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RoboBoogie
Sep 18, 2008

a dingus posted:

drat I was hoping there was just a way to cut and splice a new portion of fiber onto. I guess just running ethernet down is an option. After I looked at the installation and how the wires were routed, its definitely a shorter run to my new office than to the old. It looks like if I just carefully pull the wire back out of the wall and run it to the new spot I should be OK with reusing the original stuff. Fingers crossed.

You could call the provider to see if they can do it for you, even for a fee.

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Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


RoboBoogie posted:

You could call the provider to see if they can do it for you, even for a fee.

Yeah they might not be able to do it as you want but they at least got it in there correctly once before.

I'm lazy so I'd go with either this or running some cat6 between the two rooms.

Also keep in mind that the current entry hole should be sealed so you'll have to break that seal without damaging the fiber line at all and then reseal the old hole properly which is fiddly bullshit I don't care to deal with

editor
Feb 4, 2007

a dingus posted:

Hey all, I'm building a new office and I need to move my fiber optic modem/receiver into the new office room. That means I have to run a line through the wall and install a wall plate etc. But I have no idea how to do this with fiber. Are there any special keystone connectors, or methods for cutting and/or splicing a fiber cable if I need to? With Ethernet I'd just get cat6 and terminate it at the wall.

assuming you have some sort of PON service. some things to check first:
  • your ISP might be willing to send out a tech to rerun it for you. higher likelihood if they're a smaller ISP
  • the fiber going into your ONT is typically simplex single-mode with a (green) SC/APC connector (share a pic?)
  • the fiber might have the specs printed on the insulation/jacket, so double check there
with those in mind, you can couple the existing line to a keystone and run a new jumper to the ONT at the new location.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Ok then
Yeah a coupler and a short fiber to where you want it is going to be easier than asking the ISP to come out again, if the cable is loose enough to just move it.

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo
Just to put this here because you all might enjoy it.

FiOS said they upgraded my service to 200Mbps like 4 years ago. Still seeing 100Mbps speeds from PC router speed tests, and all other cables between me and the router.

After four years, I thought my ONT modem was not able to do that.

Today, after being sent a new router and no new ONT and calling tech support saying their system says it should be able to do those speeds I looked up my ONT model and saw it is able to do 1Gbps.

Replaced the thick and meaty patch cable between ONT and router, which I 100% thought was 5e because it was so meaty, with an actual thin 5e patch cable.

I am now getting 200Mbps which I could have had for 4 years now.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Gigabit needs all 8 wires in the cable. 100 megabit can get by on 4 wires. One of the wires in the cable probably had a bad connection.

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo

Inept posted:

Gigabit needs all 8 wires in the cable. 100 megabit can get by on 4 wires. One of the wires in the cable probably had a bad connection.

I tested the cable and it is max 100.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Yeah a loose wire then.

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo

Inept posted:

Yeah a loose wire then.

It was also from the dorms in 1998 when Ethernet 10/100 was the new hotness, the labs were still on BNC, and a fast Ethernet pci card cost about 65$

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009




People don't know the meaning of loose wires until they've tried 10Base5 with vampire taps.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

People don't know the meaning of loose wires until they've tried 10Base5 with vampire taps.

:negative:

Kivi
Aug 1, 2006
I care
Are there any known good and reliable Intel 225 2.5 GbE adapters I could pick up for cheap? Or go Realtek instead? Most of my stuff is already 2.5 GbE but network cards in my 2 PC are not.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009




Worst part is, I couldn't convince a few users that the computers weren't meant to be moved around - and my boss basically didn't care.
I'm pretty sure that's responsible for my knee problems now.

Kivi posted:

Are there any known good and reliable Intel 225 2.5 GbE adapters I could pick up for cheap? Or go Realtek instead? Most of my stuff is already 2.5 GbE but network cards in my 2 PC are not.
I've yet to hear problems with the i226 NICs, but they're fairly new.

Do you have NBaseT switches, though? A lot of the problems supposedly stem from them not implementing the NBaseT standard properly whereas Intel appparently does.

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


It sounds like most desktop PCIe wifi adapters are just laptop wifi cards on a PCIe riser? Is there really no difference if they're all using AX210 other than maybe the antenna included? Extra cool looking heatsinks?

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler
Yeah, there's no functional difference - heatsinks are cosmetic considering the AX210 and predecessors do just fine in laptops with way less airflow and no heatsinks on them.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

This is what you get. For falling in Love
So far I’ve been generally competent with my home network. But I’ve been doing some pretty simple stuff like looking up which router can support the speed coming out of my modem, or replacing the isp modem with a modem/router. So what I’m really try to say is that I am going to admit I don’t know jack about router/modem /mesh technology.

