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Lol biannual.
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Feb 21, 2018 20:21
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Some of SMG's Star Wars posts are entertaining to read but I'm not really sure where he got the "Kylo Ren had to kill Han Solo because anti-capitalist Christian atheism demanded it" (or whatever it was - it was along those lines) angle from.
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Feb 21, 2018 20:24
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I mean that's kind of his thing, right? Presenting ridiculous theses that he doesn't even try to support with anything from the film that he never develops in any way as if they're all totally self-evident? I used to find it annoying but now I realize it's just lazy.
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Feb 21, 2018 20:28
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He literally just makes things up and uses big words to sound smarter than he actually is.
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Feb 21, 2018 20:29
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I’m not sure how many this needs to be said, but other subforums and users in those subs are not a topic of discussion for this thread.
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Feb 21, 2018 20:31
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Saw it last night. Was excellent. Great pacing, great effects, amazing characters, good themeing, all the works. The only complaint is that the fight choreography was only serviceable, with a few fights that were downright awful (M'Baku vs T'Challa had garbage shaky cam, and their weapon choreography was the worst ever). Too many things to like that have probably been dissected to hell and back, but I think the biggest victory the movie has is that it lives and breathes its setting. I think back to Thor, Doctor Strange, Wonder Woman and some others with an exotic setting that sees its main character leave it for something else, which usually makes the first act feel bad since we barely touch upon the locations shown in it. Here, Wakanda just gets more important as we go on, and we explore it even further. It's great. M'Baku not getting to fight that rhino was a crime, however.
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Feb 21, 2018 21:33
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X-O posted:I’m not sure how many this needs to be said, but other subforums and users in those subs are not a topic of discussion for this thread. Okay, yeah, threads being derailed is annoying, and I definitely don't want there to be some childish cross-forums sniping going on, but BSS talks poo poo about dumb people who deserve poo poo talk, including ourselves, all the time. I don't get why it's been somehow extra really more bad and...what, against forums ethos?...to bag on CineD (or just SMG, let's be real) in particular like all of a sudden we have to be super careful to not be too mean or derail-y about this one single thing. I mean, I also ultimately don't care if we get to or not. I just want to be able to bitch about absolutely anything and everything. 
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Feb 21, 2018 21:41
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As apology for further derails I offer my favorite reaction to Black Panther yet.
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Feb 21, 2018 21:50
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Read about a scene that almost made it into the movie but was deleted at the last second, with Coogler fighting to the end for it, with W'Kabi and Okoye having a discussion about their opposing views in regards to Killmonger after he takes power. That probably should have been left in, I think; Kaluuya's character is just a bit underdeveloped and the relationship between them needed a bit more fleshing out. Movie's still great, the more I think about it the more I like it. Might end up being my favorite one of these. e: here it is: https://io9.gizmodo.com/theres-one-black-panther-deleted-scene-ryan-coogler-fou-1823188204
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Feb 21, 2018 21:56
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Saw it last night. Was excellent. Great pacing, great effects, amazing characters, good themeing, all the works. The only complaint is that the fight choreography was only serviceable, with a few fights that were downright awful (M'Baku vs T'Challa had garbage shaky cam, and their weapon choreography was the worst ever). I've seen multiple reviews say it reminded them a lot of Star Wars in that its setting was so compelling that you want to know every little detail about everything. Hopefully in the sequel they explore more what function the Black Panther serves in Wakandan society/culture beyond just "protector". I'm glad they are already nodding in the direction of its connection to the afterlife.
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Feb 21, 2018 22:03
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Arist posted:Read about a scene that almost made it into the movie but was deleted at the last second, with Coogler fighting to the end for it, with W'Kabi and Okoye having a discussion about their opposing views in regards to Killmonger after he takes power. That probably should have been left in, I think; Kaluuya's character is just a bit underdeveloped and the relationship between them needed a bit more fleshing out. Yeah, W'Kabi's betrayal and his relationship with Okoye are both pretty underdeveloped. Wish that had been left in.
