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On a separate tangent, something I've just heard about that I don't think came up at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Num2cPut_5Q&t=14166s (3:56:06) McDonnell getting fed up with STRONG AND STABLE and comparing the Tories to Daleks. TBH they probably wanted to use the Daleks' catchphrase. 66: Average STRONG AND STABLE count per minute.
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When Amber Rudd bans all the internet porns this is what you'll get instead.
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May 8, 2017 14:22
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I don't appreciate this post.
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May 8, 2017 14:43
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I'm just going to leave this here again.  NWS for cartoon dickery
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One interesting thing about this campaign is that most of the supposed big figures of Labour - Hilary Benn, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Tom Watson, etc., etc. - have hardly been present in the national campaign. Now it could be because they have no particular status in the party beyond regular MPs, but of course that never stopped them before from dominating the airwaves with various unhelpful stores when they wanted to. Presumably the intention is to do nothing that's seen to hurt the campaign while also contributing nothing of value, although to be honest I'm very grateful they are staying away. The question is, do people think they are planning a fierce comeback in the aftermath of the election, or will this period of silence end up hurting their influence and benefiting MPs like Barry Gardiner and Rebecca Long-Bailey that have actual gotten visibility?
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jabby posted:And finally a 'Newsbeat Youth' debate with an audience of 16-34 year olds on 6th June. Probably the last general election where I'd qualify for the audience of a yoof debate. I'm in mourning. HJB posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Num2cPut_5Q&t=14166s (3:56:06) Proof at last, from the Maoist horse's mouth, that John McDonnell opposes having a strong and stable government, and wants a weak and chaotic government. While also being a Stalinist who will throw us all in gulags. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 15:19 on May 8, 2017 |
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jabby posted:One interesting thing about this campaign is that most of the supposed big figures of Labour - Hilary Benn, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Tom Watson, etc., etc. - have hardly been present in the national campaign. Now it could be because they have no particular status in the party beyond regular MPs, but of course that never stopped them before from dominating the airwaves with various unhelpful stores when they wanted to. It's this one. Short of Labour actually winning the election somehow, the Labour right are going to attempt to overthrow Corbyn again pretty much regardless of how many seats Labour loses. The heartening thing is that they don't seem to have been setting up a candidate so I can't imagine they have anyone they can put up against Corbyn and expect to win, since in my experience the membership is a lot more sick of the PLP's bullshit than they are of Corbyn. Also a bunch of the worst offenders have purged themselves, but that will obviously depend on who has been put in place to replace them and whether they win. On the same topic the NEC might deselect John Woodcock after all due his all but saying he was going to defect to the Tories lol
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Not sure that's heartening. It would at least display competence. If they don't have a candidate they will just continue to sabotage the party. It'll never end. It's how we got here. These dickheads ran a campaign of self-sabotage and then totally failed to actually get rid of their target leaving us and themselves with a party that can't get elected ON ANY PLATFORM.
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The thing is that Cooper hasn't exactly vanished away, she's just not participating in the national campaign and instead is getting friendly journo's to write copy for her at a more regional level. See for example Richard Heller's piece in the yorkshire post which is pretty much "Cooper is our only hope and then only if every labour backbencher stabs Corbyn in the back on Thursday." http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...do-it-1-8527482
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Speaking of Hillary Benn, he was in York today speaking at the launch of the York Outer candidates campaign (a 21 year old Oxford graduate). So he's around, just backing future allies of his (York outer is a Tory ace seat, buy got to get those hopeless candidacy's in before you can stand in an actual good seat by the New Labour playbook)
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May 8, 2017 16:18
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I will vote against Corbyn in a leadership challenge if the Labour Party loses and he doesn't resign.
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May 8, 2017 16:19
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Latest Tory adverts: https://twitter.com/alexGspence/status/861574743727775744 Interesting that the Tories are putting out adverts that could be interpreted as "Trump and Brexit were bad things."
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Another Eastern European coming over here and undercutting a hard-working Britquote:Dan Evans says he still considers himself to be the British number three - despite being overtaken by Aljaz Bedene in the world rankings.
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I'd be baffled too as to why anyone in their right would want to represent the UK
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Oi that's a cheeky oval office. Imo naturalisation should be banned for sportspeople. Or parents of potential sportspeople, get some genetic testing up in here. Never again would we have to listen an obviously foreign-named athlete being called British.
