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Geirskogul posted:Vehicles of old only lasted longer than the warranty because we didn't know enough about metallurgy and engineering enough to design otherwise, so it was safer to overbuild than of underbuild. The moment science and technology advanced to the level that we could plan head like we do now, we changed the design process. And yet I can find a soild chassis for a 1920 Ford easier than I could find an 70ish Japanese car in a condition I would consider road worthy. :mild hyperbole: Yeah they used to over engineer the gently caress out of stuff but it's better than designing something to the point where it will break just after the warranty expires. And yeah I know it has a bunch to do with modern unibody construction and the fact that we need to keep emissions down, and weight is a large component of that. But longevity really needs to start being a concept when it comes to the whole green thing.
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Planned obsolescence.
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Yeah I get those two posts, and one single point, but if they really gave a poo poo, longevity is key. :LF ramble deleted:
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All VAG products still have 12 year unlimited mileage warranties against rust though. Some carmakers still care about longevity. http://www.vw.ca/en/owners/about_your_volkswagen/warranties.html
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Throatwarbler posted:All VAG products still have 12 year unlimited mileage warranties against rust though. Some carmakers still care about longevity. Too bad VAG doesn't care about greenhouse gasses. I guess that'll be their defense at the trials, "Our cars will at least keep polluting into the future!" Keep rockin that custom title. DiggityDoink fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Jan 18, 2016 10:53
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10+ year rust warranties usually have some fine print, though, that says something like "surface rust not counted." I've always seen it as a bit of a scam. What are you going to do? Let your ride rust for a decade in order to maybe possibly get a warranty repair, alternatively be stuck with a Swiss cheese vehicle, or actually do something to prevent/fix it in the meantime. Not to mention places where mandatory inspections will take a car off the road before the rust is bad enough for the warranty to kick in. I use it as a gauge for how well things are protected from the factory, but I'll put zero faith in it otherwise.
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Geirskogul posted:Vehicles of old only lasted longer than the warranty because we didn't know enough about metallurgy and engineering enough to design otherwise, so it was safer to overbuild than of underbuild. The moment science and technology advanced to the level that we could plan head like we do now, we changed the design process. Insert probably apocryphal tale about Henry Ford asking folks "what parts are wrecking yards full of? Kingpins? Re-engineer them to be weaker".
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Also, selection bias. Tons of old cars rusted like hell, that's why rust warranties were a competitive advantage. So out of 10, 8 are rusted to oblivion, we look at the remaining 2 and say "they sure don't build 'em like that anymore".
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Throatwarbler posted:All VAG products still have 12 year unlimited mileage warranties against rust though. Some carmakers still care about longevity. Does that warranty protect against coolant electrolysis in the ECU?
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Savington posted:Does that warranty protect against coolant electrolysis in the ECU? It's poo poo like this that makes my decision between a 2013 civic si or golf gti easy.. the golf is 5k more and will break in horrible ways I'm sure. The only thing the gold has going for it is its avaliable in auto so my wife would be more apt to drive it.
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Ola posted:Also, selection bias. Tons of old cars rusted like hell, that's why rust warranties were a competitive advantage. So out of 10, 8 are rusted to oblivion, we look at the remaining 2 and say "they sure don't build 'em like that anymore". This is true, but I can look in my garage at my two vehicles and know that the repairs my 2012 Wrangler needs right now is going to cost more than every repair and maintenance dollar that I've put into my 1966 Corvette over my 8 years of ownership.
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tater_salad posted:It's poo poo like this that makes my decision between a 2013 civic si or golf gti easy.. the golf is 5k more and will break in horrible ways I'm sure. The only thing the gold has going for it is its avaliable in auto so my wife would be more apt to drive it. If there is anything I have learned over the last few years it is that you don't want an EM chassis Honda*. 2013 is a few generations past that, but look at the honda forums for common failure points before you make that leap. * I've been watching a friend suffer through a variety of stupid repairs for stupid problems that other, older generations of Honda don't have.
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I am not familar with the EM- nomenclature other than the EM1, which was the late 96-00 civic si. I have a FA5 (07 si sedan) and it has almost 150k on it with no issues other than an AC compressor issue that I am too cheap to get properly diagnosed/fixed. The biggest issues with K-series engines arent the engines at all, its the transmissions, which are fairly fragile. Early K-series cars had lovely hydraulics which caused rough shifting/gear grinds, which destroyed the syncros in a lot of early cars. They have since updated those parts and the transmissions are more robust in the more recent K-series cars. If it was me, I would buy the newest/lowest miles 8th gen sedan you can get. I love mine.
