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business hammocks posted:I was transformed into a socialist when my research into the October Revolution toppled over into a large bin of memes, exploding and killing my beloved wife. But I became...this. Those fools at the university will pay for forcing me out! They called my experiments unnatural. I say political science demands sacrifice! <lightning strikes outside windows> I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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im permabanned poster bougstomper58. i first started reading capital when i was about 12. by 14 i got really obsessed with the concept of "socialism" and tried to channel it constantly, until my thought process got really bizarre and i would repeat things like "eat the rich" and "is there aught we hold in common with the greedy parasite, who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might?" in my head for hours, and i would get really paranoid, start seeing things in the corners of my eyes etc, basically prodromal schizophrenia. im now on antipsychotics. i always wondered what the kind of "socialist" style of political theory was all about; i think it's the unconscious leaking in to the conscious, what jungian theory considered to be the cause of schizophrenic and schizotypal syptoms. i would advise all people who "get" socialism to be careful because that likely means you have a predisposition to a mental illness. peace.
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Captain Queernabs posted:https://twitter.com/n_super1/status/1035609956941221888 lmao i'm really glad that refoundation doesnt exist offline because good fuckin luck building a socialist organization if you're excluding workers that were radicalized
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Sep 1, 2018 20:41
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How is one "born leftist"
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LinYutang posted:How is one "born leftist" p sure it means 'completely agree with me, but also not more powerful or popular than me'
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Sep 1, 2018 21:14
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uh actually *tugs on shirt collar* refoundation is actually GOOD offline actually and they uh *wipes forehead sweat with handkerchief* do a lot of REAL organizing like uh *gulps dryly* uh uh uh like this one guy in my chapter he uh *passes out*
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Sep 1, 2018 22:26
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I guess they do some organizing if you consider organized twitter harassment to be organizing.
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Vhak lord of hate posted:does anyone go to a march actually expecting it to stop an action? solidarity isn't just half of the title of an awful song that im forced to sing Who the gently caress doesn't love that song I shout as I smash a beer bottle
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business hammocks posted:I guess they do some organizing if you consider organized twitter harassment to be organizing. its actually claled speaking truth to power. telling a woman she's a slut who needs to shut both pairs of lips or whatever is actually Feminist if you say it for the right reasons,
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every day i wake up with an utter disdain for everyone whose socialism was only informed created by material conditions and not by pure book learning. i am a real socialist that definitely exists.
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Impermanent posted:every day i wake up with an utter disdain for everyone whose socialism was only informed created by material conditions and not by pure book learning. i am a real socialist that definitely exists. That's called liberalism
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Sep 1, 2018 23:53
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Everyone who is my friend is a good organizer and everyone who isn't my friend is a wrecker.
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Sep 2, 2018 01:36
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I mean I feel like nobody I know does mean-spirited internet things that make them look like poo poo and impute indefensible positions to me or dsa generally. Having an unpopular position doesn’t necessarily mean that you have a bad position, but picking fights over the internet doesn’t seem to carry any advantages that I can see. Maybe they could use that slack discussion or high twitter subscriber count to explain their reasons for having a position that seems counterintuitive instead of calling a man stupid and lazy for being electrocuted at work. Even if they’re wreckers I feel like that would be a more effective long-term strategy more likely to please their FBI or LAPD handler.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:uh actually *tugs on shirt collar* refoundation is actually GOOD offline actually and they uh *wipes forehead sweat with handkerchief* do a lot of REAL organizing like uh *gulps dryly* uh uh uh like this one guy in my chapter he uh *passes out* I loled
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Sep 2, 2018 05:39
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npc released a bunch of voting data and lmao https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1036081740371189763 https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1036081743697244162
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Sep 2, 2018 16:32
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What an embarrassment
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Sep 2, 2018 17:07
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Pointing this stuff out is wrecker talk imho
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Sep 2, 2018 17:20
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legit question: why is national so loving bad?
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Sep 2, 2018 17:25
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why does the name Jeremy gong ring a bell I forget
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Sep 2, 2018 17:26
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Jeremy Bell rings a gong for me.
