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Man, I keep getting wiped at the party. I just can't do a good job of getting around without alerting all the eternalists. I've changed the music to kill one of them but it's in the centre of the dancefloor so I might try the beer approach instead. I've been taking Shift and Aether, but might swap one of them out for Nexus to take out the visionaries on the roof in one go.
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If you want to sneak I think Shift and Nexus are the general way to go, so try that. Nexus also helps you have options if things do go sideways and fighting breaks out. I ended up just getting a shotgun and explosive rapier with Nexus and Havoc. Also got the trinket that gives you a charge attack that knocks back and almost always just kills the person you hit. I just shot up the whole place. It was honestly easier than sneaking in my opinion, but I also totally understand wanting to sneak around. I didn't find Aether very useful for anything other than PvP.
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Jan 19, 2022 13:08
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I am rocking the 'run into them and knock the gently caress over' trinket for sure. It's a lot of fun, especially punting people off cliffs. I'd also take the option to swap out my Reprise slab for a third. Two is quite limiting, and I don't die all that much (except for at the party, apparently). Red Oktober fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jan 19, 2022 |
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Jan 19, 2022 13:33
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I tried to stealth the party every goddamn time, but it was infuriating, one slip-up and the whole place goes on full alert. Then I'd mow them all down without any complication, which also solved the "who's the real one" problem, obviously.
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Jan 19, 2022 23:04
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Yeah the party is insanely hard to do full stealth. It’s pretty safe and easy to hide on the rooftops and snipe everyone though
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Jan 19, 2022 23:19
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Yeah, I switched it up for the party. Took Nexus and Shift and went up to the rooftop and linked Egor, Wenjie and a couple of Externalists and killed them. Then I got lost on the way to the music code (by the toilet) and alerted a load of people, ran to the rooftop, losing a couple of lives on the way, and decided to just die and loop to restart when I realised that... the guy bearing down on me had two golden guns Unloaded into him and just booked it for the exit. Game done.
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Jan 19, 2022 23:24
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Nice. I enjoyed killing him by using the switch to murder people telling bad jokes which I'm not sure how I would have found without seeing the achievement description, but drat it was cool.
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Jan 19, 2022 23:30
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Yeah, dropping Dorsey into the meatgrinder is basically free. In the left side window, door to the balcony overlooking the rear end in a top hat party, shift behind the sign and wait for a few minutes. Wenjie's a real short rooftop jaunt away, too. Nexus and a snipe. It's actually a bit weird how close to the entrance all three are, the whole back half of the manor has no purpose.
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Jan 19, 2022 23:35
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Yeah that's kinda the theme of all the levels, so much areas and stuff that end up not mattering.
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Jan 19, 2022 23:39
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The party is a tremendous letdown, honestly, like, the concept of it is absolutely stuffed with potential, it's full of little moving parts that you can puzzle out and seemingly interfere with, it's... well, it's conceptually a Hitman stage, really, except all you have is a Splinter Cell toolkit. You can't infiltrate, disrupt or subvert any part of it, save for dumping Alexis in the grinder, which is done by way of an arbitrary button you can only access using total stealth, rather than however the standup show is supposed to reach and enact its verdicts (which is never accounted for). You can find out Alexis' secret music mix and make him dance, but then you still have to run out and shoot him and escape with the place on alert. This is to say nothing of taking out Wenjie and Egor, which is very much something that's just... there. The game constantly goes on at you about supposed clever ways to identify Alexis but literally nothing is more efficient, more interesting, or, frankly, more fun, than barging in and lighting the place up.
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Jan 19, 2022 23:43
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Yeah, I remember killing him during the first loop by placing a turret in the courtyard, with him running ahead of the guests to get gunned down (all the guests died too). Also he's super easy to identify with his fany rare guns, also also I dunno if they patched that but of course the subtitles tell you when it's Alexis speaking. One time I cut off the beer supply to lure him to the cellar and kinda was happy there was at least that for a hitman-like strategy, then after I stealth killed him his body started the "alert all guests" script he was supposed to use when alive and spotting the player. When I found there was a questline to access the mask maker's workshop I thought it could be a way to actually attend the party in disguise but of course such an interesting idea was not to be explored. Chev fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jan 20, 2022 |
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Jan 20, 2022 00:01
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When I tried to do the party stealthily the first time I cocked it up royally and just John Wicked my way through. That was so much fun I did it again several more times even after I found the sneaky easy ways.
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It feels almost like you were going to mask up into the party but it got cut or something.
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algebra testes posted:It feels almost like you were going to mask up into the party but it got cut or something. yeah there's even a side quest to get into the mask maker's shop and you just get some completely forgettable reward and no mask. seems like a really weird misdirect unless it was cut
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Feb 9, 2022 11:26
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I would love to see a post-mortem from (one of) the developers of Deathloop some time. I think there are quite a few things that ended up getting changed fairly late in development. Too many elaborate ways of killing Visionaries that are so much more involved than just shooting them in the face, huge areas like the Armory that seem mostly unused, and so on. Would be cool to hear how the original ideas differed from what was finally released.
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Yea, seems like some feature creep got cut back.
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Honestly the game ended up landing pretty hollow for me as a result. What's there is fun to play but every corner, hint and conversation teases at a much more interesting game than we got.
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I've said it before, but I want to see this game redone with the level designers from Hitman. I think the thing they ran into was they felt like they couldn't make a bunch of ways to finish the game and still make it long enough, so they created one solution hid behind a bunch of dumb locks like an escape room instead of building a murder sandbox where the actual game time comes from replayability.
