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It is literally the job of the person who made that sign in to look for those connections and make sure they do not happen. I work in the same industry. I design those signs edit: I'm probably biased honestly because my teacher for the class that went over signage and physical billboard advertisement paid a lot of attention to spotting potentially offensive stuff and so when something that sounds very clearly like the n-bomb is placed next to frequent racist dogwhistles it jumps out at me as something that wouldn't have been missed during that step. Sue me. CJacobs has a new favorite as of 22:14 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Check it they could have just NOT called it plantation wharf and then square rigger row wouldn't sound really racist placed next to it anymore, there's no need to rename an entire boat like you complete weirdos seem to think I want to do
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CJacobs posted:...imo the coincidental nature of it sure is getting slimmer. I mean, I think that's a pretty fair point.  "Square Rigger Row" as a street in "Pirate-topia" or something is whatever, but the whole thing being plantation-themed is...hm. Someone may not have been purposefully designing all this going "Hehehehe let's blow this dogwhistle", but a big project like this has enough people involved that SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE down the line should have looked at all of it together and went "Wait, uh..." It's either maliciousness or ignorance, and both are pretty drat bad.Do you think they would try to use "We're British, not American" as an excuse?
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CJacobs posted:Check it they could have just NOT called it plantation wharf and then square rigger row wouldn't sound really racist placed next to it anymore, there's no need to rename an entire boat like you complete weirdos seem to think I want to do Yes it is obviously everyone else who are the complete weirdos in this interaction. E. Maybe just take it down a notch when discussing stuff like this with strangers on the internet who clearly aren’t championing racism or whatever, idk
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To be honest yeah I think the people defending this development are a bit weird
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Is anyone defending this development? I was just saying the “square rigger” = “square n-word” was a bit of a stretch compared to the much more obvious “plantation”, “cotton” etc. let’s just agree this isn’t productive though and that we everyone itt is probably on the same side of: “wow, this was a dumb marketing move”
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Brother Tadger posted:Is anyone defending this development? I was just saying the “square rigger” = “square n-word” was a bit of a stretch compared to the much more obvious “plantation”, “cotton” etc. let’s just agree this isn’t productive though and that we everyone itt is probably on the same side of: “wow, this was a dumb marketing move” It's eyebrow raising because of the other specific themes, not in spite of or in addition to them. Even just changing it to Square Rigging Row would help. It's totally possible that someone just to make a "cute" naming scheme but, uh, sometimes it actually was racism behind it.
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why are all the housing numbers 1488? coincidence.
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loony libs not giving the plantation wharf guys the benefit of the doubt 
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Lol I forgot there is no discussing nuance on the internet
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You haven’t really brought up any nuance. If you want to you can I will listen but your just flailing at the point to ethirr defend this group or more likely goon contrarianism
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There's context missing, but the context is what makes it bad. Most of the names are references to the Triangular Trade, where raw materials like cotton and sugar would be bought from slave plantations in the Carribean, shipped to England (or New England) to be refined into goods like molasses, rum, and cloth (such as calico), which would then be traded in Africa for more slaves. There are also references to British activities in Asia from the same time period, although they omitted opium row.
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And let us by clear: they are celebrating and romanticising that time and those activities.
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Thanatosian posted:What I don't understand: UCSB is a public school; there should be an inspector general--or even the California AG--weighing in on this Generally code enforcement is civil until your gently caress up kills someone. Then it may still be civil. The AHJ for this can vary a bit. I know the Office of the State Fire Marshall does some code enforcement in CA. I imagine local code enforcement departments might review it during permitting. It's also possible the University system is exempted but I doubt it's likely. So the local building code office and the Fire Marshall is your best bet. I don't touch fire code very much, but NFRPA 101 does specify how many doors per people is required. 2 is the minimum. And the number goes up per X number of people. Someone here likely knows the fire code better and could say how many it is but it's more than 2.
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Thomamelas posted:Generally code enforcement is civil until your gently caress up kills someone. Then it may still be civil. The AHJ for this can vary a bit. I know the Office of the State Fire Marshall does some code enforcement in CA. I imagine local code enforcement departments might review it during permitting. It's also possible the University system is exempted but I doubt it's likely. So the local building code office and the Fire Marshall is your best bet. I was thinking less of a code enforcement perspective, and more of a "responsible use of public funds" perspective.
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CharlestheHammer posted:You haven’t really brought up any nuance. The nuance was that this is a development on a wharf, wharfs are where ships would be moored, a common type of ship is a “square rigger”. This is different than plantations/cotton, which don’t really have any relation to wharfs except for the slave trade and rum triangle. E. Not trying to be a contrarian, just stating that “square rigger” is not obviously as bad as the references to plantation/cotton/ivory, etc. I also agree w/ the above poster who said that the overall naming scheme this is a really bad marketing move because it clearly is romanticizing the slave trade period, I just think it was a bigger reach for “rigger” equals “n-word” in context. E2. Although after typing that up, I must admit that square riggers are more antiquated ships, so I guess again, it goes back to romanticizing the period and that I can definitely admit is bad in that context (rather than the rhymes with a slur context). Brother Tadger has a new favorite as of 00:30 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Brother Tadger posted:You know a “square rig” is a normal nautical term and a “rigger” is a name of a profession, right? Presumably this is by a wharf so it’s not completely out of line. And plantations are just tropical farms, you can have a plantation that operates as a socialist commune, but the sum implications of all these names together is very dumb marketing.
