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Joementum posted:If Trump loses by the margin of current polling, the lesson the GOP is going to draw is that they would have won with an experienced politician devoted to Reaganism like Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio and that'll be their hope for 2020. And then they'll lose in 2020. So fingers crossed. One of the most interesting things about the Republicans is that they need to moderate to win, but their constituents are getting older and whiter and crazier by the cycle. They are in a death spiral. I am very interested to see how the GOP eventually does pivot back. Assuming the world doesn't end and human society continues to stand, they will have to move to the center at some point in the next 20-30 years.
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Deteriorata posted:On the other hand, by emphasizing short-term electoral gains at the expense of long-term party building, they've backed themselves into an ideological and demographic corner with no obvious exit short of destroying the party. Unless Trump wins, in which case the Republicans will have won control of all three branches of government.
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Jul 18, 2016 05:43
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Joementum posted:If Trump loses by the margin of current polling, the lesson the GOP is going to draw is that they would have won with an experienced politician devoted to Reaganism like Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio and that'll be their hope for 2020. and how much will their takeaway actually change anything? we all remember their hilarious post mortem from 2012, and things have gone a bit awry from that
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Jul 18, 2016 05:47
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MadJackal posted:We're going to get rid of ISIS "big league Can we get a motherfucking word filter to change this big league bullshit to the right and true "BIGLY"
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Jul 18, 2016 05:48
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Leviathan posted:Trump: "I think I am, actually, humble." This could have been taken in rush limbaughs or viktor yanukovychs mansions
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Jul 18, 2016 05:50
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shiksa posted:When asked about the ramifications of legitimizing ISIS by declaring war, Mr. Trump responded "Well they are legitimate, a legitimate threat." Gov. Pence sighed and started to rub his forehead, Mr. Trump turned to Pence and asked "Is that not right? I mean they are legitimate, totally legitimate. It's a failure by the Obama administration to not declare their legitimacy, in my opinion." haha what a funny made up joke
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Jul 18, 2016 05:56
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Vertical Lime posted:happy convention everybody After seeing a hundred or so people sing this article's praises I finally clicked through and read it. And now I'm adding my voice to those hundred or so. If you're the type that even casually lurks this thread, go read this all the way through.
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Al! posted:haha what a funny made up joke oh wait i thought "funny made up joke" was wordfiltered to "terrifying vision of the future"
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Jul 18, 2016 06:05
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I'm terrified of a situation where a Republican party controling most state governments and all three branches of the federal government recognizes demographic trends as their biggest threat to continued power. Restricting voting rights is current GOP policy, and if they are in a "death spiral" things can get worse. Their right flank is literal white supremacists who think they're battling against white genocide. Acting like the GOP is going to collapse in on itself harmlessly seems foolish. Does, does this count as a meltdown?
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Jul 18, 2016 06:07
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Joementum posted:Michelle Van Etten, Small Business Owner Could someone explain this person? I can actually find less info than on Wist, and the description raises a number of questions.
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Powered Descent posted:After seeing a hundred or so people sing this article's praises I finally clicked through and read it. tl;dr
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Jul 18, 2016 06:12
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I think the GOP has lost some of the slick messaging that they had during, say, the Bush years, but at the same time, it would be a huge mistake to think they'll just wither away because Demographics. Rove was delusional when he talked about a permanent Republican majority, and any Democrat who thinks they have the presidency forever is equally so.
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Jul 18, 2016 06:13
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buzzfeed posted:We spoke often over the next few months. Nunberg was living with his parents and getting sober; most days, he seemed focused primarily on his hell-bent crusade to take revenge on Lewandowski for getting him fired. I would often see him texting tips to reporters and taking calls — always in a clipped mafioso voice — to strategize with his fellow soldiers in Trumplandia civil war. What's Nunberg posting under these days
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Discendo Vox posted:Could someone explain this person? I can actually find less info than on Wist, and the description raises a number of questions. quote:Michelle Van Etten is a small business owner quote:Michelle employs over 100,000 people wut Has to be a bullshit Herbalife MLM thing where she has 100k downstreams and she's calling them employees edit: This might be her? https://twitter.com/trendyscrapper If so I was right about it being an MLM thing, I hope she does a hard sales pitch on stage anotherone fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 06:18
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shiksa posted:When asked about the ramifications of legitimizing ISIS by declaring war, Mr. Trump responded "Well they are legitimate, a legitimate threat." Gov. Pence sighed and started to rub his forehead, Mr. Trump turned to Pence and asked "Is that not right? I mean they are legitimate, totally legitimate. It's a failure by the Obama administration to not declare their legitimacy, in my opinion." Jesus Christ Okay, if the unthinkable should happen here's the plan Obama... Pardon Hinkley. Give him a job with the secret service. Assign him a solo detail on Trump. Casually mention in passing that Jodie Foster has been asking about him. Alternately, give Chief Justice Roberts and exploding Bible covered in superglue. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 18, 2016 06:37
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eatenmyeyes posted:Jesus Christ Trump nixes the whole plot after hearing Hinckley's song in assassins, "unworthy of your love" believing himself to be worthy of anyones love As an aside I played hinckley in my colleges production of assassins cause I look a lot like him and I can sing. I'm sorry I couldn't rewrite history yall.
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Jul 18, 2016 06:44
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I am supremely confident that Obama will, if necessary, use HAARP and chemtrails to manipulate the margin of error in swing states. Alternately, if Trump wins, invoke the MJ-12 agreement and declare the US is joining the Reticulan Federation, volunteering Donald and Mike for "first probin's."
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Jul 18, 2016 06:44
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trump is at best a narcissistic authoritarian who uses an increasingly loyal cult of personality to achieve whatever means to his ends or a fascist dressing up the ideology in 21st century terms that appeals to a large portion the disenfranchised and unorganized masses. take your pick which one is worse.
