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optimistic Cowboy speculation based on nothing but hope. Maybe he's still shooting the netflix series and the first makeup was right after his character is injured and today's makeup is after it healed up a bit?
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I think one of the journalists asked the fighters if they were scared of publicly supporting a union. https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/804075534850330624
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Nov 30, 2016 22:34
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lol, good luck https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/804076549347667970
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https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/804076990064185345
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Nov 30, 2016 22:38
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Comrades Cowboy and Kennedy are leading the people into a bright future.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:40
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WME-IMG may not have the reflexive hatred for unions that the Fertittas did, but considering how much they paid for it and their stated profit goals, I have to think they're going to fight this tooth and nail. Going from 8% revenue to 50% is going to require an enormous increase in TV rights fees in 2018 to come close to keeping the rest of the pie the same size.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:43
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Uh. Most sports are not a 50-50 split
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Plus they also want a restitution settlement for all previous fighters in the UFC.
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Something disastrous must have happened with Jeff Boris and the PFA. They said they had it all lined up and ready to go to make an announcement pre-205 and introduce a fighters board.... then, nothing. Then the lawyer quit, and we have this instead. Either Bjorn and CAA came in and talked the fighters into going with them instead, or Jeff Boris did something stupid to piss the fighters off.
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fatherdog posted:WME-IMG may not have the reflexive hatred for unions that the Fertittas did, but considering how much they paid for it and their stated profit goals, I have to think they're going to fight this tooth and nail. Going from 8% revenue to 50% is going to require an enormous increase in TV rights fees in 2018 to come close to keeping the rest of the pie the same size. you are too smart to believe the 8% figure any more than schaub's 7% figure about a year ago also https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/804078650635206656
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:you are too smart to believe the 8% figure any more than schaub's 7% figure about a year ago Well, yeah, but I don't believe it's anywhere near 50% either, and that money is gonna have to come from somewhere.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:46
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Le Saboteur posted:Plus they also want a restitution settlement for all previous fighters in the UFC. I'm laughing at it, but I don't think they are doing the wrong thing. In any negotiation you should usually ask for way more than you think you can get.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:47
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MLB's revenue split is now sub 40% and has been steadily dropping for years.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:48
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Rigel posted:I'm laughing at it, but I don't think they are doing the wrong thing. In any negotiation you should usually ask for way more than you think you can get. Yep, you reach for the stars and if you only get 75% of the way there, hey, you made out great.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:49
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https://twitter.com/MMAFighting/status/804079693255364611 Uhhh.... what? You just said you wanted a CBA similar to MLB. Associations, legally speaking, are weak and next to worthless. They don't get CBA's, unions do, you dumbshit. Hopefully he's off the reservation and his lawyer will quietly educate him later, or this is a waste of time.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:50
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Rigel posted:Associations, legally speaking, are weak and next to worthless. They don't get CBA's, unions do, you dumbshit. Hopefully he's off the reservation and his lawyer will quietly educate him later, or this is a waste of time. https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/804079534991671296
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Also an excellent dog murderer
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https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/804080354629976064 How are you going to strike without a union? When you have a union, the UFC has to follow the rules of the NLRB and they are forced to bargain in good faith, etc. Without a union, they can say "fine, don't fight. We have dozens of others willing to take your place", and this association will break.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:54
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We are not a union, also we're going to go on strike.
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fatherdog posted:WME-IMG may not have the reflexive hatred for unions that the Fertittas did, but considering how much they paid for it and their stated profit goals, I have to think they're going to fight this tooth and nail. Going from 8% revenue to 50% is going to require an enormous increase in TV rights fees in 2018 to come close to keeping the rest of the pie the same size. I mean, they are already aiming for a 300% increase in rights fees
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Rigel posted:https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/804080354629976064 I also love that Rebney was the one to pull out that card, seeing as he is not a fighter and has absolutely nothing to lose by doing this.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:56
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This is an unmitigated disaster for the fighters. You want to be employees of a league, not independent contractors.
