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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Most .scr files are PE32 binary images, so once 32bit support gets completely stripped from Windows, an absolute shitload of screensavers will stop working as even ones made today aren't PE32+ binary images. drat that's gonna suck for my grandsons grandsons grandson when microsoft drops 32bit support
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repiv posted:drat that's gonna suck for my grandsons grandsons grandson when microsoft drops 32bit support Even if you start planning for making time_t 64bit now, you'll still have time to move to a fully 64bit architecture. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 00:59 on May 31, 2022 |
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Yeah, but 64-bit is no solution, just kicks the can down the road for 292 billion years or so.
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It’s a good thing that Win32 uses 100-nanosecond intervals since January 1, 1601 and thus the only people who are going to be affected by 32-bit time_t in this particular conversation are the two people who ported 32-bit unix screensavers manually to Windows for some godforsaken reason and are too lazy to recompile with 64-bit time_t.
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By the time that happens someone will have encapsulated Wine in such a way to use it to run Win32 apps on 64 bit Windows, or something like that.
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My kids will never know the joy of staring at the Mystify screensaver Or playing Hover Or know what the word multimedia means
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May 31, 2022 06:59
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SCheeseman posted:By the time that happens someone will have encapsulated Wine in such a way to use it to run Win32 apps on 64 bit Windows, or something like that. Just use wsl!
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WhyteRyce posted:My kids will never know the joy of staring at the Mystify screensaver Did it ever mean much tho, was mostly used as a trendy marketing buzzword
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BobHoward posted:Did it ever mean much tho, was mostly used as a trendy marketing buzzword it did denote a certain set of capabilities for a pc, generally a CD-ROM drive and vector processing (3dNow!/MMX). I think there is even an official “MS Multimedia PC” spec, probably discussed in some LGR somewhere.
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May 31, 2022 09:07
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This is my VOGONS thread about the Groove Machine. Lots of thread appropriate discussion of CPU features in there. Particularly CPUID Strings and SSE towards the end of the thread. https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=1075537
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https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1531684569434439682 The package wings are… interesting.
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May 31, 2022 19:29
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BobHoward posted:Did it ever mean much tho, was mostly used as a trendy marketing buzzword look at this noob that never played Rebel Moon Rising at launch
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May 31, 2022 19:34
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Cygni posted:https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1531684569434439682 Is that for additional high speed interfaces from FPGA logic or something like that? The dots on the pcb look like they could be some kind of low profile board to board connectors.
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priznat posted:Is that for additional high speed interfaces from FPGA logic or something like that? The dots on the pcb look like they could be some kind of low profile board to board connectors. Intel's done something like that before, but the connector looked pretty different  The pins on Sapphire Rapids look more like pogo pin pads for testing, rather than something that goes into a connector
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May 31, 2022 19:49
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repiv posted:Intel's done something like that before, but the connector looked pretty different Yeah I think you're right, some kind of clip on pogo pins. I've seen them have that with their NVME drives, kind of a neat way to get a debug interface without using up much board real estate and not requiring any additional parts on the board.
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Per the tweet the wings are only on the SKU with extra HBM2E, so did they just run out of space under the heatspreader and have to bodge the extra memory on outside it?  how is cooling that going to work
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repiv posted:Per the tweet the wings are only on the SKU with extra HBM2E, so did they just run out of space under the heatspreader and have to bodge the extra memory on outside it? Probably a big overhanging heatsink with thermal pads over the hbm dies? But then how to get at those debug pads..
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repiv posted:Per the tweet the wings are only on the SKU with extra HBM2E, so did they just run out of space under the heatspreader and have to bodge the extra memory on outside it? The hbm is under the heatspreader I think:  I saw some speculation that the pads are for extra I/O connections, but then that makes me wonder why it’s specific to only the HBM versions? Maybe the traces are blocked or something?
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maybe it is I/O then, and that little die on the wing is an controller for the I/O (i assumed it was the extra HBM but in that photo the HBM is clearly bigger) it's a strange form factor for I/O though, aren't dense pogo-pin jigs like that really expensive/finnicky/fragile? and there's no notches for the jig to latch onto or align against there's nothing on the underside of the chip that would be easier to interface with 
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May 31, 2022 20:36
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oh, if you CSI enhance the photo the little wing die appears to be marked ALTERA you get a little bonus FPGA with your extra HBM then?
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My assumption would be that the HBM taking up space under the heatspreader necessitates pushing some power control and other ancillary bits outside the package due to lack of space. You wouldn't move the core components, you'd move support stuff.
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The early non-HBM Sapphire Rapids ES had an FPGA on package too (dunno if it’s still there in production silicon). I believe someone here smarter than me said they were using it for various boot logic and such?
