting at these discounts. I feel like a 16 core is going to be even harder to cool than the apparently hot 5800x3D, though - does that sound right? Yeah, I'd say a move from another 6 or 8 core to a 5800X3D isn't a bad idea if you can afford it, but a 5950 is going to be a whole evaluation of if your cooling, power supply, and use case has it make sense. In most cases the 5800X3D is going to be a more sensible chip. I'm slightly tempted to swap my 5800X for one but I've only had it 6 months and so far it's been fine for what I do.
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The challenge of cooling the 5700/5800 variants is that the heat is concentrated in a single chiplet of 8 cores, the 5950 was historically much easier to cool - it can't draw twice the power, but has two chiplets with 8 cores each, and was originally suspected to be better binned too. Worst case (all the power limit focused on the 8 cores in one chiplet) it shouldn't be on par at least.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I'm still thinking of getting a 5800x3D, but the price cuts on the 5950 have made me question it just a bit. Going to 8 cores feels sufficient, and the only thing I really need horsepower for is games, but the 5950 looks tempting at these discounts. I feel like a 16 core is going to be even harder to cool than the apparently hot 5800x3D, though - does that sound right? The chiplet design makes it harder to transfer heat away from the die so temps are higher than people are used to for a given wattage. If you're only upgrading for games, X3D is the obvious pick. Arzachel fucked around with this message at 21:38 on May 29, 2022 |
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Rexxed posted:Yeah, I'd say a move from another 6 or 8 core to a 5800X3D isn't a bad idea if you can afford it, but a 5950 is going to be a whole evaluation of if your cooling, power supply, and use case has it make sense. In most cases the 5800X3D is going to be a more sensible chip. I'm slightly tempted to swap my 5800X for one but I've only had it 6 months and so far it's been fine for what I do. I have a feeling that if I find a 5800x3d in stock it's going to upgrade my 5800x as well 
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orcane posted:The challenge of cooling the 5700/5800 variants is that the heat is concentrated in a single chiplet of 8 cores, the 5950 was historically much easier to cool - it can't draw twice the power, but has two chiplets with 8 cores each, and was originally suspected to be better binned too. Worst case (all the power limit focused on the 8 cores in one chiplet) it shouldn't be on par at least. While 140W is the default, it can go much, much higher. The “can’t draw twice the power” isn’t actually true. With a good board and uncapped PBO settings 5950x users report 240W in prime95 small FFT which should give an absolute upper bound. My 5800x3d can hit 120W in the same test. I guess technically that’s more than double because the io die is like max 20W on both? However games use a smaller number of threads, and if those threads are spread across two CCDs that means cooling can be easier for the same power. That’s part of why the 2ccd CPUs can realistically stay above 5GHz.
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