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I forget, given all the warp fuckery involved with primarchs, can primarchs sense one another? If so they could ask Big G himself.
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Of course, the point being that Alpharius being dead (Aside from Praetorian of Dorn which spelt it out via the Omegon scene where he senses it through the Great Disturbance In The Force) would be exactly what Alpharius wanted you to think.
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Jun 21, 2020 00:37
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I think there is a decent chance GW eventually reveals there is a 3rd AL primarch since the Hydra has three heads. I also like the theory that Alpharius's primarch ability is that he can shard his soul and put pieces temporarily into his legionaries. When they say "I am Alpharius" they sometimes mean it. It could be that Alpharius was the only primarch emps created, but Alpharius being Alpharius he put half his soul in Omegon as a backup/insurance/force multiplier.
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Jun 21, 2020 01:30
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D-Pad posted:I think there is a decent chance GW eventually reveals there is a 3rd AL primarch since the Hydra has three heads. This is kinda already cannon a legionary can drink alpha legion primarch blood and they either turn into him or are possessed by him for some unknown duration.
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Jun 21, 2020 02:59
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Z the IVth posted:We know how it ends. Badly, according to one of the Ghosts. Schadenboner posted:This is violence.
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Jun 21, 2020 03:03
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Is there a book that talks about the High Lord's attempted coup against Guilliman?
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Jun 21, 2020 04:46
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Galvanik posted:Is there a book that talks about the High Lord's attempted coup against Guilliman? The Regent's Shadow
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Jun 21, 2020 04:51
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Alpha Legion is just Calvinball anyway
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Jun 21, 2020 04:55
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Pyrolocutus posted:The other twin purportedly died at Guilliman's hands but the account of that rather mysteriously showed up in the Ultramarine's records so who knows. " .....and then mighty Guilliman smote Alpharius, who is definitely now dead. So don't waste any of your time looking for him, or investigating rumours of his activities." Signed:
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Jun 21, 2020 17:23
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I finally finished reading that Necron short story “Severed” and I loved it.  The middle felt a little slow, but once Zahndrekh came back it immediately got great and didn’t stop.
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Jun 22, 2020 04:26
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Any mention on the Primarch's opinions on mutant civilians and abhumans? I don't think anyone's touched that subject, which is kind of weird.
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Jun 22, 2020 04:37
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Check out the interactive experience Cold Open Stories is starting. Check them out in general if you haven't, they are putting out some really great, professional quality 40k fan fiction, and they have frequent submissions. It would probably up your chances with BL open submissions if you had gotten published through Cold Open. I know at least one person they have featured got picked in the last window. https://www.coldopenstories.com/experience/
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Jun 22, 2020 04:49
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Just finished a re-read of Thousand Sons. In some ways it feels like a pitch-black comedy given how oblivious Magnus and the legion is to what they are doing. My favourite bit is when one of them is told an accurate account of the fall of the Eldar (not called that) and he's not interested because he's read plenty of other accounts with a similar story. I almost felt like screaming: "You idiots, you're repeating the exact same mistakes! Even to the point of harnessing demons!" In conclusion, Russ did nothing wrong.
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Jun 22, 2020 07:54
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Plucky Brit posted:Just finished a re-read of Thousand Sons. In some ways it feels like a pitch-black comedy given how oblivious Magnus and the legion is to what they are doing. My favourite bit is when one of them is told an accurate account of the fall of the Eldar (not called that) and he's not interested because he's read plenty of other accounts with a similar story. I almost felt like screaming: "You idiots, you're repeating the exact same mistakes! Even to the point of harnessing demons!" Virgin Tutelaries vs Chad Demons
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Jun 22, 2020 12:55
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I like Enuncia, it's easy to make canon and I really enjoyed the reveal on what they were doing with the Chaos-tainted computers. Also it's kind of like Enochian and it makes sense to me that there would be a universal ur-language that directly interfaces with Chaos because Chaos is everywhere. I also liked that guy who discovered the cursed equations.
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Relevant Tangent posted:I like Enuncia, it's easy to make canon and I really enjoyed the reveal on what they were doing with the Chaos-tainted computers. Also it's kind of like Enochian and it makes sense to me that there would be a universal ur-language that directly interfaces with Chaos because Chaos is everywhere. I also liked that guy who discovered the cursed equations. I like it too, I think the main problem with it is that it doesn't interface well with the rest of the 40k universe, but that could be fixed with some books that tie it into the greater whole. There's a lot of other "Abnett-verse" ( I don't mean that in a bad way like some people do) stuff that has become not just arbitrary canon, but a part of the consensus of 40k, in that other writers use it seamlessly, and it's part of how we all visualise the setting. Enuncia still kinda stands apart as his own special baby. There were some good ideas earlier in the thread about how Enuncia could just be another demonic deception. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Jun 22, 2020 |
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Jun 22, 2020 15:36
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Relevant Tangent posted:I like Enuncia, it's easy to make canon and I really enjoyed the reveal on what they were doing with the Chaos-tainted computers. Also it's kind of like Enochian and it makes sense to me that there would be a universal ur-language that directly interfaces with Chaos because Chaos is everywhere. I also liked that guy who discovered the cursed equations. I really did like Bletchley Park But EEEEVVVIIILLL. That's true.
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SardonicTyrant posted:Any mention on the Primarch's opinions on mutant civilians and abhumans? I don't think anyone's touched that subject, which is kind of weird. I could swear one of the books mentions that Sanguinius was much less hardline about mutants than the rest of them by virtue of well.. *gestures vaguely at enormous wings* but it's just kind of a single sentence aside.
