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Modernist cuisine has kind of removed any lowbrow stigma with the word "american cheese" or "processed cheese." Processed cheese is objectively the best burger, grilled cheese, and nacho cheese. It just depends on what base cheese(s) you use to make the processed cheese.
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Feb 13, 2017 21:43
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I'm fairly sure most people don't really know what American cheese is and why it's labeled as processed cheese. The nice slices you get from the deli counter are barely related to the grease slices wrapped in individual plastic. That said, sometimes you really just need one of those Kraft singles, man.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:48
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I disagree that processed singles make the best grilled cheese or burger cheese. I agree that they're decent. I prefer one slice of cheddar + one processed single on my grilled cheese to juse the processed singles. I assert that to use anything more expensive than grocery store medium-old cheddar on anything like a grilled cheese or burger is a waste of cheese. A hamburger with a slice of aged cheddar on the side is better than a cheeseburger made with melted aged cheddar, because having melted that aged cheddar you've now made it indistinguishable from the cheap poo poo.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:54
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The Midniter posted:Literally any other cheese, though American will do in a pinch nah any time you're melting cheese american is fuckin' delicious, also lol at being pretentious about loving cheez whiz
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Feb 14, 2017 01:00
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GrAviTy84 posted:Modernist cuisine has kind of removed any lowbrow stigma with the word "american cheese" or "processed cheese." Well, to be fair this is only among the few nerds who are into modernist cooking
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Feb 14, 2017 01:17
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Steve Yun posted:Well, to be fair this is only among the few nerds who are into modernist cooking Did the demographic of gwiss change that bad that the average person here doesnt know what modernist cheese is?
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Feb 14, 2017 01:52
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there's a thread solely on burger pics so I guess we've basically digressed 2 notches away from bragging about meatships
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Feb 14, 2017 01:56
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aren't kraft singles just like hydrogenated vegetable oil? I want to try the sodium citrate thing but I'd have to come up with a pretty good justification for it.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:01
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theres a will theres moe posted:I want to try the sodium citrate thing but I'd have to come up with a pretty good justification for it. Why?
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Feb 14, 2017 02:18
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theres a will theres moe posted:aren't kraft singles just like hydrogenated vegetable oil? I mean it's not like the cheese/dairy going into them is exactly snooty fromagerie poo poo. But while Kraft Singles certainly do not meet the regulatory definition of cheese, they're not a not-even-cheese product (that doesn't contain any cheese or dairy) either. And since we're discussing it anyway it's probably worth pointing out that the yellow squares are commonly called `American cheese' but it's also common to find American cheese in e.g. delis which is essentially just a mild white cheddar, and which is a cheese which has existed since the colonial era.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:18
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SubG posted:Nope, they're dairy. Take the cheese that a cheesemaker can't otherwise use---broken wheels and blocks, random shavings and so on---add sodium citrate, form, done. Some processed cheese products also use other dairy byproducts of cheesemaking (like whey). And some add some veg oil to modify the consistency/texture/whatever. But Kraft Singles specifically are dairy (cheese and cheesemaking byproducts) plus minor amounts of sodium citrate, preservatives, and so on. Thank you. I didn't know any of this. I guess mostly because I'd feel guilty about eating enough gooey cheese slurm to have warranted making a batch
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Feb 14, 2017 02:31
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theres a will theres moe posted:I guess mostly because I'd feel guilty about eating enough gooey cheese slurm to have warranted making a batch I see you haven't lived
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Feb 14, 2017 02:36
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theres a will theres moe posted:I guess mostly because I'd feel guilty about eating enough gooey cheese slurm to have warranted making a batch It's not like it's going to give you a funny flavour or texture or anything.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:08
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SubG posted:Unless you're really wound up about ~*traditional methods*~ or some poo poo, literally all that sodium citrate does is make it easier to consistently produce a high-quality cheese sauce with more or less any cheese you want to use. but Chemicals
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Feb 14, 2017 03:35
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SubG posted:Nope, they're dairy. Take the cheese that a cheesemaker can't otherwise use---broken wheels and blocks, random shavings and so on---add sodium citrate, form, done. Some processed cheese products also use other dairy byproducts of cheesemaking (like whey). And some add some veg oil to modify the consistency/texture/whatever. But Kraft Singles specifically are dairy (cheese and cheesemaking byproducts) plus minor amounts of sodium citrate, preservatives, and so on. It's like mechanically recovered cheese?