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Feb 21, 2018 22:14
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Barry Convex posted:Yeah, W'Kabi's betrayal and his relationship with Okoye are both pretty underdeveloped. Wish that had been left in. Yeah his character is most people's biggest criticism with the film. That's a shame.
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Feb 21, 2018 22:29
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Shageletic posted:Yeah his character is most people's biggest criticism with the film. That's a shame. I know I'm not the first person to bring this up, but I still don't understand why T'Challa doesn't even bother telling him that Killmonger broke Klaue out. More generally, the film just rushes too quickly in the second half from Killmonger arriving in Wakanda to Killmonger seizing the throne to Killmonger leading an army in civil war. It could really have used another scene or two fleshing out how the rest of Wakanda feels about him before the climax kicks in. Granted, the scenes along those lines we do get (Nakia and Okoye's argument, the Heart-Shaped Herb burning) are still more than most of the other MCU films have managed.
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Feb 21, 2018 22:41
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Arist posted:Read about a scene that almost made it into the movie but was deleted at the last second, with Coogler fighting to the end for it, with W'Kabi and Okoye having a discussion about their opposing views in regards to Killmonger after he takes power. That probably should have been left in, I think; Kaluuya's character is just a bit underdeveloped and the relationship between them needed a bit more fleshing out. I almost forgot they were even a couple until she was standing in front of a charging rhino.
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Feb 21, 2018 22:45
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Barry Convex posted:I know I'm not the first person to bring this up, but I still don't understand why T'Challa doesn't even bother telling him that Killmonger broke Klaue out. T'challa didn't know who it was. He didn't even see Killmonger iirc, and if he did Killmonger was wearing that mask. Dexo fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Feb 21, 2018 22:55
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Yeah, T'Challa doesn't find out who the man who freed Klaue was until the next scene when he talks to Zuri.
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Feb 21, 2018 22:57
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hmm, maybe I misremembered that. Well, I'm seeing it again in a bit.
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Feb 21, 2018 22:58
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He has opportunities, just not the first time.
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Feb 21, 2018 23:02
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He could've mentioned it when Killmonger had his big reveal in the throne room, but I'm not too pressed that he didn't. Winning W'Kabi back was probably the last thing on T'Challa's mind at the moment. And honestly, Killmonger probably would've busted out some 12th dimensional "I was just working with him...until I could betray him and bring you your justice!" rationale which is...technically?...true.
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Feb 21, 2018 23:07
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When Killmonger arrives in the throne room, though, not only has he proven himself by killing Klaue, he then reveals who his father was, a revelation that completely undermines not just T'Chaka's authority but T'Challa's as well. It justifiably overshadows everything else. That he helped Klaue escape doesn't matter anymore (and one can argue that T'Challa had already failed to deal with Klaue at that point when he didn't kill him in Busan, meaning that he still came off as weak).
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Feb 21, 2018 23:07
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Aphrodite posted:He has opportunities, just not the first time. He kidnapped him to murder him. That's what Killmonger could have said. Honestly I got what was happening with W'kabi, that he was irritated and disappointed with T'challa for not keeping his promises. But I think the bit earlier about him wanting to swamp the world with Wakanda's armies is the more important motivation. And here you have someone coming to power promising exactly that. It rang true for me, history is full of people close by kinship and friendship betraying each other in kingdoms based on ideology. I just wish they did a better job expanding on that so that it hit better. The fact that so many people are confused by his motivations is proof enough they didn't do enough of that.
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Feb 21, 2018 23:54
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BrianWilly posted:He could've mentioned it when Killmonger had his big reveal in the throne room, but I'm not too pressed that he didn't. Winning W'Kabi back was probably the last thing on T'Challa's mind at the moment. T'challa never actually finds out that Killmonger was working with Klaue. Killmonger wasn't present at the South Korea fight -- he was, in fact, conspicuously absent -- and T'challa never views the footage from the museum heist, which would have been wiped remotely in any case, and all the other scenes with Killmonger and Klaue occur in privacy. He sees Killmonger break Klaue out of CIA custody, at which point he presumes they are working together, and then the next thing he sees is Killmonger presenting a dead Klaue. Killmonger could reasonably claim that he was only breaking Klaue out of CIA custody in order to bring him to Wakanda for justice. As far as can be proved, that was their only interaction.
