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Some Numbers: Sep 28, 2006; "LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Wired got printed in the TFA core set.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 19:22

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 18:45

canyoneer: Sep 13, 2005; I only have canyoneyes for you

http://teamcovenant.com/star-wars-x-wing/my-impression-of-wave-9

I really like the TC blog. Neat insights into wave 9 ships and upgrades. Fearlessness is probably going to be really fun on Shadowcasters and party buses, due to having a humungous firing arc.

Fenn Rau (28)
Push the Limit (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Concord Dawn Protector (1)

Zuckuss (28)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Dengar (3)
Tractor Beam (1)
Mist Hunter (0)

Old Teroch (26)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Concord Dawn Protector (1)

Total: 97

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Here's a list idea I've been kicking around. The idea here is to fly Old Teroch and Fenn Rau close together with Teroch on the inside turns to make use of his token stripping ability. Zuckuss is there with an accurate tractor beam to manipulate range on small based ships during the combat phase and/or force the targets to spend tokens to avoid the tractor beam effects.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 20:03

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

I did not realise R3-A2 worked on the ARC's rear arc. Interesting.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 20:13

Foolster41: Aug 2, 2013; "It's a non-speaking role"

Chemmy posted:

Stealth device didn't hit until Wave 2.

Some Numbers posted:

Wired got printed in the TFA core set.

I was thinking SD was wave one, but I should have specified I meant the ships are all wave 1, using later wave upgrades.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 20:17

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

The winner of the biggest X-Wing tournament ever had Howlrunner, 3 Black and 3 APs.

Swarms have always been good, they are just difficult to fly and require a lot of skill and don't leave a lot of room for error.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 20:19

ConfusedUs: Feb 24, 2004; Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!

canyoneer posted:

http://teamcovenant.com/star-wars-x-wing/my-impression-of-wave-9

I hate this guy so much. He's such a whiner. The game of X-Wing has changed over time; he's incapable of changing with it.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:06

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

Also their acrylic token/ruler options are overpriced and suck aesthetically compared to others out there.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:22

banned from Starbucks: Jul 18, 2004

I dont think hes whining just stating the obvious

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:26

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

X-Wing is bad.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:35

canyoneer: Sep 13, 2005; I only have canyoneyes for you

Corbeau posted:

X-Wing is bad.

Biggs is alright though

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:42

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

I think the nationals convinced me that I just don't enjoy flying against triple jumps, and this was with me winning both of my games against triple jumps. I'm gonna take a break until jumpies in one form or another are less popular.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:43

banned from Starbucks: Jul 18, 2004

They already are. We are in the age of double jm5k + other ship

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:48

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

zVxTeflon posted:

They already are. We are in the age of double jm5k + other ship

I think that fills the gap of 'jumpies in one form or another'.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:48

I AM THE MOON: Dec 21, 2012

��heh nothing personnel, kid
��/

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:53

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

I AM THE MOON posted:

��heh nothing personnel, kid
��/

god that lazy-rear end costume is just the best

# ? Aug 15, 2016 21:58

Sushi in Yiddish: Feb 2, 2008

Ze Pollack posted:

god that lazy-rear end costume is just the best

I love that he's wearing a snowtrooper armor backwards and carrying a MG34

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:01

canyoneer: Sep 13, 2005; I only have canyoneyes for you

Wasn't IG-88 made out of a bunch of recycled set elements from the Mos Eisley Cantina?

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:01

ConfusedUs: Feb 24, 2004; Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!

You know what I hate flying against? It's not triple jumps or Dengaroo. It's not palp aces.

Both of those lists still play the game of X-Wing. There's still positioning, maneuvering, blocking, and more.

No, what I hate is any Kanan/Biggs list. Here's an example:

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...amed%20Squadron

Other variants use FCS instead of Accuracy Corrector and/or double recon spec instead of Jan.

This list doesn't play X-Wing. It doesn't care about positioning. It doesn't care about dice, even. It just plots along slowly, eating at the health of everything in its range.

You have to get through Biggs' regen, extra evade die, defensive token (an evade in my example, but is a focus in other variants), and Kanan's spend-a-focus-to-reduce-incoming-attacks ability while eating 4x TLT shots a round.