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Jul 18, 2016 06:49
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Discendo Vox posted:Could someone explain this person? I can actually find less info than on Wist, and the description raises a number of questions. Gonna be great when the Trump campaign's done zero vetting on some of these speakers and one of them breaks into a Birther tirade right on prime-time TV.
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SirJohnnyMcDonald posted:trump is at best a narcissistic authoritarian who uses an increasingly loyal cult of personality to achieve whatever means to his ends or a fascist dressing up the ideology in 21st century terms that appeals to a large portion the disenfranchised and unorganized masses. i think hes just a big crybaby who is invoking the ugliest parts of US politics and racial resentment myself
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Jul 18, 2016 06:51
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Joementum posted:If Trump loses by the margin of current polling, the lesson the GOP is going to draw is that they would have won with an experienced politician devoted to Reaganism like Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio and that'll be their hope for 2020. They do that and Cruz will win the nomination in 2020 and depending on the state of the country win the Presidency. The GOP is fundamentally broken at the base and its their own drat fault for feeding those people a steady diet of hate for the last 30+years.
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Tubesock posted:tl;dr It's a bio piece with good background and snippets, that in short describes how spurned Trump has been by elites, and how that fuels him. It focuses largely on Sam Nunberg who engineered the start of the campaign, and who you may remember as the person Trump filed a lawsuit against a week ago. Some choice quotes: quote:Republican presidential prospects begin voyaging to Trump Tower to kiss his ring. Trump liked this, but it was the visit from Mitt Romney — grandee of the establishment, golden boy of the donor class — that left him feeling truly special. “We hit it off really well, better than I expected,” Trump said on CNN. quote:Trump’s advisers took turns making appeals to his ego, to his patriotism, to his lust for TV cameras — anything they could think of. What finally seemed to do the trick, according to Nunberg, was floating the notion that his haters might get the final word on him in the history books. “I don’t know what’s going to happen in this election,” he recalled telling Trump. “But no matter what, they’re gonna write about it a hundred years from now. And they’re never gonna be able to say you didn’t run.”
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Look's like the guy who ghost-wrote 'art of the deal' is now telling everyone what a piece of poo poo Trump is
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Montasque posted:They do that and Cruz will win the nomination in 2020 and depending on the state of the country win the Presidency. Based on the house and state politics its pretty depressing how far hate gets you imho!!!!
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Jul 18, 2016 06:59
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Here's a companion video to Coppins' article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X6gt327huo Everyone is so drat smug in this video, and now look where we are. Trump watched this and swore to Baal that he would get vengeance. You did this to us Mckay Coppins, this is all your fault!
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Montasque posted:Here's a companion video to Coppins' article: you forgot the rest of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvyRIgPImOY
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Jul 18, 2016 07:13
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Great article FYI. That email at the end is unreal
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:you forgot the rest of the video You know who else they all laughed at...
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hitler was the fool of vienna not necessarily comparing trump to hitler but underestimating people is a good way to get fuckin owned
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Rocks posted:Great article FYI. That email at the end is unreal that article coupled with the 60 minutes interview was the first time this whole campaign that i've actually felt dread
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SirJohnnyMcDonald posted:hitler was the fool of vienna speaking of which, clintonland was supposedly taking trump seriously way earlier than most everyone else and during late stages of the primary they said only 20% of the oppo they had was out in the public, was that bullshit because if not where is the other 80%? and don't say "she hasn't needed it" because this thing is way loving closer than i'm sure they want it to be
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:speaking of which, clintonland was supposedly taking trump seriously way earlier than most everyone else and during late stages of the primary they said only 20% of the oppo they had was out in the public, was that bullshit because if not where is the other 80%? and don't say "she hasn't needed it" because this thing is way loving closer than i'm sure they want it to be the election is still 4 months away be real dumb to put it all out there now, gotta get that ol' october surprise in she isn't even officially the nominee yet
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GrimGypsy posted:Look's like the guy who ghost-wrote 'art of the deal' is now telling everyone what a piece of poo poo Trump is art of the deal ,baby http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:speaking of which, clintonland was supposedly taking trump seriously way earlier than most everyone else and during late stages of the primary they said only 20% of the oppo they had was out in the public, was that bullshit because if not where is the other 80%? and don't say "she hasn't needed it" because this thing is way loving closer than i'm sure they want it to be Optimistically, they're thinking that if they destroy him now, the GOP can nominate someone else, or mount a reasonable defense, or people will just forget by election day- but if they wait until after the RNC, or even September/October, then they'll see a much larger impact in November. It's also possible that they're full of poo poo. anotherone fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Some of the oppo research will go unused, because that's life. Most of the rest is waiting until after the convention. I wonder if the Never Trump thing convinced the Clinton campaign to pull back juuuuust enough that they didn't accidentally push the GOP to actually unseat Donald as their nominee. Regardless, once the Republican Party is fully, finally committed to Trump, and Clinton gets her week of positive focus from the Democratic convention—it'll be guns free on the oppo strikes.
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Jul 18, 2016 07:51
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I hope the Clinton campaign has the whimsy to try weird psychological experiments with their bottomless war chest. Pick a lean-R state, buy every single ad slot available, on all channels, in that market for the month before the election. Just put up some stationary text on the screen, like "DONALD TRUMP IS A RAPIST". In every ad slot, for a month. See what that does to the poll numbers.
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all these writers and journalists whining about how they created trump and are soo sorry, doesn't that have it's own sort of narcissism about it? takes one to know one I guess
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Zas posted:art of the deal ,baby Everyone should read the article. My favorite part. quote:“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”
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