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I never got the impression that it was ever intended to be a sandbox - it's a followup to Dishonored which itself is a quite linear single-solution (or two-solution, factoring in the non-lethal option) assassination quest with a ton of optional side quests for loot and lore.
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Tenasscity posted:Yea, seems like some feature creep got cut back. I don't think it was feature creep, I think it was the original intent of the game but then COVID happened. Like do a side quest to get a mask to sneak in to a party and have multiple ways of identifying your target.. everything is in the game to make this happen already, they just couldn't connect the dots in time so we're left with this weirdly hollow and simplistic game. The whole game is filled with things like this. Kill Harriette with poisonous gas being another. All the pieces are there to set up a Rube Goldberg situation where she's killed by her own big pool of gas, instead what the solution we ended up with is... Shoot her with a poison gun. Thing is like this are everywhere throughout the game where all the pieces are there, making it obvious it would have been a much more intricate game. I'm sure without COVID happening right at the game's prime development time this would have been a lot more fleshed out. stratdax fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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I kept waiting for a deeper meta level of gameplay to reveal itself but then it... never did. Like, the entire premise of the game is that Julianna keeps her memories as well, but then she never actually does anything interesting! You can kill the Visionaries the exact same time, place and manner every day and she will never actually catch on or do anything about it.
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Yeah, the mask thing is the inverse of feature creep. It clearly feels like somehing that was long planned but cut because the dev was stretched thin to the point where even making enemies notice their pals being shot had to be added in a patch a couple months after release..
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Feb 11, 2022 18:38
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Linguica posted:I kept waiting for a deeper meta level of gameplay to reveal itself but then it... never did. Like, the entire premise of the game is that Julianna keeps her memories as well, but then she never actually does anything interesting! You can kill the Visionaries the exact same time, place and manner every day and she will never actually catch on or do anything about it. It's this. I was expecting the game to be fairly open to how people are killed but to react to that and so no matter what order you do them in, the last couple always have some kind of interesting snag you have to outwit. Instead, we got a canned puzzle that the game's protagonist solves for you. I didn't actually like Dishonored all that much, but I loved Prey. I was hoping for more of the latter.
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Oh hey look a documentary https://youtu.be/UXQ6uBw2ycU
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stratdax posted:I don't think it was feature creep, I think it was the original intent of the game but then COVID happened. Like do a side quest to get a mask to sneak in to a party and have multiple ways of identifying your target.. everything is in the game to make this happen already, they just couldn't connect the dots in time so we're left with this weirdly hollow and simplistic game. The poison gas one absolutely needed some tuning - I reckon the original intent was for you to be able to (fairly easily) link Harriette and the guy she's dropping into the gas with Nexus, but I couldn't find an angle to do it from.
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There's also the fact that there's quite a few puzzles/secrets/things to do in-game that end up with reasonably lacklustre rewards, while they sometimes seem the perfect setup for a specific reward. The Eternalists getting together to smoke the gas setup seems like it may have been intended to lead to the 'You can now breathe gas and it heals you' trinket as a reward, for example. KillHour posted:Oh hey look a documentary https://youtu.be/UXQ6uBw2ycU Although I do agree with quite a few of the comments raised against Deathloop, I have to say that I still immensely enjoyed the game. I think it has maybe been praised a bit too much in professional reviews, but I think it's also judged too harshly in player comments. Perhaps the former set too high expectations for the latter.
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Amazing how everyone seems to have completely forgot about this game as soon as they finished it.
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it just wasn't that good on the bright side Weird West, by the director of dishonored and prey, comes out in a few weeks
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repiv posted:it just wasn't that good
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It's also like, I don't think it is particularly amazing that a game couldn't infinitely sustain a thread? It was alright (IMO of course, nowhere near as good as Prey/Dishonored but still pretty decent), however it didn't have multiplayer or new content constantly being added or different builds/ways to play the game and people just naturally kinda stopped talking about it which is fine? Not every game needs to be some ever playable super game. Am looking forward to Weird West though, it's apparently gonna be on Gamepass so I don't even need to buy it.
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I mean it says something about gaming today probably but yeah. It was good and fun and I played it and enjoyed it and then I put it down and forgot about it until probably 10 years from now when I might be like hm that'd be fun to play again. It's ok for a game to be that.
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Deathloop was pretty alright and I liked it
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I liked it and I didn't forget about it, but there's nothing much to say when I'm done and moved on to other games
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I look back fondly on it as a game I played, beat and then disposed of. I think there is virtue to the fact it wasn't a 60 hour slog to finish.
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I mean, there is shitload of great games that don't really sustain a conversation once most people are finished with it, that's not some kind of flaw. Together with multiplayer I got something like 50 hours out of it, the multiplayer was some of the most fun I had in that mode in ages, singleplayer was good to great, but not super noteworthy. There is not a lot more to say. 
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Entropic posted:Amazing how everyone seems to have completely forgot about this game as soon as they finished it. I got the infinite loop ending because I was too bored by the ending cutscene to realise I was supposed to left click, and I felt like that was the perfect ending for this particular game
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I feel like the multiplayer might have grabbed me if the matchmaking didn’t take ages and I was actually any good at competitive FPS games, it has a cool asymmetric concept that I simply do not have the skills to get much out of.
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I dug the hell out of the acting, and I'm looking forward to another run if there's an expac (and Arkane always makes great ones), but it's definitely behind Prey and Dishonored for me.
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https://blog.playstation.com/2022/05/12/deathloop-update-includes-new-accessibility-options-photo-mode-and-more/ Fairly chonky suite of accessibility features and photo mode, launching today. Feels a little too late to be frank, but it's still nice to see.
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