I have three floors, the co-ax drop is in the center of house, and I’m trying to keep the basement and second story covered with decent WiFi. I’m looking at these, which claim they can covered way over what I need <2k ft. Squ.

TP-Link Deco AX3000 WiFi 6 Mesh System(Deco X55) - Covers up to 6500 Sq.Ft. , Replaces Wireless Router and Extender, 3 Gigabit ports per unit, supports Ethernet Backhaul (3-pack)
https://a.co/d/e7LdsMY

I’m not familiar with that manufacturer. I’m used to going with netgear, and I generally like how easy netgear is to login to and troubleshoot. But I know nothing about these devices lol.. here’s the netgear one I’m looking at.

NETGEAR Orbi Whole Home Tri-Band Mesh WiFi 6 System (RBK653) Router with 2 Satellite Extenders, Coverage Up to 6,000 Square Feet, 40 Devices, AX3000 (Up to 3Gbps)
https://a.co/d/6JXBWi0

Other than the price difference I can’t tel what exactly is different/better/worse about these. I don’t don’t know how reliable they are versus a modem/router. Anyone have experience/advice for whether to do these things or go with something else?

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
This probably came up a BILLION times and I'm reading the OP right now, but I got a brand new comcast xfinity account (oh boy!) and their AP is the shittiest thing I've ever seen. I'm not going to install their app on my phone (lmfao) and I don't have wired connection on any of my laptops, only wireless. So it seem that until I either buy my own AP or get a wired port (15 days away) that I'm forced to run a public wireless network that anyone with a comcast account can freely use.

I need to get my own AP like yesterday.

edit: since this is both the modem and AP/switch in one device, it seems like no matter what I have to get a cable connected into this thing to disable the current open wifi. Even if I plug in a router running open-wrt that's still going to be running and I'm basically stuck broadcasting this until my actual PC gets here later this month.

Salt Fish fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jul 12, 2023

Adhemar
Jan 21, 2004

Kellner, da ist ein scheussliches Biest in meiner Suppe.
You can disable the public WiFi network and set the thing to bridge mode to use your own router from their admin panel.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Adhemar posted:

You can disable the public WiFi network and set the thing to bridge mode to use your own router from their admin panel.

Is that on the website? I couldn't find it. It would be INSANE if you could get to the admin panel from the public wifi, but maybe? I tried my gateway address in the browser but it doesn't answer the TCP connection and I don't have a route for their documented 10.0.0.1 admin panel address, I assume it only vends that on DHCP if you connect a wire to it, but I have no clue.

Adhemar
Jan 21, 2004

Kellner, da ist ein scheussliches Biest in meiner Suppe.

Salt Fish posted:

Is that on the website? I couldn't find it. It would be INSANE if you could get to the admin panel from the public wifi, but maybe? I tried my gateway address in the browser but it doesn't answer the TCP connection and I don't have a route for their documented 10.0.0.1 admin panel address, I assume it only vends that on DHCP if you connect a wire to it, but I have no clue.

I suck at reading, sorry. I missed the part where you don’t have an Ethernet capable device. I doubt it’s possible until you get one.

Hockenheim
Oct 20, 2022

by VG
Yes, it’s supremely lovely that you have to, but why not install the app, secure the radios and uninstall the app?

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
Y'all seem to be the right folks to ask - how feasible is it to somehow get my wifi network to somehow extend to the beach a block and a half a way somehow so I can WFH from the beach every day.

I am not in any way above asking some of my neighbours to let me plug in poo poo either.

ROJO
Jan 14, 2006

Oven Wrangler
So, got a flyer that AT&T fiber was finally going to be available, which is at least nice to have an option compared to Comcast. Talked with them about it, and I can get 1G symmetric with no caps for the same price I am paying for 1200/40 with a 1.2TB cap - so I'm definitely interested (I honestly would probably save a few bucks and downgrade to 500/500). Speaking with the rep more and inquiring about their required equipment, they will provide a BGW320 combo ONT/modem/router that they say can be put into "IP pass through" mode. I am running a full unifi setup with a USG-4-PRO as the gateway, which I absolutely want to keep using. While I have zero complaints about comcast all things told, I would be happy to get away from them even if I have to go back to using an ISP owned ONT/modem.

With the talk on the previous page about the small NAT table potentially still being an issue/enforced even in a bridge mode (?) - is there any other things I should be concerned about? Main WAN use case is general internet/streaming/WFH, a wireguard VPN for travel access, private plex server, and usenet, no torrents. Have about 45 active clients all things told right now on my networks between computers, phones, tablets, consoles, IoT crap, etc. Thanks!