There are absolutely zero choices to made in this fight. You're basically on a timer. You have to kill Biggs, and then Kanan before you get eaten alive by those TLT shots. You can try to donut-hole the ghost but if you guess wrong, you eat a 5-die primary weapon shot.

Soontir does reasonably well against this, as does Inquisitor, but even with them, it's a slog. You have to save all your tokens (plus palp, if you have him) on defense, while plinking slowly through Biggs' health. Then you have to do the same against the ghost itself.

It's like playing against Thug Lyfe, except there are fewer choices and they can't blank a TLT shot here and there.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:02

Sushi in Yiddish: Feb 2, 2008

canyoneer posted:

Wasn't IG-88 made out of a bunch of recycled set elements from the Mos Eisley Cantina?

Yeah, his head is among the equipment behind Wuher at the bar.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:07

AndyElusive: Jan 7, 2007

Sushi in Yiddish posted:

I love that he's wearing a snowtrooper armor backwards and carrying a MG34

Not sure about the rest but I'm pretty sure he's wearing the chest armor properly at least.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:08

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

canyoneer posted:

Wasn't IG-88 made out of a bunch of recycled set elements from the Mos Eisley Cantina?

IG-88. Feared assassin droid. Also, cappuccino dispenser.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:15

Panzeh: Nov 27, 2006; "..The high ground"

ConfusedUs posted:

You know what I hate flying against? It's not triple jumps or Dengaroo. It's not palp aces.

Both of those lists still play the game of X-Wing. There's still positioning, maneuvering, blocking, and more.

No, what I hate is any Kanan/Biggs list. Here's an example:

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...amed%20Squadron

Other variants use FCS instead of Accuracy Corrector and/or double recon spec instead of Jan.

This list doesn't play X-Wing. It doesn't care about positioning. It doesn't care about dice, even. It just plots along slowly, eating at the health of everything in its range.

You have to get through Biggs' regen, extra evade die, defensive token (an evade in my example, but is a focus in other variants), and Kanan's spend-a-focus-to-reduce-incoming-attacks ability while eating 4x TLT shots a round.

There are absolutely zero choices to made in this fight. You're basically on a timer. You have to kill Biggs, and then Kanan before you get eaten alive by those TLT shots. You can try to donut-hole the ghost but if you guess wrong, you eat a 5-die primary weapon shot.

Soontir does reasonably well against this, as does Inquisitor, but even with them, it's a slog. You have to save all your tokens (plus palp, if you have him) on defense, while plinking slowly through Biggs' health. Then you have to do the same against the ghost itself.

It's like playing against Thug Lyfe, except there are fewer choices and they can't blank a TLT shot here and there.

The whole play goes away when you bump kanan and then his action economy goes to poo poo and often biggs will bump as well so he won't get any mods on his greens.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:18

ConfusedUs: Feb 24, 2004; Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!

Panzeh posted:

The whole play goes away when you bump kanan and then his action economy goes to poo poo and often biggs will bump as well so he won't get any mods on his greens.

Every single person I've played against with that list literally just runs away with the ghost the entire time. They don't even try to get shots with biggs; they just want him on the other side of the ghost.

It's hard to force the bump.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:25

Panzeh: Nov 27, 2006; "..The high ground"

ConfusedUs posted:

Every single person I've played against with that list literally just runs away with the ghost the entire time. They don't even try to get shots with biggs; they just want him on the other side of the ghost.

It's hard to force the bump.

If they haul rear end with the ghost you should be able to get him on the wrong side of the ghost because the ghost is faster than biggs- the ghost has one good turn when your gimmick is kanan protecting biggs and you can kinda play into it. It's also not that hard to clip the ghost without getting biggs in your arc if you're feeling fancy.

I guess I don't see the huge problem here unless you get impatient.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:31

ConfusedUs: Feb 24, 2004; Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!

Panzeh posted:

If they haul rear end with the ghost you should be able to get him on the wrong side of the ghost because the ghost is faster than biggs- the ghost has one good turn when your gimmick is kanan protecting biggs and you can kinda play into it. It's also not that hard to clip the ghost without getting biggs in your arc if you're feeling fancy.

I guess I don't see the huge problem here unless you get impatient.

Yeah, I know it sounds like it should be easy, but it's not. And if you're obviously going for the block, they can call it and just turn the other way, putting a 4 or 5 die attack in your face.