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Sep 2, 2018 17:58
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jeremy gong is the east bay guy everyone was mad at last year
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Sep 2, 2018 18:01
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Isn't abstaining from voting basically a vote in itself? Like it would make no difference if they voted no or didn't vote, not sure what the big deal is. edit: that data is apparently only for online votes and not in person votes, member of the NPC also commented on why there's a disproportion to electoral endorsement votes vs abstension https://twitter.com/shes_so_red/status/1036093024001044481?s=19 Ace of Baes has issued a correction as of 20:02 on Sep 2, 2018 |
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Sep 2, 2018 20:00
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Ace of Baes posted:Isn't abstaining from voting basically a vote in itself? Like it would make no difference if they voted no or didn't vote, not sure what the big deal is. Because they aren't voting to abstain, they are just not voting at all. That and apparently they take "not voting" as implied yes which seems dumb and undemocratic. https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1036081747384049664
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Sep 2, 2018 20:37
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not voting = yes seems like a bad system. so they're signing in to vote for quorum then abstaining?
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Sep 2, 2018 20:42
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It’s probably that way to encourage people to show up to vote.
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Sep 2, 2018 21:04
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Sep 2, 2018 21:08
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That's dumb but I still wonder if it makes a huge difference, like how often are things getting passed because one or more members of the 16 person NPC forgot to vote. It's not like it's a huge group and their only real responsibility is voting on stuff. I'm guessing the decision of abstension meaning yes was decided by the majority faction because it makes more sense tactically speaking. If there's a lone member or a group that isn't responsible enough to vote you get a free vote in your favor. Wheras since your faction controls the majority it's much easier to ensure your members are present to vote no if needed, not to mention it allows a certain amount of shirking responsibility if something passes that ends up bad (I didn't vote for it!) Not sure if making abstensions count as nos would really change anything. Unless the issue is the NPC just being so irresponsible that they can't keep track of when to take 2 minutes to log online on their phone and make a vote. And if that's the case that itself seems like a much bigger issue than whether they're voting or not .
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Sep 2, 2018 22:40
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I guess making abstension count as no doesn't really solve the accountability problem either though, it just allows them to shoot stuff down without saying "I didn't vote against it!" rather than approve stuff while saying "I didn't vote for it!"
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Sep 2, 2018 22:41
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The obvious solution is the one I've been pushing for since Fetonte, abolish the NPC, in the meantime though they're all up for election next year, which will simaltaneously be good and also a huge shitshow.
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Ace of Baes posted:The obvious solution is the one I've been pushing for since Fetonte, abolish the NPC, in the meantime though they're all up for election next year, which will simaltaneously be good and also a huge shitshow. Abolishing the NPC is absolutely the right thing to do and at this point I believe there will be at least 2 proposals to do so next year
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Sep 2, 2018 23:29
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Abolishing the NPC is the simple part, the more complicated part is what replaces it.
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Ace of Baes posted:Abolishing the NPC is the simple part, the more complicated part is what replaces it. It's two different proposals of what to replace it with. One is regional-based, the other is sortition
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Ace of Baes posted:I guess making abstension count as no doesn't really solve the accountability problem either though, it just allows them to shoot stuff down without saying "I didn't vote against it!" rather than approve stuff while saying "I didn't vote for it!" From what I understand, abstentions are generally the way for someone to contribute to the quorum needed without having to vote yes or no on the issue at hand. Abstentions wouldn't count as "yes" or "no" when tallying up the votes. What the NPC appears to have is a problem with people on the NPC not bothering to vote, which isn't necessarily "abstention", just a quorum not being met. In other words, it's quite different to show up to a vote - in person or online to actively choose a vote to abstain than to just ignore it and not participate at all during the vote.
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HiHo ChiRho posted:From what I understand, abstentions are generally the way for someone to contribute to the quorum needed without having to vote yes or no on the issue at hand. Abstentions wouldn't count as "yes" or "no" when tallying up the votes. I mean abstaining in the literal sense, not voting for abstaining.
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Sep 3, 2018 00:08
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The NPC's chief purpose is to absorb the derision of everyone who would otherwise be getting mad at people in their local chapter or picking interchapter fights.
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Bushiz posted:The NPC's chief purpose is to absorb the derision of everyone who would otherwise be getting mad at people in their local chapter or picking interchapter fights. It's all that unites us.
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Sep 3, 2018 01:09
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Sep 3, 2018 01:46
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Apparently resenting the NPC unites us Enough to keep growing.
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Sep 3, 2018 03:53
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i've known exactly one refoundation guy irl and he was setting himself up to do organizing via social media outreach last time i talked to him also, i didn't read any of that NPC poo poo because my stance on them (abolish) will not change from those words
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Love how all this petty bullying poo poo from the electoral faction is burning out all the most effective members who actually do poo poo within my chapter.
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