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Bilirubin posted:Good news! Orlando will be February's BotM! Yeah, that's why I'm reading it 😎 also disregard what I said about setting myself up for disappointment, I've read the first 20 pages and already know I'm going to have a blast
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fridge corn posted:Trying to come up with a lit rec for a fantasy reader and coming up short I realised I don't really have a clue what itches the sprawling high fantasy epics scratch these bitches need beowulf
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fridge corn posted:Trying to come up with a lit rec for a fantasy reader and coming up short I realised I don't really have a clue what itches the sprawling high fantasy epics scratch lost in postation posted:Very fanciful historical fiction like Salammbô or classic adventure serials like Féval's The Hunchback seem like they would bridge the gap gently while introducing the fantasy reader to significantly better prose than what they're used to This is correct for the people looking for some rollicking good times sort of series. The sort of tedious nerds who take Grrm's tax policy garbage to heart should be reading actual histories. They think poo poo like the red wedding is cool or characters like Dany or Varys they're going to be losing their minds when they read about Simon de Montfort. And unlike a novel real life actually keeps going so instead of future and past events being barely sketched you can keep going and be even more amazed when you realize his son became the de facto leader of England after his father failed to conquer southern France.
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I genuinely prefer Calvino’s Cosmicomics to Borges, though they’re a mite bit less cerebral.
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Cosmicomics being overtly comic is to it's detriment. The fact Borges plays even the most outlandish and unorthodox ideas totally straight is a large part of his appeal. There are certain circuit breaker areas of thought that when crossed people tend to instantly dismiss the ideas or concepts expressed, Borges manages to bowl right passed those lines with such force and covertness that you consider ideas that are "silly" or "impossible" with the same level of scrutiny and diligence that you would in reading a white paper. That lends itself to a reoccurence in the mind, I often find myself rolling the Library of Babel, the Judas story or the Zahir around in my brain while I do not for the moon cheese paradigm. I do find myself thinking about Invisible Cities more than I thought I would after having read it and not being particularly impressed, although it's more in the realm of thinking about new cities rather than any of the ones presented in the work.
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olorum posted:Like some others in the thread I've been recently reading To the Lighthouse, just finished it and it's some of the best prose I've ever read. Kinda wish this wasn't my first Woolf novel because now I'm afraid I'll be disappointed by the other ones. I'll probably be reading Orlando next highly recommend the 1992 Tilda Swinton Orlando film. Takes an already weird story and turns it into a complete phantasmagoria.
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Cephas posted:highly recommend the 1992 Tilda Swinton Orlando film. Takes an already weird story and turns it into a complete phantasmagoria. Oh I love that movie. Took my poor uncle to see it, he was terribly confused, not having any previous knowledge of the book or caring for anything that wasn’t the lowest common denominator type culture. I am not using spoilers for a thirty year old movie, the final scene with Jimmy Somerville playing an angel and flying around while singing I Feel Love really broke my uncle. The only person that had a worse experience going to the movies with me was my at the time girlfriend who I took to see Crash. And I mean the Cronenberg one, not the Oscar winning one. It’s based on a JG Ballard novel and it is extremely concerned with loving people’s car crash wounds, among a host of other erotic considerations relating to vehicular misadventures. That relationship didn’t last long afterwards, do I even need to say. My personal worst experience was probably seeing another movie based on a book, namely Sphere, which was an adaptation of Michael Crichton’s novel. The movie itself is I guess okay, a third rate Solaris, but the underwater scenes were too much for me. I was very stoned and had a major freak out at the cinema, which was not helped by my friend who thought he had trouble breathing “because of the depth”. That was definitely my worst experience with a movie. Either that or another adaptation, Out of Sight, the crime drama based on Elmore Leonard’s novel. I went to see it three times and fell asleep each and every time before the first third of the movie expired. A couple of years ago I caught it on tv and promptly fell asleep. The moral of the story is avoid book adaptations like the plague, someone is bound to have a very bad time with them. Just read books and forget cinema was ever invented.
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Cephas posted:highly recommend the 1992 Tilda Swinton Orlando film. Takes an already weird story and turns it into a complete phantasmagoria. I haven't read the novel itself yet, but the film owns
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Thought you were talking Out of the Past for a second and I was going to have to do some damage.
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Orlando's easily Woolf's funniest novel, the film's surprisingly faithful (and includes Billy Zane)
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i told myself that i had read enough danish literature for a while so it's time to give swedish a go, and then Solvej Balle has another volume out + i also end up buying a tome by Theis Ørntoft
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reading Knausgaard and am pleased to discover that memes aside Knausgaard is really really good
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also someone the other day accused me of tricking LGBTQ people into reading about rape trauma because I recommended them 100 Years of Solitude
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just started in on Don Quixote and it is very funny and difficult to put down, but Orlando month is coming up, and now Mel reminds me about the copy of 100 Years waiting on the pile...too many good books to read. Which Knausgaard?
