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The Muppets On PCP posted:the rest of the country isn't a giant suburb of dc the point is that there are tons of "safe" Rs running unopposed that are only safe because Dems are really bad at elections
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Gringostar posted:way more then just dc suburbs were flipped in VA dude Plus it’s not like the country lacks for suburbs or suburban districts.
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Dec 14, 2017 06:39
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Nick Saban, head coach for the University of Alabama football team received 20,500 write-in votes for the election to replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions
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Dec 14, 2017 07:46
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:Nick Saban, head coach for the University of Alabama football team received 20,500 write-in votes for the election to replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions You saying nobody scratched in "TRUMP" on their ballots?
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:Nick Saban, head coach for the University of Alabama football team received 20,500 write-in votes for the election to replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions I wonder how many votes Nick Sagan got from bad spellers.
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Dec 14, 2017 08:03
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:Nick Saban, head coach for the University of Alabama football team received 20,500 write-in votes for the election to replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions ROLL TIDE
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Gringostar posted:way more then just dc suburbs were flipped in VA dude like five officially, two in richmond, two in hampton roads, and one in roanoke every other district that flipped was in nova
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Gringostar posted:that more than anything else is probably why dems went from what happened with the jon "data center" ossoff gently caress up to how VA turned out WaPo reporting that the dems are taking exactly this message from Jones winning lol
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Dec 14, 2017 10:07
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heres a hot take centrists are gonna say its centrists that win and lefties are gonna say its grassroots that win
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there really aren't that many lessons to learn from this election beyond "pay attention to black voters" and "gotv is really important you guys" doug jones' victory is weird because it couldn't have happened without him running an extremely robust campaign, and it also couldn't have happened without the stars aligning perfectly within the chaos timeline to give him the worst possible opponent at the best possible time
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Dec 14, 2017 11:22
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That being said what does Doug Jones want to accomplish as senator?
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HorseRenoir posted:"gotv is really important you guys" You would have thought that people would get this in their heads after the election of Barack goddamn Obama
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:Nick Saban, head coach for the University of Alabama football team received 20,500 write-in votes for the election to replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions 20500 Auburn fans spotted
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Dec 14, 2017 12:29
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Grouchio posted:That being said what does Doug Jones want to accomplish as senator? being seated in less than 2 7/8 years
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gradenko_2000 posted:You would have thought that people would get this in their heads after the election of Barack goddamn Obama Actually these very well paid consultants have proven that this super expensive computer program will let us win just over 50% in a maximal amount of districts from the comfort of our very expensive office, which is just so ~efficient~, and as a bonus we don't need the loving proles either. 
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HorseRenoir posted:there really aren't that many lessons to learn from this election beyond "pay attention to black voters" and "gotv is really important you guys" "Candidate credibility matters"
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Grouchio posted:That being said what does Doug Jones want to accomplish as senator? He specifically pointed to restoring CHIP funding in his speech.
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did the pedo still not concede lol
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/nick-saban-gutless-coward-silence-roy-moore-article-1.3697185 drat
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alnilam posted:did the pedo still not concede lol the election results are still young
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Jose posted:WaPo reporting that the dems are taking exactly this message from Jones winning lol I dunno, I think that if you wrench people too far to one side or the other they tend to get uncomfortable. Going all left will put off more people than it will gather, just because of the backlash effect. Go in the center, attract more people, gradually convince them that the grass is greener on the left. Or let them suffer under the yoke of the right for long enough that they just revolt. But that can be very messy and people get hurt and economies and innovation dies. I may be a democratic socialist in my mind but I'm a humanist at heart.
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ashpanash posted:I dunno, I think that if you wrench people too far to one side or the other they tend to get uncomfortable. Going all left will put off more people than it will gather, just because of the backlash effect. Go in the center, attract more people, gradually convince them that the grass is greener on the left. This isn't exactly wrong - the reason why Capital-C Centrism is getting thrown around as a noun nowadays is because there are these people who think that "Centrist" politics are a immutable set of policies (that in the American context date back to somewhere around the Clinton-to-Obama eras) rather than an ever-shifting set of goals as a compromise to the radical end of the spectrum. That is to say, Bernie Sanders doesn't want to usher in Full Communism Now, but that still means Medicare-For-All is the "centrist" position relative to the desires of the public and the alternatives. Keeping-and-tweaking Obamacare is the Capital-C Centrist position, and that's the lovely one because it refuses to acknowledge that the needs and the demands of the populace have changed.