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Geirskogul posted:Longevity doesn't make money. As much as I hate working in the rust belt, I know it brings in money. Especially exhaust work.
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xzzy posted:gently caress the rich dickholes who bought a house next to a race track and then bitched about the noise. You ruined a legendary track you jerks. I'm terrified of this happening to Bandimere here in Denver. I live 5 miles south of here, and on top fuel days I can hear the cars in my living room over my TV. Not annoying, but "wow that 3 second brrp noise every minute or so is coming clear from Bandimere".  Pre-emptive "gently caress you Rooney Valley neighborhood." I can't imagine the real estate shenanigans that got people to buy these houses, because gently caress being able to ever take a nap on a Sunday in the summer. I should go to that Red Rocks Baptist Church during Mile High Nationals just to see if the preacher has to pause during a run, and then laugh if he does. I mean, Red Rocks Amphiteater is at least over the first patch of hills, Bandimere is loving line of sight to those houses.
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LloydDobler posted:I'm terrified of this happening to Bandimere here in Denver. I live 5 miles south of here, and on top fuel days I can hear the cars in my living room over my TV. Not annoying, but "wow that 3 second brrp noise every minute or so is coming clear from Bandimere". The increased development between the two has all but eliminated it, but when I was a kid you could hear the Top Fuel / Funny Car passes at Firebird from the backyard... then on the occasion when it was actually televised live, run inside and see what you just heard thanks to the delay on cable. Captain Postal posted:Bet they had to wash the driver's seat after that Maybe after it was surgically extracted from the driver.
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I could sit outside my dad's house and hear them running at the little 1/8th mile track in kenedale (all of 5 miles away). I can't imagine how many noise complaints that track has given all the people from Arlington that were moving into that area to live in a more "rural, rustic area". 
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PaintVagrant posted:I am not familar with the EM- nomenclature other than the EM1, which was the late 96-00 civic si. I have a FA5 (07 si sedan) and it has almost 150k on it with no issues other than an AC compressor issue that I am too cheap to get properly diagnosed/fixed. I live in the north east so time is more important, poo poo rusts and is eaten by salt. I'll look for an 2011 as well, but It may be hard to find one in my mileage range, but if I can find one for around 10k I'll drive it then replace later on. tater_salad fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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This is the scariest mechanical thing Ive come across in a while. The tracks look like cooked spaghetti. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUCU2GhG8zE
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LloydDobler posted:I'm terrified of this happening to Bandimere here in Denver. I live 5 miles south of here, and on top fuel days I can hear the cars in my living room over my TV. Not annoying, but "wow that 3 second brrp noise every minute or so is coming clear from Bandimere". Little boxes made of ticky-tacky Little boxes on the hillside Little boxes all the same
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Two things unrelated to cars This is a bearing that I replaced on a 540hp electric motor for a centrifugal chiller. The motor is run off a VFD and when you don't ground it properly, current is induced in the shaft and that current goes to ground through the bearings and creates this fluting. ID of the bearing is 2.375", I don't remember the measurement on the outer race but its somewhere around 5 inches.  At a different site, I found this bearing on an air handler. Turbofucked indeed. Sorry for the short video, I saved it off my snapchat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzxC2CV_tFM
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Ola posted:Also, selection bias. Tons of old cars rusted like hell, that's why rust warranties were a competitive advantage. So out of 10, 8 are rusted to oblivion, we look at the remaining 2 and say "they sure don't build 'em like that anymore". Bingo. Back in the day people made both crappy stuff and good stuff; the crappy stuff broke and was thrown away, and the good stuff survived long enough that it now colors our perceptions of historical build quality. Today, the perception that things are more crappy than before is because you have options that didn't exist in the past. In 1930 if you needed boots you went to the local cobbler, or maybe if you were rich you'd go to the nearest big city and get some fancy boots from the fancy cobbler. That's it. Today you have ten thousands kinds of boots from China at a tenth the price of the old locally-made ones, and a quarter the build quality, but the cheap boots become the new baseline and the old well-made ones turn into luxuries. I have a 15 dollar torque wrench that eventually broke when I tried to get up to its maximum rating, and a 150 dollar one that is a joy to use and can be sent back to the American manufacturer for free recalibration. You can still get good things...you just have to be willing to pay for them.