Kivi
Aug 1, 2006
I care

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

Do you have NBaseT switches, though? A lot of the problems supposedly stem from them not implementing the NBaseT standard properly whereas Intel appparently does.
I've got following gear,

5G CPE with 2.5G port (total overkill, but there's fiber in the horizon)
Mikrotik RB5009 with single 2.5G port and 10G SFP+ port for routing
2 Asus XT8 with 2.5G port for wireless AP

Future gear that I'm going to order soon is a 5x2.5G 2x10G SFP+ switch from that recent Servethehome article series on cheap switches like that.

My idea was to have the switch connected to the RB5009 with SFP+ DAC, and the switch would handle rest of the PCs (which currently don't have 2.5G cards) and APs, and my file server (with SFP+ DAC)

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler

ROJO posted:

So, got a flyer that AT&T fiber was finally going to be available, which is at least nice to have an option compared to Comcast. Talked with them about it, and I can get 1G symmetric with no caps for the same price I am paying for 1200/40 with a 1.2TB cap - so I'm definitely interested (I honestly would probably save a few bucks and downgrade to 500/500). Speaking with the rep more and inquiring about their required equipment, they will provide a BGW320 combo ONT/modem/router that they say can be put into "IP pass through" mode. I am running a full unifi setup with a USG-4-PRO as the gateway, which I absolutely want to keep using. While I have zero complaints about comcast all things told, I would be happy to get away from them even if I have to go back to using an ISP owned ONT/modem.

With the talk on the previous page about the small NAT table potentially still being an issue/enforced even in a bridge mode (?) - is there any other things I should be concerned about? Main WAN use case is general internet/streaming/WFH, a wireguard VPN for travel access, private plex server, and usenet, no torrents. Have about 45 active clients all things told right now on my networks between computers, phones, tablets, consoles, IoT crap, etc. Thanks!

I have been using the BGW210, the smaller sibling of your 320, for nearly six years now on AT&T 1G fiber in regular router mode with separate access points handling WiFi. I had some flaky behavior early on which I ended up attributing to overheating since it went away with added direct airflow, and I noticed once that an update enabled WiFi with default settings again after I had disabled it. Otherwise, it's been pretty trouble free and I haven't noticed any problems even with running a herd of smart devices and a few torrents in the background almost all the time. Based on that, I would expect that in passthrough/DMZ mode the BGW320 shouldn't have any performance issues for you.

Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Jul 12, 2023

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life

Salt Fish posted:

This probably came up a BILLION times and I'm reading the OP right now, but I got a brand new comcast xfinity account (oh boy!) and their AP is the shittiest thing I've ever seen. I'm not going to install their app on my phone (lmfao) and I don't have wired connection on any of my laptops, only wireless. So it seem that until I either buy my own AP or get a wired port (15 days away) that I'm forced to run a public wireless network that anyone with a comcast account can freely use.

I need to get my own AP like yesterday.

edit: since this is both the modem and AP/switch in one device, it seems like no matter what I have to get a cable connected into this thing to disable the current open wifi. Even if I plug in a router running open-wrt that's still going to be running and I'm basically stuck broadcasting this until my actual PC gets here later this month.

I’ve been wrong before but I’ve never one ever seen a ISP supplied modem/router from the main players that doesn’t have a default secured SSID broadcasted with the password written on the box. Said SSID lan has the ability to connect to the gateway.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Ok then
On the box or a label on the router itself, usually underneath but not always.

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life
Probably the majority of households nowadays don’t have a hardwired pc but they’d still need a way to control all their IoT devices requiring the same lan.

The only situation I can think of it not having it is if it’s used and somebody scratched it off.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Cyks posted:

I’ve been wrong before but I’ve never one ever seen a ISP supplied modem/router from the main players that doesn’t have a default secured SSID broadcasted with the password written on the box. Said SSID lan has the ability to connect to the gateway.

Yeah I'm fairly sure

If you don't then idk grab yourself a cheap usb 10/100 ethernet nic (you could pay extra for gigabit I GUESS or maybe there's a sale but you don't need it) and plug yourself in to log in and make the changes. Having one around is kinda handy to be honest.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

GlyphGryph posted:

Y'all seem to be the right folks to ask - how feasible is it to somehow get my wifi network to somehow extend to the beach a block and a half a way somehow so I can WFH from the beach every day.

I am not in any way above asking some of my neighbours to let me plug in poo poo either.

So I have a Unifi Rocket M2 + a 17dbi antenna that gets wifi 2 miles away. They've got more recent versions of stuff like that too. Big issue will be how many other buildings are in the way. You'd need a USB wifi with a good external antenna though.

e; looks like the R2AC-PRISM with a AM-2G16-90 antenna would be a pretty similar configuration with their new hardware? I've not used Prism's.

M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Jul 12, 2023

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
Ooh, that sounds incredible. Thanks!