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Bilirubin posted:just started in on Don Quixote and it is very funny and difficult to put down, but Orlando month is coming up, and now Mel reminds me about the copy of 100 Years waiting on the pile...too many good books to read. The Morning Star
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I really enjoyed the chapters with the priest, but wasn’t enthralled with the rest of it
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Mel Mudkiper posted:also someone the other day accused me of tricking LGBTQ people into reading about rape trauma because I recommended them 100 Years of Solitude You should recommend they read Sayaka Murata's Earthlings instead which I just started reading 
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Mel Mudkiper posted:also someone the other day accused me of tricking LGBTQ people into reading about rape trauma because I recommended them 100 Years of Solitude lol where do you find these people
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ulvir posted:lol where do you find these people they accused me of peddling pretentious misery porn and its like, marquez is the most accessible writer I know. They also read the wiki synopsis of the ending instead of reading the book to "prove" that I was trying to trick them into reading misery porn
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Tbf you are bringing misery porn into this thread making us read about these nimrods
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Sometimes people freak out when I tell them that there are authors who don’t use quotation marks. A few of them become outright angry.quote:Yeah, 'art' authors tend to get famous for a while. Bit of a flash in the pan though. And most of us poor folk don't really care about them. They're for rich people, and their books sit unread in libraries. Books that it's more important to own than actual read.
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Source pls lol
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FPyat posted:Sometimes people freak out when I tell them that there are authors who don’t use quotation marks. A few of them become outright angry. I'm sorry, could you add some quotation marks to that quote. I don't read avant-garde and anti popular posts
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FPyat posted:Sometimes people freak out when I tell them that there are authors who don’t use quotation marks. A few of them become outright angry. Lmao
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I just realized they name dropped the animorphs lady as a voice that influences generations
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FPyat posted:Sometimes people freak out when I tell them that there are authors who don’t use quotation marks. A few of them become outright angry. jesus christ
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Bilirubin posted:just started in on Don Quixote and it is very funny and difficult to put down Rabelais, Prologue to Gargantua and Pantagruel posted:Did you ever pick the lock of a cupboard to steal a bottle of wine out of it? Tell me truly, and, if you did, call to mind the countenance which then you had. Or, did you ever see a dog with a marrowbone in his mouth,—the beast of all other, says Plato, lib. 2, de Republica, the most philosophical? If you have seen him, you might have remarked with what devotion and circumspectness he wards and watcheth it: with what care he keeps it: how fervently he holds it: how prudently he gobbets it: with what affection he breaks it: and with what diligence he sucks it. To what end all this? What moveth him to take all these pains? What are the hopes of his labour? What doth he expect to reap thereby? Nothing but a little marrow. True it is, that this little is more savoury and delicious than the great quantities of other sorts of meat, because the marrow (as Galen testifieth, 5. facult. nat. & 11. de usu partium) is a nourishment most perfectly elaboured by nature.
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nice obelisk idiot posted:I love early modern stuff. People were better then. Except when they weren't. I always liked that Inferno includes the line "he made a bugle of his bunghole"
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FPyat posted:Sometimes people freak out when I tell them that there are authors who don’t use quotation marks. A few of them become outright angry. quote:They're for rich people, quote:and their books sit unread in libraries. ??? If it's in libraries you can read it for free
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Heath posted:??? If it's in libraries you can read it for free well yeah thats why it sits unread
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FPyat posted:Sometimes people freak out when I tell them that there are authors who don’t use quotation marks. A few of them become outright angry. I have recently noticed this idea that its somehow proletariat to read trash fiction and its somehow bourgeois to assert fiction should have a higher aesthetic and moral purpose than to merely be a product to be consumed. Which is strange, to suggest that it is somehow in the best interests of the working class to exclusively read escapism that doesnt force them to confront the realities of their own life, or at best, is simply disposable distraction to be consumed thoughtlessly like a cheeseburger
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I have recently noticed this idea that its somehow proletariat to read trash fiction and its somehow bourgeois to assert fiction should have a higher aesthetic and moral purpose than to merely be a product to be consumed. The real issue they have is being perceived as pretentious (literally the worst possible thing) and having a bourgeois aesthetic (the other worst possible thing) Also goons (and millennials generally) are still absolutely loving seething about having been made to read A Separate Peace in high school, still loving hate their English teacher, and have just sort of carried it with them for the rest of time that "real" books are all of exactly that caliber and that they've had enough and will have no more, thank you, sir, and good day!
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Heath posted:The real issue they have is being perceived as pretentious (literally the worst possible thing) and having a bourgeois aesthetic (the other worst possible thing) The person i was talking to who accused 100 Years of Solitude of inflicting said it was stupid to read books that are sad because life is already sad I should also note they were saying it to defend reading Warhammer books
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In the grim darkness of Macondo, there is only ice
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Mel Mudkiper posted:they accused me of peddling pretentious misery porn and its like, marquez is the most accessible writer I know. If you were trying to trick them into reading misery porn, surely you would've chosen La increíble y triste historia de la cándida Eréndira y de su abuela desalmada.
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mdemone posted:In the grim darkness of Macondo, there is only ice lmao. The funniest part was they accused me of being a contrarian who hates anything popular because I dont like Warhammer and recommended Gabriel Garcia Marquez. Which suggests such a profoundly intellectually stunted worldview. Imagine thinking extremely niche military sci-fi has a broader cultural significance than ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF SOLITUDE a Nobel Prize winning Oprahs Book club book
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Mel Mudkiper posted:lmao. I haven't read any Warhams but I bet they're better than 100 anos etc.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:If you were trying to trick them into reading misery porn, surely you would've chosen La increíble y triste historia de la cándida Eréndira y de su abuela desalmada. fraud detected thats a short story not a book try again
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It's a dumb discourse for many reasons but especially because there are actually a few WH books that are quite enjoyable and even re-readable. You know what you're getting and sometimes that's not a bad thing.
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