It's just not as easy as it looks.

I've beat this list several times, but it's just no fun at all.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:37

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Otisburg posted:

Also their acrylic token/ruler options are overpriced and suck aesthetically compared to others out there.

their netrunner tokens are pretty neat though

# ? Aug 15, 2016 22:57

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

If there's one core mechanic in this game that nags at me, it's the speed of large base ships. My T65 shouldn't be puttering along in a Decimator's dust!

# ? Aug 15, 2016 23:25

canyoneer: Sep 13, 2005; I only have canyoneyes for you

ConfusedUs posted:

You know what I hate flying against? It's not triple jumps or Dengaroo. It's not palp aces.

Both of those lists still play the game of X-Wing. There's still positioning, maneuvering, blocking, and more.

No, what I hate is any Kanan/Biggs list. Here's an example:

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...amed%20Squadron

Other variants use FCS instead of Accuracy Corrector and/or double recon spec instead of Jan.

This list doesn't play X-Wing. It doesn't care about positioning. It doesn't care about dice, even. It just plots along slowly, eating at the health of everything in its range.

You have to get through Biggs' regen, extra evade die, defensive token (an evade in my example, but is a focus in other variants), and Kanan's spend-a-focus-to-reduce-incoming-attacks ability while eating 4x TLT shots a round.

There are absolutely zero choices to made in this fight. You're basically on a timer. You have to kill Biggs, and then Kanan before you get eaten alive by those TLT shots. You can try to donut-hole the ghost but if you guess wrong, you eat a 5-die primary weapon shot.

Soontir does reasonably well against this, as does Inquisitor, but even with them, it's a slog. You have to save all your tokens (plus palp, if you have him) on defense, while plinking slowly through Biggs' health. Then you have to do the same against the ghost itself.

It's like playing against Thug Lyfe, except there are fewer choices and they can't blank a TLT shot here and there.

I just won a store event with this variation:
Ezra Bridger (20)
Rage (1)
"Chopper" (0)
Phantom (0)

Kanan Jarrus (38)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Recon Specialist (3)
Tactician (2)
Tactical Jammer (1)
Ghost (0)

Biggs Darklighter (25)
R4-D6 (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)

Total: 100

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TLT is not at all scary to ships with Autothrusters. PTL aces can sneak right into that donut hole at R1 as well. I got wrecked by a Soontir/Vader/Palp list the first tournament I tried it in, because the guy got right up in my grill and kept Soontir and Vader in the Range 1 out-of-arc donut hole. He also kept up the tempo of attacks, forcing me to spend the focuses on Kanan's ability.

If anyone does end up in your R1 front or rear arc, 5 naked dice attacks without any focus (because you already spent both of them) or rerolls do not have the punch to consistently get through aces with tokens. Inquisitor can keep at R3 all day and evade the turret shots, because a naked TLT volley on a focus/evade/AT inquisitor is going to do zero damage 98% of the time. The Inquisitor is a Ghostbuster, and there are a lot of Inquisitors in lists these days.

HLC brobots with Autothrusters can similarly manage range at R3 really well, and just pour piles of damage on the zero agility Ghost.

So on two really powerful meta archetypes, skilled players have really good answers to everything that makes the list work.

ConfusedUs posted:

I've beat this list several times, but it's just no fun at all.

I dunno, I don't think mirror matches of anything (Palp aces, jumpmasters, swarms) are very fun to watch or participate in either.
Part of the fun in this game for me is list building, thinking "This list needs to do X to win" and seeing the other list and thinking "my opponent needs to do Y to win, so I must keep him from doing Y" in a dynamic way.
When those lists both have the same strengths and weaknesses it doesn't really make it as interesting to me

# ? Aug 15, 2016 23:27

alg: Mar 14, 2007; A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs.

Palp Aces tears apart that Kanan list and is not fun at all to play against, either.

# ? Aug 16, 2016 00:49

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

I played a Palp Aces list at my last league night and boy howdy had I forgotten how easy it makes things.

Roll a lovely attack? Extra crit.

Roll lovely evades? Extra evade.

gently caress this card.

# ? Aug 16, 2016 01:45

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

I'm playing it myself (if I didn't make that clear) and I hate Palpatine.

I was overjoyed when the Lambda got shot down and I had to actually engage another 2% of my brain to fly the aces well.