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Feb 14, 2017 09:13
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mindphlux posted:kraft cheese sperglord spotted  sorry m8 but if you don't go american on your loving american burger idfk. lmao at people who put aged cheddar on burgers in particular. these are the same people who sperg out about ultra peaty scotches, but drink like once a month.
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Feb 14, 2017 10:05
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The Midniter posted:[jack in the box taco] don't make me loving honor duel you over jack in the box tacos. I have driven 50+ miles out of my way on a roadtrip to eat a jack in the box taco. I have purchased literally 20 orders of tacos (order dude : is that 20 tacos? or 20 orders of two tacos? - me : WHAT THE gently caress DO YOU THINK I ORDERED? TWENTY ORDERS OF TACOS. WHICH IS 40 GODDAMN TACOS.) I have written in the 'contact us' section of jackinthebox.com multiple times encouraging someone - anyone - to open a franchise in Georgia. I have considered funding and opening my own jack in the box franchise, just to eat their loving tacos. I'd say something self effacing like 'oh, most of jack in the box is garbage, but their tacos sure are great!' to diffuse this situation. but I've literally never eaten anything from jack in the box that wasn't a jack in the box taco. or an iced tea I guess. DONT gently caress WITH ME MIDNITER. DONT gently caress WITH ME. YOURE OFFICIALLY ON NOTICE.
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Feb 14, 2017 10:12
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mindphlux posted:don't make me loving honor duel you over jack in the box tacos. mindphlux posted:sperglord spotted  I'm not innocent. I will purchase and consume 6 frozen White Castle cheeseburgers at a time.
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Feb 14, 2017 15:15
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The Midniter posted:I'm not innocent. I will purchase and consume 6 frozen White Castle cheeseburgers at a time. That's gross. I eat Taco Bell, and I look down on you. The Jack in the Box tacos are something that need to be experienced at least once. They are also gross, though. Are they still meatless?
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Feb 14, 2017 15:18
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mindphlux posted:sperglord spotted The correct burger is 70/30, cooked medium rare, with blue cheese (preferably Maytag or, if you can get it, Bayley Hazen; for bonus points hit it with a blowtorch to melt/char) and kimchi. Thin layer of fully-caramelized onions on the bottom bun is optional but highly recommended. And that is exactly as loving American as any other burger, thank you very much. And I really like ultra-peaty scotches but whatever, I'll drink Jameson if someone offers it.
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Feb 14, 2017 15:22
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I think of american cheese as like the meatloaf of cheeses. It's a ton of scraps put back together and bound with scraps of other things, and served in a slice. It's common and accessable and tasty on a baloney sammie.
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Feb 14, 2017 16:03
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I would totally unironically eat taco bell on the way home from grocery with frozen white castle in tow. hashtag yolo missin dat triple double crunchwrap, yall. the one that got away
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Feb 14, 2017 16:09
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Nowadays my taco bell order is just a grande meal of the bean burritos so I can eat all 10 that same night.
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Feb 14, 2017 16:13
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GrAviTy84 posted:I would totally unironically eat taco bell on the way home from grocery with frozen white castle in tow. hashtag yolo At TB the two items I like are the Mexi-Melt and the 7 layer. Also the Fire sauce.
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Feb 14, 2017 16:23
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Betos/Rancheritos has ruined Taco Bell/Del Taco/Taco Time for me.