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IMO someone who has gone through the expense, stress and effort of gaining UK citizenship is far more British than someone who just happened to be born here by accident and rolled with it.
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jabby posted:One interesting thing about this campaign is that most of the supposed big figures of Labour - Hilary Benn, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Tom Watson, etc., etc. - have hardly been present in the national campaign. Now it could be because they have no particular status in the party beyond regular MPs, but of course that never stopped them before from dominating the airwaves with various unhelpful stores when they wanted to. If Labour loses this election then as soon as the results come in, people are going to say that Corbyn should go right now. That would leave the Deputy Leader, Tom Watson, in charge of the party while an election contest is held, with the new leader announced just before the party conference in September. This is pretty much what happened in 2015, with Ed M quitting and letting the Deputy Leader, Harriet Harman, take over until the new leader came in, although Miliband quit of his own accord (but he'd have faced demands to go if he hadn't, I reckon). I doubt personally that there is a coherent plan to get a new centreist (<- whatever word you prefer) leader in as they've been too incompetent to do anything like that so far. However, I don't know who the left would have in mind either, assuming Corbyn doesn't try to stay on - McDonnell and Abbott have too much baggage, maybe Thornberry? Or maybe everyone could actually unite around Clive Lewis? I know some people don't like him because of disloyalty, but a left-winger who the Blairites can feel good about might be the best thing for the party in my humble opinion. But I'm sure the plan on the part of the people you name is to be as good as gold until polling day and then announce at around 11pm on June 8 that Corbyn must go, right now.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Latest Tory adverts: Literally didn't think it was a Tory poster on first reading. I interpreted the last line as meaning that we couldn't risk those things happening if Corbyn didn't win.
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big scary monsters posted:IMO someone who has gone through the expense, stress and effort of gaining UK citizenship is far more British than someone who just happened to be born here by accident and rolled with it. Claiming some sort of greatness based on imagined toil you had nothing to do with is like the most British thing ever though
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Paxman posted:If Labour loses this election then as soon as the results come in, people are going to say that Corbyn should go right now. That would leave the Deputy Leader, Tom Watson, in charge of the party while an election contest is held, with the new leader announced just before the party conference in September. Just to add, Blair announced he was resigning but then stayed on for six weeks or so while the leadership election took place ("election" with one candidate). So there's the option of holding a leadership contest but trying to ensure the left never loses control of the party, by having Corbyn stay on until a new (possibly left wing) leader is elected. So if we assume Corbyn will agree to resign, which isn't certain, the question of when he actually stands down is important because it determines whether the right/centre, ie Tom Watson, have the leadership for a bit.
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May and husband are on the one show tomorrow night. So there's some nice prime time coverage for them without any threat of awkward questions or any real political engagement.
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jabby posted:They won't be appearing together, but apparently the audience will be asking them the same questions and the Beeb will play both answers before going to the next question. So people will be able to directly compare them. This is stupid. Honestly seems like it would of been better for Corbyn to refuse until a proper debate was agreed upon. At least then he could contentiously call her out on how stupid her refusal to debate is.
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Dabir posted:Why was that? hosed if i know. i don't understand anything about how Mélenchon thinks. but he obviously doesn't buy into the idea that fascism is uniquely abhorrent and its presence in the democratic process is illegitimate as distinct from whatever the other candidates represent. which is nice.
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Paxman posted:Just to add, Blair announced he was resigning but then stayed on for six weeks or so while the leadership election took place ("election" with one candidate). So there's the option of holding a leadership contest but trying to ensure the left never loses control of the party, by having Corbyn stay on until a new (possibly left wing) leader is elected. Considering Corbyn wanted to be leader so he could push for the leadership nomination system to be changed, and that hasn't happened yet, I'd have expected him to at least stay until this year's Conference is done, general election or not He's there because he wants to change the way the party works, not just because he thinks he's the guy to take Labour to the top. Losing the election would obviously be bad and he'd face the greatest backlash so far, but it would be nothing new and that hasn't broken him yet. If he still has a goal to reform the party and a timetable for doing it, I can easily see him sticking to it. He's a strong person, fighting for a principle in a job he didn't really want to do
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/simondanczuk/status/861606075107336192 Good loving riddance.