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Jun 22, 2020 17:06
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Inspector_666 posted:I could swear one of the books mentions that Sanguinius was much less hardline about mutants than the rest of them by virtue of well.. *gestures vaguely at enormous wings* but it's just kind of a single sentence aside. Yeah, he's scared out of his mind of being purged in every way conceivable. Look pretty and don't loving jinx it. -Sanguinius to himself probably
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So I'm on the Mechanicum book now on my Horus Heresy read. They really make asides to the two lost legions a lot in these books. The conversation that Rogal Dorn has with Malcador implies that not only do the two primarchs still exist, but their legions do too. They're just somehow unusable (but still loyal). My current pet theory (completely unsubstantiated) is that they were sent off beyond the galactic rim to another Galaxy. Sort of a Clans of the Inner Sphere situation. So they can emerge triumphantly as a new faction if they need to. It would be fun to have science loving moral star trek humans come back and see what a shitshow the Imperium is, and feel like they need to cleanse it.
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Jun 22, 2020 17:26
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There's a pretty obvious reference in The First Heretic to them being absorbed by the Ultramarines.
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Plucky Brit posted:Just finished a re-read of Thousand Sons. In some ways it feels like a pitch-black comedy given how oblivious Magnus and the legion is to what they are doing. My favourite bit is when one of them is told an accurate account of the fall of the Eldar (not called that) and he's not interested because he's read plenty of other accounts with a similar story. I almost felt like screaming: "You idiots, you're repeating the exact same mistakes! Even to the point of harnessing demons!" Russ is a cop and ACAB.
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The Rat posted:There's a pretty obvious reference in The First Heretic to them being absorbed by the Ultramarines. Hmmm, the line in Mechanicum is ‘No,’ said Malcador. ‘Not alone. Never alone. The Emperor may not stand beside us, but he has given us the means to fight this war and win it. Horus has three of his brother legions with him, you have your Fists and thirteen others.’ ‘Would that it were fifteen,’ mused Dorn. ‘Do not even think it, my friend,’ warned Malcador. ‘They are lost to us forever.’ ‘I know,’ said Dorn Which implies that they're still out there somewhere. I guess 40k isn't known for having consistent lore though...
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It's open, but it's just as easily interpreted as "gone." Which doesn't make sense if it were a purely administrative move, so something clearly happened.
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I definitely read that as They No Longer Exist.
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Moose-Alini posted:I definitely read that as They No Longer Exist. It does somewhat imply that they were loyalist though and something else happened which resulted in their destruction. Otherwise I don't think Dorn would be so quick to say they would be with him.
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Telsa Cola posted:It does somewhat imply that they were loyalist though and something else happened which resulted in their destruction. There's a book further on where Dorn explicitly thinks (if that's even a phrase) that the Emperor would have already lost the war had the missing primarchs been around.
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Jun 22, 2020 18:55
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Plucky Brit posted:In conclusion, Russ and Magnus truly deserve each-other.
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moths posted:It's open, but it's just as easily interpreted as "gone." i always view it as one was purged because out and out chaos/xeno influence or something like that and one was just lost.
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Jun 22, 2020 19:05
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One was gay and one was a woman. The emperor was like "Eww gross, get them away" Seems like the sort of thing Emps would do.
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SerCypher posted:One was gay and one was a woman. The emperor was like "Eww gross, get them away" It makes sense that at least one Primarch would embody the emperor’s fabulous side. Have you seen his perfectly conditioned hair? The attention to detail he spent gilding his armor juuuuuust right? That guy had style for days!
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Plucky Brit posted:Just finished a re-read of Thousand Sons. In some ways it feels like a pitch-black comedy given how oblivious Magnus and the legion is to what they are doing. My favourite bit is when one of them is told an accurate account of the fall of the Eldar (not called that) and he's not interested because he's read plenty of other accounts with a similar story. I almost felt like screaming: "You idiots, you're repeating the exact same mistakes! Even to the point of harnessing demons!"
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:It makes sense that at least one Primarch would embody the emperor’s fabulous side. Have you seen his perfectly conditioned hair? The attention to detail he spent gilding his armor juuuuuust right? That guy had style for days! Fulgrim was this and also the Emperor's desire to turn into a snake monster.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Fulgrim was this and also the Emperor's desire to turn into a snake monster. Let's not forget about the pear affaire.
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I like that some of them were incorporated into extant legions, which implies that whatever happened was recent relative to the Heresy. My pet theory is that they were pacifists or empathic, or wise enough to see that the Emperor's plan loving sucked.
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Angry Lobster posted:Let's not forget about the pear affaire. Fulgrim was the Emperor’s power bottom side, Ferrus was the Emperor's power top side
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Improbable Lobster posted:Fulgrim was the Emperor’s power bottom side, Ferrus was the Emperor's power top side Mmmmm Hmmmmm stupid sexy primarchs...
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The real answer to everything in the Heresy is that it was originally a one-page explanation of the backstory with a bunch of weird and random things thrown in that the Black Library authors tasked with the HH books suddenly had to explain and justify. But also the Emperor is a mysterious inscrutable figure whose inner thoughts we can't give away, so half the Heresy books are people speculating why the Emperor does the things he does, with no obvious answer.
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Doesn't one of the Wolves/Tsons books say that Prospero was the third time the Wolves have been called in to fight another legion on Emp's request?
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moths posted:I like that some of them were incorporated into extant legions, which implies that whatever happened was recent relative to the Heresy. When they wake Bjorn up to deal with the Inquisition fleet in The Emperor's Legion he says twenty legions. So whatever happened it was when he was around. Edit: Emperor's Gift not legion. Guyver fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jun 22, 2020 |
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