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Feb 21, 2018 23:55
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Hopefully, unlike Star Wars, they don't proceed to explain literally everything in Wakanda. It's better as a magical mystery.
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Feb 22, 2018 00:04
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Vibranium is actually hardened midiclorians
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Feb 22, 2018 00:13
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site posted:Vibranium is actually hardened midiclorians 
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Feb 22, 2018 00:17
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Have the comics actually gone into where Vibranium comes from? Is it Kree or Celestial? It's always one or the other.
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Feb 22, 2018 00:18
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Aphrodite posted:Have the comics actually gone into where Vibranium comes from? Is it Kree or Celestial? It's always one or the other. The version that happens in the movie is basically the one in the comics; vibranium comes from space and the largest amount is from a meteorite in Wakanda, and that's about it. There is also some in Antarctica, in the Savage Land, which has slightly different properties: instead of being impervious to all damage, it can cut any other metal, including adamantium. It's usually called Anti-metal to distinguish it from Wakandan vibranium. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Feb 22, 2018 00:29
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https://twitter.com/BenStarred/status/966238506644205569
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Feb 22, 2018 01:58
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Aphrodite posted:Have the comics actually gone into where Vibranium comes from? Is it Kree or Celestial? It's always one or the other.
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Endless Mike posted:In normal 616, it's essentially just what it was in the movie: a meteorite from space. Earth-X made it a Celestial egg implanted into the earth. Yeah, but I mean they've never said where it comes from? Usually Marvel explains the mystery out of everything.
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Feb 22, 2018 02:43
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https://twitter.com/BrichibiTweets/status/966435958483836928
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Feb 22, 2018 02:46
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This would have only improved an already perfect movie.
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Feb 22, 2018 02:53
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I assume that should read "You know what? I'm Saiyan!"
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Feb 22, 2018 02:57
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Jagermonster posted:All this debate over Killmonger really demonstrates what a great villain he was. Imagine people arguing like this about Steppenwolf. I just wanted to add as awesome as that line was, it also emphasized what the rest of the movie established that Killmonger really was driven by an imperialist mindset. He doesn't consider himself Wakandan (they are implicitly not "his people"), has no regard for their culture (see burning the heart herb) and only went there to exploit its natural resources (vibranium) for his own personal goals. So it works on several levels
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Having just seen Black Panther a second time, a few observations: -Killmonger's characterization worked better for me the second time, though I'm still sympathetic to leftist criticisms of his role and the film's politics more generally (but also loath to weigh in too much here) -god the supporting characters are way better than in pretty much any other MCU solo film, aren't they? -there's still some distractingly bad CG (Panther and Killmonger's fall into the vibranium mines in the climax) and greenscreen (both ritual combat scenes, T'Challa's second trip to the ancestral plane) work -as far as the female supporting cast goes, Nakia is really overshadowed by Shuri and Okoye; I like her character and Nyong'o as an actress, but unlike the other two, I have a hard time recalling a single particularly memorable moment she has in the film, and she just doesn't *feel* as essential to T'Challa's character arc as I think the script intends her to be -with only two large-scale setpieces, this might have the least superhero action per se of any of the MCU films. Not a complaint, just an observation
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About the Heart Shaped Herb I'm sure that the garden wasn't the only place. It probably still grows in the jungle or the priests have some hidden away for exactly this instance. I mean they're going to need it when T'challa fucks up real bad in the 3rd one and Shuri has to become The Black Panther BTW, I do hope that Marvel is planning on introducing X-men to the MCU so we can have Storm and T'challa getting married.
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twistedmentat posted:BTW, I do hope that Marvel is planning on introducing X-men to the MCU so we can have Storm and T'challa getting married.
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Feb 22, 2018 04:15
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Yeah, Storm and T'challa is dumb as poo poo.
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