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Feb 14, 2017 16:27
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bartolimu posted:The correct burger is 70/30, cooked medium rare, with blue cheese (preferably Maytag or, if you can get it, Bayley Hazen; for bonus points hit it with a blowtorch to melt/char) and kimchi. Thin layer of fully-caramelized onions on the bottom bun is optional but highly recommended. And that is exactly as loving American as any other burger, thank you very much. look at everything about this post lol
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Feb 14, 2017 16:28
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MrSlam posted:Betos/Rancheritos has ruined Taco Bell/Del Taco/Taco Time for me. I mean, I live in (the greater) Los Angeles area, it's not about finding good mexican food, that poo poo is literally on almost every street corner. TB is so far removed from mexican food it doesn't even count anymore. Del taco is garbage though.
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Feb 14, 2017 16:30
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In the mid west it's taco bell or authentic stuff if you can find it. I really should give more business to the latter, I cannot compete with their bean game. / e- bart when you put kimchi on your burg do you dice or drain it first? I really have inconsistent results topping my stuff with the chi.
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Feb 14, 2017 16:39
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GrAviTy84 posted:I mean, I live in (the greater) Los Angeles area, it's not about finding good mexican food, that poo poo is literally on almost every street corner. TB is so far removed from mexican food it doesn't even count anymore. Favyfav made a great point about that on Latinos Who Lunch: Taco bell isn't Mexican, or even fake Mexican, but rather is it's own distinct cuisine and possibly food group. No shame in eating taco bell.
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Feb 14, 2017 17:29
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therattle posted:It's like mechanically recovered cheese? I also think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that when the Kraft Single was invented it was legit cool poo poo. We're used to having access to any drat thing at any drat time and feel entitled to pitch a fit if we can't get it. But the Kraft Single was invented in a time when state-of-the-art refrigeration was still a railroad car with a big-rear end slab of ice in it, and the idea of bringing a consistent, predictable perishable food product to a large population was a huge loving logistical challenge. I mean I never buy the things because I pretty much always have a block of utility-grade cheddar in the fridge and a bag of sodium citrate in the pantry. But I don't think the Kraft Single is stupid food poo poo the way, I dunno, poo poo like fake honey and fake balsamic vinegar are (in that they're not only ripoffs of a superior ingredient but they're invariably a bad ripoff).
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Feb 14, 2017 21:13
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Thread question- what is the worst (food) ingredient to include in hamburger meat? For use in a burger, to clarify.
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Feb 14, 2017 22:11
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I'm going with milk.
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Feb 14, 2017 22:16
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As a burger? Cheese. I made such mistakes like stuffing burgers when I was younger.
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Feb 14, 2017 22:18
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egg, as in mixed with the meat. it isn't a loving meatball edit: basically anything but salt, and even then it's better on the outside, not mixed in. edit2: reference http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2009/12/the-burger-lab-salting-ground-beef.html
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Feb 14, 2017 22:22
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Discendo Vox posted:Thread question- what is the worst (food) ingredient to include in hamburger meat? Soy.
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Feb 14, 2017 22:22
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Lipton's soup mix. Not that it would necessarily taste the worst or have the worst mouthfeel or whatever, but in that it is the quintessential illustration of the ~*one weird trick*~ fallacy that characterises so much bad cooking advice.
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Feb 14, 2017 22:48
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SubG posted:Lipton's soup mix. Not that it would necessarily taste the worst or have the worst mouthfeel or whatever, but in that it is the quintessential illustration of the ~*one weird trick*~ fallacy that characterises so much bad cooking advice. Like I can get behind the "one weird trick fallacy" but it's really just onions, salt, and MSG. Individually, those aren't bad burger adds.
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Feb 14, 2017 23:59
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The secret to these diner's eggs are.... wait for it... Lowery's seasoning salt.
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Feb 15, 2017 00:49
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What the gently caress is fake honey? e: whoever gave me this avatar gently caress yooooooooou
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You can apparently make lovely maple syrup from cream of tartar so I'd assuming it's similar to that.
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