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Firos posted:Good loving riddance. "You can't fire me, I quit!!!"
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MikeCrotch posted:"You can't fire me, I quit!!!" "...but have to make sure that everyone knows how not-owned i am... wait, McDonnell said something about Karl Marx! Yes! That's why I'm quitting! Also somehow there's a vacancy for the PPC for Rochdale, best not dwell on how that happened, but it's probably still a bad thing!"
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I always love someone presenting "walking before getting pushed" as some great principled resignation. Simon, mate, your resignation would have mattered more before you spent nearly 2 years fumbling from one sleazy scandal to the next. What an utter fud. Paxman posted:Just to add, Blair announced he was resigning but then stayed on for six weeks or so while the leadership election took place ("election" with one candidate). So there's the option of holding a leadership contest but trying to ensure the left never loses control of the party, by having Corbyn stay on until a new (possibly left wing) leader is elected. And yeah, I can't see Corbyn giving Watson temporary control of the party, him staying on during the leadership contest seems likely. Part that isn't talked about, if Corbyn does go after a humbling election defeat in June should Watson also step down? Or at least put himself forward as a forward in a new deputy leadership contest? It's not as if he's done much of note in his position. Try to stab the leader in the back but manage to drop the knife.
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dr_rat posted:This is stupid. Honestly seems like it would of been better for Corbyn to refuse until a proper debate was agreed upon. At least then he could contentiously call her out on how stupid her refusal to debate is. The questions will very likely all be terrible QT–quality nonsense, of course.
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Paxman posted:However, I don't know who the left would have in mind either, assuming Corbyn doesn't try to stay on - McDonnell and Abbott have too much baggage, maybe Thornberry? It won't matter because there's no way in hell they ever nominate another Leftie to "The widen the debate" now they know they can actually win. We'll get a Centrist or Two and whoever wants to keep flying Blair's tarnished flag.
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Today the Tories are saying that the lib dems and labour are "Scheming" to destroy the UK. And that yesterday Brussels is "supporting the Labour party to destroy the UK". It's like living in the 1930s, jesus christ.
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forkboy84 posted:I always love someone presenting "walking before getting pushed" as some great principled resignation. Simon, mate, your resignation would have mattered more before you spent nearly 2 years fumbling from one sleazy scandal to the next. What an utter fud. Tom Watson is really, really unpopular amongst the membership so it probably wouldn't go terribly well for him. Taear posted:Today the Tories are saying that the lib dems and labour are "Scheming" to destroy the UK. something something the paradox of fascism is that your country is simultaneously strong yet at the same time under terminal threat something something
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/861569750274650112 e: and another one https://twitter.com/PopulusPolls/status/861625739376021507 LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 18:19 on May 8, 2017 |
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I'm shocked the media has been playing up a bad interview with Diane Abbot more than Theresa May literally locking journalists in cupboards to avoid getting asked any questions and the damning report by the UN on Britain's human rights record.
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forkboy84 posted:Part that isn't talked about, if Corbyn does go after a humbling election defeat in June should Watson also step down? Or at least put himself forward as a forward in a new deputy leadership contest? It's not as if he's done much of note in his position. Try to stab the leader in the back but manage to drop the knife. I have nothing to go on but a hunch, but I suspect that when biographies are written of these days Watson will come out quite well as someone working desperately behind the scenes to hold the party together.
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LemonDrizzle posted:e: and another one That's a poo poo poll question. We can tell it's a poo poo poll question, by asking what happens if somebody tries to answer it in a partisan fashion- for a good poll question, this shouldn't make any difference. For a bad poll question, it massively skews things. Have you heard of "A promise of strong and stable leadership" Which party promised this? Well, as a partisan, it doesn't matter whether you've heard of it or not. You say your party said it. And you say the same for anything that sounds vaguely good, then you say anything that sounds vaguely bad was the opposition. Since the Conservatives actually said it, their partisans get counted along with the people who actually did know about the story. If you look at a better poll question like "Which party leader would make the best prime minister?" It doesn't matter a jot if the respondent answers in a partisan fashion.
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MikeCrotch posted:Tom Watson is really, really unpopular amongst the membership so it probably wouldn't go terribly well for him.  Probably a long-overdue smilie.
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