# ? Aug 16, 2016 01:48

kingcom: Jun 23, 2012

I would be okay with palp aces if they were only tournament legal with a cool-sheevy token.

# ? Aug 16, 2016 02:27

Chill la Chill: Jul 2, 2007; Don't lose your gay

kingcom posted:

I would be okay with palp aces if they were only tournament legal with a cool-sheevy token.

https://www.facebook.com/utleyab/videos/10154498831729589/

Aaron made a bunch of these. http://stelestore.storenvy.com/products/17282517-serve-the-emperor-challenge-coin-game-token

# ? Aug 16, 2016 02:32

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

I AM THE MOON posted:

heh nothing personnel, kid
/

I love how one of his shoulder pads is just falling right off

# ? Aug 16, 2016 02:34

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Geez there's so much negativity you'd tink this was the netrunner thread

# ? Aug 16, 2016 03:12

KongGeorgeVII: Feb 17, 2009; Flow like a
harpoon
daily and nightly.

Which list would you fly? Help me pick something for my casual night tonight.

#1

quote:

VT-49 Decimator: · Rear Admiral Chiraneau (46)
Expose (4)
· Experimental Interface (3)
· Rebel Captive (3)
· Emperor Palpatine (8)
TIE Defender: · Colonel Vessery (35)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)
TIE/x7 (-2)

quote:

VT-49 Decimator: · Rear Admiral Chiraneau (46)
Expose (4)
· Experimental Interface (3)
· Rebel Captive (3)
Weapons Engineer (3)
· Ysanne Isard (4)
TIE Defender: · Colonel Vessery (35)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Tractor Beam (1)
TIE/D (0)

quote:

VT-49 Decimator: · Rear Admiral Chiraneau (46)
Expose (4)
· Experimental Interface (3)
· Rebel Captive (3)
· Emperor Palpatine (8)
TIE Defender: · Countess Ryad (34)
Push The Limit (3)
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)
TIE/x7 (-2)

#1 is probably the most competitive, token stacking on vessery to keep him alive with palp.

#2 seems like fun, vessery getting all the mods and the decimator just tearing up whatever is left, but vessery is a lot more vulnerable.

#3 just because Ryad is fun.

KongGeorgeVII fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Aug 16, 2016

# ? Aug 16, 2016 07:04

ConfusedUs: Feb 24, 2004; Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!

KongGeorgeVII posted:

Which list would you fly? Help me pick something for my casual night tonight.

#1

#2

#3

#1 is probably the most competitive, token stacking on vessery to keep him alive with palp.

#2 seems like fun, vessery getting all the mods and the decimator just tearing up whatever is left, but vessery is a lot more vulnerable.

#3 just because Ryad is fun.

[url]https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!99:57,-1,45,46,21,-1:-1 :3:

;195:18,-1,-1:33:17:&sn=Deci%20Ryad[/url]

Chirpy barrels in and destroys the enemy's ability to hurt Ryad. Ryad cleans up.

I have a hard time with Palp on a Decimator because it's too expensive to keep out of the fight, but if you bring it into the fight, it WILL die. So instead, just gear the thing up to do as much damage as possible in as small a time span as possible.

You can drop Predator for VI if you want to be more arc dodgy with RAC...but you're almost guaranteed to get max damage on every roll with the decimiator I posted. Hard to pass that up.

# ? Aug 16, 2016 08:03

KongGeorgeVII: Feb 17, 2009; Flow like a
harpoon
daily and nightly.

Yeah, I like Vader deci too but you can use palp offensively too in my build. With expose and Palp you have a good chance of getting 2 hits and 2 crits on every attack.

e: #2 is also good because you get to expose even if you get blocked. You can use EI off Ysanne's evade action.

# ? Aug 16, 2016 08:44

The Sean: Apr 17, 2005; Am I handsome now?

I've seen players in videos use a laser pointer for primary firing arcs, etc., but I can't really find one on Amazon that specifically makes a line with the laser. Can anybody help, please?

vvvvvvv Thank you both! vvvvvvvv

The Sean fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Aug 16, 2016

# ? Aug 16, 2016 18:52

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flightless greeb: Jan 28, 2016

I use this one, it works ok https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000...TFdL&ref=plSrch

# ? Aug 16, 2016 18:53

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