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bolind posted:10+ year rust warranties usually have some fine print, though, that says something like "surface rust not counted." I've always seen it as a bit of a scam. Actually the VAG rust warranty gotcha is a weird one. They'll fully cover any visible rust but there is some unknown factor that they've never explained to me that will mean they only cover 70% of the cost. I've asked about it twice about my Audi and only got back "most is covered 100%, some is 70%, its up to headquarters"
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8ender posted:Actually the VAG rust warranty gotcha is a weird one. They'll fully cover any visible rust but there is some unknown factor that they've never explained to me that will mean they only cover 70% of the cost. I've asked about it twice about my Audi and only got back "most is covered 100%, some is 70%, its up to headquarters" I don't think that is really true, at least in VWs. I know some people with bubbles who get rejected. They also have a "if there is any paint chip of any size near the rust, it doesn't count" policy. That said, VWs and Audis have amazing rust proofing. Too bad everything else reliability wise is questionable.
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nm posted:I don't think that is really true, at least in VWs. I know some people with bubbles who get rejected. The difference in how they treat Audi and VW owners is pretty startling. When I have to bring my Audi to a dealer I get to sit in a nice leather sofa chair and drink complimentary beverages. The VW folks sit on hard plastic chairs in what looks like a faithful recreation of a DMV waiting room. They don't know that I spent $6k on my Audi so I just live a lie.
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MadScientistWorking posted:This is the scariest mechanical thing Ive come across in a while. The tracks look like cooked spaghetti. See you and raise you a Tu-95 taking off. Or rather, trying to take off. It's more exciting than I was expecting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtqYAv5xyTg
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2014 October, take car in for 200000km checkup and let them do yearly inspection, everything fine. Don't drive much over the winter and then the car sits for a half a year because I was working elsewhere. Come october 2015 and I start putting it ready for inspection, had to change handbrake cables etc.. Check the brakes at the same time.  WHOAA
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8ender posted:The difference in how they treat Audi and VW owners is pretty startling. When I have to bring my Audi to a dealer I get to sit in a nice leather sofa chair and drink complimentary beverages. The VW folks sit on hard plastic chairs in what looks like a faithful recreation of a DMV waiting room. They don't know that I spent $6k on my Audi so I just live a lie. You need to find a better VW dealership then. The one I go to has free snacks, free drinks and comfy chairs with a TV. And they actually manage to get the service done without breaking anything.
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veedubfreak posted:You need to find a better VW dealership then. The one I go to has free snacks, free drinks and comfy chairs with a TV. Fitting, since I assume that anyone buying a VWAG product expects to live at the dealership part-time.
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hillo posted:2014 October, take car in for 200000km checkup and let them do yearly inspection, everything fine. Don't drive much over the winter and then the car sits for a half a year because I was working elsewhere. Just for safety's sake, you do recognize that you have a stuck caliper right? And you got it sliding/replaced it and didn't just slap new pads in, right?
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LloydDobler posted:Just for safety's sake, you do recognize that you have a stuck caliper right? And you got it sliding/replaced it and didn't just slap new pads in, right? It was sliding just fine
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LloydDobler posted:Just for safety's sake, you do recognize that you have a stuck caliper right? And you got it sliding/replaced it and didn't just slap new pads in, right? That almost looks like the abrassive fell off the pad.
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veedubfreak posted:You need to find a better VW dealership then. The one I go to has free snacks, free drinks and comfy chairs with a TV. And they actually manage to get the service done without breaking anything. The VW dealer I would go to was a VW/Audi/Mercedes/Porsche dealer. It has a very nice waiting area with a coffee bar, free food, large TVs, comfy chairs, and free WiFi. They're also expensive, slow, and don't know how to properly torque lug bolts.
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Speaking of slow service departments at dealers, wife took her car in for a 5000 mile today, took 90 minutes for an oil change and rotation. They had a list of recommended replacements, like air filter and spark plugs. I knew it needed done so that's no big deal but she asked how long that would take and it was going to be another 90 minutes.  Not sure what their problem is, I use this dealer all the time and it's usually 30 minutes to get in and out.
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xzzy posted:Speaking of slow service departments at dealers, wife took her car in for a 5000 mile today, took 90 minutes for an oil change and rotation. I've cracked 2 hours for just an oil change. I don't know what the issue was as the car was on the lift ASAP and the technician was at the car doing "something" every time I looked through the window. That's when I finally gave up on the dealer and started doing them myself.
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