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Platystemon posted:And plantations are just tropical farms, you can have a plantation that operates as a socialist commune, but the sum implications of all these names together is very dumb marketing. Right, so again, the train of thought that I was discussing/replying to was: CJacobs posted:so when something that sounds very clearly like the n-bomb is placed next to frequent racist dogwhistles it jumps out at me Which brings me back to my comment about the difficulties of having a nuanced discussion on the internet Brother Tadger has a new favorite as of 02:31 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Brother Tadger posted:Right, so again, the train of thought that I was discussing/replying to was: So how many
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Lol ya got me
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Platystemon posted:And plantations are just tropical farms, you can have a plantation that operates as a socialist commune, but the sum implications of all these names together is very dumb marketing. The difference between a plantation and a farm are in the scale, and how the land is cultivated. Not where it's located.
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As a peace offering for my dumb derail: https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/01/meta-trademark-applicants-will-sell-to-mark-zuckerberg-for-20m/ Couldn’t find a better source 
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Gaius Marius posted:The difference between a plantation and a farm are in the scale, and how the land is cultivated. Not where it's located. I mean, kind of. They have different connotations in multiple ways, but try to draw a distinction between California’s strawberry “farms” picked by migrant labor and Hawai‘i’s pineapple plantations is an exercise in futility without invoking the plant or the climate.
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I really like neighbourhoods with themed street names. Maybe they're all trees, or all flowers, or types of rocks, or they all start with "Mc." I find it more charming than the alternative. There's a few subdivisions in town that have streets named after the companies that developed them. But not like this. No. Not like this.
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When I was looking to move a few years ago, my second choice if my first one fell through was on Secessionville Road. My friends and I likened it to someone in Germany considering getting a place on Poland Invasion Way.
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Doggles posted:When I was looking to move a few years ago, my second choice if my first one fell through was on Secessionville Road. My friends and I likened it to someone in Germany considering getting a place on Poland Invasion Way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Settlement,_Texas
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Isn't there a Spanish city that's called "Kill the Jews" or something of that nature?
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Doggles posted:When I was looking to move a few years ago, my second choice if my first one fell through was on Secessionville Road. My friends and I likened it to someone in Germany considering getting a place on Poland Invasion Way. My quaint cafe on the corner of Anschluss Ave and Blitzkrieg Blvd.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Isn't there a Spanish city that's called "Kill the Jews" or something of that nature? That was Castrillo Matajudios. Mexico has several towns named “Matamoros”, which is “Killer of Moors”.  They’re named for the nickname acquired by the apostle James in the Catholic expanded universe.
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CJacobs posted:Buddy it's still racist to not realize what square rigger sounds like at your place also called plantation wharf on cotton way or whathaveyou. It isn't just a human mistake to let the implications go unrealized, to be blind to any of it including what the real ship sounds like in that context is prejudice. You don't have to be malicious to be prejudiced. Everybody defending the naming scheme is stupid, but holy loving lol at saying "not pre judging things is the REAL prejudice"
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Platystemon posted:That was Castrillo Matajudios. Having holy figures appear before a battle wasn’t uncommon a claim but they rarely get a nickname from it
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So the good guys are called razzies, you know like raspberries. Oh you're right it does sound kind of like Nazis that's a weird coincidence. So anyway they're led by the heroic Rudolph Rittler
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RoboRodent posted:I really like neighbourhoods with themed street names. Maybe they're all trees, or all flowers, or types of rocks, or they all start with "Mc." I find it more charming than the alternative. There's a few subdivisions in town that have streets named after the companies that developed them. A friend of mine in high school said she used to live in a housing development where the streets were named after Tolkein characters. Her street was Aragorn Court, for example. But sometime years ago the street sign was stolen, and the replacement that got put up said "Aragon Court" and no amount of pleading to the town or whoever would make them correct this mistake. Tragic.
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Splicer posted:So the good guys are called razzies, you know like raspberries. Oh you're right it does sound kind of like Nazis that's a weird coincidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Dream
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Silver Falcon posted:A friend of mine in high school said she used to live in a housing development where the streets were named after Tolkein characters. Her street was Aragorn Court, for example. But sometime years ago the street sign was stolen, and the replacement that got put up said "Aragon Court" and no amount of pleading to the town or whoever would make them correct this mistake. Tragic.
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Splicer posted:Just keep stealing the bad one until they get it right?
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"What happened to Aragorn?" "It fell..."
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