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https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/804082747685949456 oh okay
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"Should we go with the guy who has decades of experience extracting money from wealthy sports leagues worth billions and who has received the endorsement of all the major player associations, or should we go with Bjorn Rebney and this association?" "Hmmm, tough decision. I don't trust this newcomer with the PFA and baseball's a dumb sport anyway. The MMAAA's shield logo is badass, lets go with the Bellator guy! Union, association, whatever, its probably the same thing to us!"
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Bjorn may have a bad rap from Bellator, but he's a great lawyer and union rep. He's really looking out for the little guys, from the bottom of his heart. Best promoter of all time. In fact, I bet if he had my dog somewhere right now, he wouldn't do anything bad to it, because he knows that dog is family to us and we'd be devestated. And Bjorn Rebney is a great guy, much better than Dana White. Her name is Rosy, by the way. Here's a picture of my daughter hugging Rosy, look how happy they are. We love her. Sorry I'm not crying, just really miss my dog... from this hotel...
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The labor lawyer who quit PFA is warning these guys that if they try and collude to "strike" without forming a union, then THEY could actually be sued by the UFC for anti-trust violations.
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I wish there was footage of the moment someone said "maybe we should get Bjorn Rebney"
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Rigel posted:The labor lawyer who quit PFA is warning these guys that if they try and collude to "strike" without forming a union, then THEY could actually be sued by the UFC for anti-trust violations. Leave it to a labor organization founded in part by Tim Kennedy to have a really atrocious understanding of the fundamentals of striking
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Bluedeanie posted:Leave it to a labor organization founded in part by Tim Kennedy to have a really atrocious understanding of the fundamentals of striking 
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sportsgenius86 posted:I wish there was footage of the moment someone said "maybe we should get Bjorn Rebney" I wish someone had footage of Dana when he hears "tim kennedy, tj dillashaw, cain, and a one eyed donald cerrone are thinking about going on strike"
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Bluedeanie posted:Leave it to a labor organization founded in part by Tim Kennedy to have a really atrocious understanding of the fundamentals of striking
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Bluedeanie posted:Leave it to a labor organization founded in part by Tim Kennedy to have a really atrocious understanding of the fundamentals of striking 
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Did Rebney really say he gave 53% of revenue to fighters when he was with Bellator because 
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-Atom- posted:I mean, they are already aiming for a 300% increase in rights fees They are negotiating from an unreasonable high to get what they want. Art of the Deal baby. Dana should know.
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CortezFantastic posted:They are negotiating from an unreasonable high to get what they want. Art of the Deal baby. Dana should know. PLUS they are relinquishing the option of doing their own production
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The only thing the MMAAA could legally do is try to sue the UFC on behalf of all fighters for..... reasons and such. Which they will obviously lose. They can't strike, if they try and ask the UFC to bargain a CBA, the UFC will tell them to gently caress off. Which leaves them with yelling "we're angry, pay us more! Please?" The organization would then be discredited, fighters will say "gently caress this, shits not working", quit the MMAAA to avoid retaliation, and they'll be set back another several years until they wake up and realize that our labor laws only empower legally recognized unions to force a negotiation with employers.
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Why is Tim Kennedy involved? I thought if you were left in tremendous distress by combat for little fiscal reward you were supposed to suck it up and stop being a pussy.
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I'm picturing this conversation a few weeks from now when they hire a labor lawyer for a consultation. Lawyer: So you are not forming a union? 5 fighters: Yep, we talked about it with Bjorn who used to run Bellator, and we like free agency and threatening to go to Bellator. By the way, how do we get the UFC to the bargaining table, we have a list of demands after they sold for $4B with a new TV deal coming up. Lawyer: You don't. The UFC can ignore you. 5 fighters: Huh? Wait, Baseball and Football have to negotiate with their players, why doesn't the UFC have to listen to us when we get together? Lawyer: They are unions recognized and certified by the NLRB. You are a group of dumb angry fighters who have no special protections aside from whats in your contract. The UFC can cut all of you tomorrow. 5 fighters: Hey Bjorn, why the gently caress did you tell us not to form a union?
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