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Grouchio posted:That being said what does Doug Jones want to accomplish as senator? He's a pro-choice Dem from Alabama. That is a loving miracle in itself. His vote may protect Planned Parenthood from being defunded this Congress. I want more, but this is a good start.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:indeed. and the culture war poo poo from the right won't win them dick. no one cares outside about that poo poo outside brokebrain alt right fuckheads and evangelicals and white supremacists. unfortunately I have to disagree the cultural wars got trump elected, and when you are a president with 37% approval, standing firmly behind a bunch of 50/50 issues gets you a lot closer to 50% of the vote
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another hot take: I actually don't think centrist vs left debate matters that much in 2018, since it's a congressional election year you can just run berniecrats in districts which favors them and centrists in the suburbs or whatever that favors them, both sides can get enough to be satisfied and a victory will likely take the sting out of any perceived slights between the two factions. come 2020 though yeah the knives are gonna be out
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gradenko_2000 posted:This isn't exactly wrong - the reason why Capital-C Centrism is getting thrown around as a noun nowadays is because there are these people who think that "Centrist" politics are a immutable set of policies (that in the American context date back to somewhere around the Clinton-to-Obama eras) rather than an ever-shifting set of goals as a compromise to the radical end of the spectrum. Bernie is closer to true centrism then almost every american politician.
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punk rebel ecks posted:This has never been true for any generation. it was true for the boomers
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Lawman 0 posted:Bernie is closer to true centrism then almost every american politician. Which is proof of how far right the center has moved.
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Matt Zerella posted:Which is proof of how far right the center has moved. I know right? 
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Years of Democrats going to the negotiating table starting at a compromise making Bernard-O look like a commie. Radical Centrism FTW!
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Obama was a centrist and he utterly destroyed the brains of half the country while the other half settled gently into Sorkinism A sincere commie will do better than an insincere centrist. People's #1 issue with Obama was that he didn't kill all the bankers. Just promise people blood and change and you'll be fine, and at the local level hammer away on the boring local stuff that people care about like roads
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:Nick Saban, head coach for the University of Alabama football team received 20,500 write-in votes for the election to replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions Still a better candidate than Roy Moore.
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https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/941349659343175680 Like I said, happy as hell Moore lost but LOL if you think Jones is some kind of progressive hope.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:Nick Saban, head coach for the University of Alabama football team received 20,500 write-in votes for the election to replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions is there a source for this or are we creating our own reality
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mastershakeman posted:is there a source for this or are we creating our own reality it was some random article that i cant find any more, starting to think its bullshit because thats almost all the write ins
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mastershakeman posted:is there a source for this or are we creating our own reality The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:it was some random article that i cant find any more, starting to think its bullshit because thats almost all the write ins I choose to believe it because it's funny.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:it was some random article that i cant find any more, starting to think its bullshit because thats almost all the write ins there was a campaign for disaffected republicans to write him in so it makes sense
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bump_fn posted:The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." did you give him a swirly? Because while I don’t condone bullying that sounds like he was really asking for a swirly.
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I'm worried about McCaskill and Donnelly, but my vote actually matters for once in the latter's case and he's built some goodwill among farmers in my area for constituent services. He's also been good at sending representatives to county meetings down here in southern Indiana, and there's some legacy blue dogs that might flip back if the narrative is mostly on Republican corruption and plutocracy. loving Todd Young just reassures us that he rises for the Pledge of Allegiance like a good boy. The trouble is both those senators squeaked by because their opponents kept tap-dancing on the rape landmine in 2012. Probably won't get that lucky next year. Still, damned if I ain't gonna go down swingin'. Just kinda dawned on me that Jones probably knee-capped the GOP's apparent plan of repealing the ACA in the lame duck next year with the 2019 reconciliation bill out of spite. Jones may not benefit a hypothetical Dem president in 2021, but his mere presence will make the next year a lot less devastating than it could have been, especially with "welfare/entitlement reform" being threatened. Not that I particularly trust Collins or Murkowski after this tax bullshit, but I'd rather rely on them for survival than McCain's tumor and Paul's Paulness.
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