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Paul MaudDib posted:it did denote a certain set of capabilities for a pc, generally a CD-ROM drive and vector processing (3dNow!/MMX). I think there is even an official “MS Multimedia PC” spec, probably discussed in some LGR somewhere. Lol the Multimedia PC thing started around 1993-1995 well before 3D accelerators were something that existed outside flight simulators (the physically large ones). You had, of course with this being Microsoft (mostly), MPC-1 and MPC-2. I think the difference was that MPC-2 required a CD-ROM since you could technically have a multimedia-capable PC without it (having sound and minimum some display resolution at 256 colors) but I don’t remember the specs exactly and I’m not wiki’ing this as I post Also, seem to remember that the Color coded audio jack and cables (green=main out, red=mic in etc) came about from this?
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F4rt5 posted:Lol the Multimedia PC thing started around 1993-1995 well before 3D accelerators were something that existed outside flight simulators (the physically large ones). You had, of course with this being Microsoft (mostly), MPC-1 and MPC-2. The colour coded jacks, isn't that part of AC '97? Could be misremembering it
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F4rt5 posted:Lol the Multimedia PC thing started around 1993-1995 well before 3D accelerators were something that existed outside flight simulators (the physically large ones). You had, of course with this being Microsoft (mostly), MPC-1 and MPC-2. I didn’t say 3D video cards, I said MMX/3DNow! support, which was the driver behind the pentium requirement in MPC-3. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_PC (3Dnow! was AMD’s equivalent to the MMX simd instruction set.) Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Jun 8, 2022 |
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God drat Paul, you are batting uncharacteristically poorly here. MMX wasn't introduced until the Pentium MMX, which came at 133mhz in its slowest version. The MPC-3 spec just required a 75mhz original pentium and did not have anything to do with MMX. To my knowledge no one really gave a drat about the MPC-3 spec anyway because Windows 95 kinda heralded the era of standardization on multimedia capability. MPC-1 and -2 were the ones anyone actually cared about, the ones you needed to run various software that played video off CDs. What "multimedia capable" meant in general was having a fast enough CD and a powerful enough CPU to decode some specific really crappy video in real time.
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Cinemania and Encarta videos were pretty sweet though.
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Reminds me of my 1995 Pentium 60Hz PC that killed itself running Red Alert 1
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Palladium posted:Reminds me of my 1995 Pentium 60Hz PC that killed itself running Red Alert 1 I had one of those too. They needed loud fans and couldn't do math no good.
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Inept posted:Cinemania and Encarta videos were pretty sweet though. I remember the days when Encarta was THE poo poo to get You could tour the outside of the pyramids!
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My fave PC from that era was an Intergraph TD4 that I picked up used on Ebay. Dual PPros running at 90MHz. It was a great coding station because playing my poo poo-quality, stolen anime MP3s would eat 70% of one CPU, leaving the other one free to run Emacs and render websites in Netscape (which, back then, were all sets of giant tables with the default bevelled cell borders turned off, because DIV hadn't been invented yet).
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K8.0 posted:God drat Paul, you are batting uncharacteristically poorly here. MMX wasn't introduced until the Pentium MMX, which came at 133mhz in its slowest version. The MPC-3 spec just required a 75mhz original pentium and did not have anything to do with MMX. To my knowledge no one really gave a drat about the MPC-3 spec anyway because Windows 95 kinda heralded the era of standardization on multimedia capability. MPC-1 and -2 were the ones anyone actually cared about, the ones you needed to run various software that played video off CDs. What "multimedia capable" meant in general was having a fast enough CD and a powerful enough CPU to decode some specific really crappy video in real time. In my defense, I was in preschool when pentium came out
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I think people who didn't live through that era have a different picture in their mind of what the "multimedia era" actually entailed. If you go back and look at stuff like Myst or the 7th Guest or the Journeyman Project series, there's a lot of relatively impressive stuff going on there. However, there were like maybe a few dozen titles worth any sort of drat at all, most of them had system requirements well beyond any of the usual "spec standards" and the vast vast vast majority was dogshit shovelware.
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And you needed a SCSI card to burn CDs without it killing the cpu to the point of causing write failures, thems were the days. I beta tested that Audiograbber, RIP Jackie
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Let me hook up my portable parallel port Zip drive and copy some awesome warez to your computer which will take an hour I had a 4x burner that would do 80min CDs and that poo poo gave me a huge leg up over the 2 other people at my school that could burn discs
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Slot loading drives were the shiiiiiit IT'S JUST LIKE MY CAR STEREO
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priznat posted:Slot loading drives were the shiiiiiit I'd still like to get a slot-loading BDRW for my HTPC one of these days, but they're expensive
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WhyteRyce posted:Let me hook up my portable parallel port Zip drive and copy some awesome warez to your computer which will take an hour I made so much money in college pirating episodes of Smallville and One Tree Hill and burning it onto CDs to sell to folks who couldn't do it themselves Of course you had to watch through the thing to make sure the download was correct and good so I ended up watching through the series indirectly anyway
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Softmodding xboxes was very lucrative in the dorm room halo days
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