SamDabbers
May 26, 2003



Salt Fish posted:

This probably came up a BILLION times and I'm reading the OP right now, but I got a brand new comcast xfinity account (oh boy!) and their AP is the shittiest thing I've ever seen. I'm not going to install their app on my phone (lmfao) and I don't have wired connection on any of my laptops, only wireless. So it seem that until I either buy my own AP or get a wired port (15 days away) that I'm forced to run a public wireless network that anyone with a comcast account can freely use.

I need to get my own AP like yesterday.

edit: since this is both the modem and AP/switch in one device, it seems like no matter what I have to get a cable connected into this thing to disable the current open wifi. Even if I plug in a router running open-wrt that's still going to be running and I'm basically stuck broadcasting this until my actual PC gets here later this month.

You can disable the public xfinitywifi hotspot through the account management portal on the xfinity website:
https://customer.xfinity.com/#/settings/security/hotspot

If you want to use your own router then you should put the supplied gateway into bridge mode:
https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/wireless-gateway-enable-disable-bridge-mode

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

GlyphGryph posted:

Y'all seem to be the right folks to ask - how feasible is it to somehow get my wifi network to somehow extend to the beach a block and a half a way somehow so I can WFH from the beach every day.

I am not in any way above asking some of my neighbours to let me plug in poo poo either.
If you can put an antenna somewhere that would have line of sight to the beach you can almost certainly get a signal out there, but the trick is going to be reliably getting a signal back from your random devices that don't have external antennas.

That's the catch with any kind of long-range WiFi, it's a two way link where both directions are equally important.

If you have a friendly neighbor that's beach adjacent it would be technically possible to use a point to point bridge to shoot a signal to their roof and then link that over to an outdoor AP with a sector antenna aimed in the right direction, but making it reliable and troubleshooting when it goes wrong are going to require an understanding of WiFi that it doesn't sound like you have.

Unless you have some absurd data needs for your WFH or service is poo poo there I'd just use cellular. I've done a few "working vacations" where I set up on the beach with a battery bank in my backpack and just tether my laptop through my cell phone and it works great.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

wolrah posted:

If you have a friendly neighbor that's beach adjacent it would be technically possible to use a point to point bridge to shoot a signal to their roof and then link that over to an outdoor AP with a sector antenna aimed in the right direction, but making it reliable and troubleshooting when it goes wrong are going to require an understanding of WiFi that it doesn't sound like you have.

True enough about the understanding - I haven't really touched networking stuff in over a decade and I was never super good at it. I think it's an understanding I'd actually like to acquire now that I finally own my own home, though? I feel the doing of it and learning would be enjoyable in its own right even if the actual outcome doesn't work the first time, much like many of my previous electronics projects.

But maybe I should just it through my phone again, at least for this year. I have done that before a couple times and my signal is probably fine, here? Better than where I was living before, where it definitely wouldn't have worked.

And I can spend the winter learning stuff for maybe doing something stupider/fancier/completely unnecessary next year. I figured whatever response I got here could at least get me started on knowing what to learn though.

GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jul 12, 2023

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life
Assuming you don’t own that section of the beach (sounds like you don’t from the distance) the answer is most definitely going to be using a hotspot, either from your phone or or a dedicated device.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Cyks posted:

Assuming you don’t own that section of the beach (sounds like you don’t from the distance) the answer is most definitely going to be using a hotspot, either from your phone or or a dedicated device.

It's a private locked beach owned by the fairly small HOA I'm a member of, so I kinda do? I figured whatever I got set up I'd make available to the other folks nearby too, it's only like a dozen people who use it with any sort of regularity.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Ok then
There are mobile hotspot devices which will grab a cell signal, VPN to your home network, and provide a wifi hotspot, but they aren't necessarily easy to set up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02gYwJ2G-vE or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlHWnKVpygw (I haven't watched the vids, but those are the basic idea.)

fletcher
Jun 27, 2003

ken park is my favorite movie

Cybernetic Crumb
Wasn't there some poo poo you can do with a pringles can?? Like 20 years ago it was all the rage

FunOne
Aug 20, 2000
I am a slimey vat of concentrated stupidity

Fun Shoe
Just tether to your phone and be done with it. Everything else feels way overkill for "can get emails at the beach".

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Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Not a single fucking olive in sight

ilkhan posted:

There are mobile hotspot devices which will grab a cell signal, VPN to your home network, and provide a wifi hotspot, but they aren't necessarily easy to set up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02gYwJ2G-vE or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlHWnKVpygw (I haven't watched the vids, but those are the basic idea.)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BPSGJN7T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Buy this, it natively supports Tailscale so the only config is logging into your Tailscale account and funnel all traffic through it. The only config on the other end is install the Tailscale app, log in and set it as an exit node, there is zero other network config.

Router supports USB iPhone, WiFi to WiFi bridging, I believe some USB cell modems.

I just took it on a trip, plug it in, connect it to the hotel WiFi everything connected to it thought it was sitting on my home network.

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