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TMMadman posted:Daggerfall is the only true Elder Scrolls game. I think Daggerfall with modern graphics (i.e. a procedurally-generated countryside with a lot of empty space, toss in some randomly generated rabbits, wolves, trees, etc.) would be beyond neat. One of the things I dislike about Elder Scrolls games is they're always so *busy*. There's no wilderness, there's a dungeon or castle or something everywhere you turn. I dislike being an adventurer, I like camping and hiking and cooking and swimming in a pond.
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PBS Newshour posted:No it isn't. And if people have fun playing the single player game skyrim, you can see how it would be considered a douchey and elitist thing to go "skyrim is a baby game for babies"  Stop constantly making GBS threads on other people's fun by acting like you're somehow better or more enlightened.
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like the thing i was getting at with exploding kittens is this idea people have where they seem to think engagement is this weird one way street people think a movie is bad because it has "plot holes" which typically can be solved if you actually think about the thing or the popularity around exploding kittens is that it just does all the work for you like to me that is actual elitism, these weird ideas about art/media is suppose to interact you, and the willingness to not engage with it and the actual form of it like its perfectly fine to say i had a good experience with something like CAH, but if someone starts talking about what their view as problems with it, that doesn't mean your experience is invalid, but if you want to discuss something you actually need to properly engage with it first
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EccoRaven posted:I think Daggerfall with modern graphics (i.e. a procedurally-generated countryside with a lot of empty space, toss in some randomly generated rabbits, wolves, trees, etc.) would be beyond neat. One of the things I dislike about Elder Scrolls games is they're always so *busy*. There's no wilderness, there's a dungeon or castle or something everywhere you turn. I dislike being an adventurer, I like camping and hiking and cooking and swimming in a pond. You should play minecraft.
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Asiina posted:And if people have fun playing the single player game skyrim, you can see how it would be considered a douchey and elitist thing to go "skyrim is a baby game for babies" im making GBS threads on the game not people's fun
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Feb 1, 2016 07:34
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people's fun can't be shat on
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Feb 1, 2016 07:35
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skyrim was made BY babies
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Feb 1, 2016 07:36
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You're making GBS threads on games in a way that implies the players of that game are less sophisticated than you are if they enjoy it.
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Asiina posted:You're making GBS threads on games in a way that implies the players of that game are less sophisticated than you are if they enjoy it. the babies thing was a joke, you seem way too focused on that
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TAsiina posted:You're making GBS threads on games in a way that implies the players of that game are less sophisticated than you are if they enjoy it. They are.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:37
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PBS Newshour posted:people's fun can't be shat on This is objectively untrue. Human beings have feelings that can be affected by others.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:37
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again i have been literally calling every game i have been playing lately a baby game
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Asiina posted:This is objectively untrue. i can poo poo on the band fun
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PBS Newshour posted:hi lets ruin every aspect of our games but make it slightly more easier for idiots to play
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PBS Newshour posted:but if you want to discuss something I think this is the problem. When I post that I was annoyed at a bug in skyrim I wasn't opening the door for critiquing skyrim as a game, I was opening the door for people going "that sucks ecco!" or "I have a similar story about a bug ruining my fun" or whatever. When I post that I play CAH with my family every Christmas Eve, I'm not debating whether CAH is a good game or not, I'm telling people I have fun with my family on Christmas Eve. There's a whole laundry list of things this thread cares a lot about that I don't care for at all, and I care even less when people treat my media consumption as intro to a debate.
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i am not calling players of skyrim idiots, but saying the game is designed so its easier for idiots to play i have played skyrim before and not suddenly become an idiot asiina
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they claim that the skyrim world map was hand crafted but it has all the personality of daggerfall's randomly generated map. morrowind at least had cool things to look at, and find, sometimes. who wants to explore a viking wasteland...not me baby. the writing is the worst in the series and the combat is, as usual, beyond bad, but on the other hand, skyrim does have one of the finest DBZ mods available for download on the nexus. i shot a kamehameha wave into a bear.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:39
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There's no reason to complain about accessibility unless you are being elitist.
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I really don't understand how bethesda can get so close to making a good game and then completely fail at basic story stuff. Huh an empty house I wonder what- oh every single occupant kept a dated diary that only has entries about the spooky thing that killed them and died writing about the spooky thing killing them, I'm so spooked at reading about it
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Feb 1, 2016 07:40
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you complain about accessibility when it guts out interesting mechanics or that is all the game is, i already explained this
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moba players are extremely sensitive to this kind of thing, capps, as each follower of one moba 'game' is engaged in an eternal war with all the players of different moba games, and also all the players of the moba game they themselves play. I am playing an incredibly slow game about two lesbians in space.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:42
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Then what you're saying is that they made a game that should only be enjoyed by idiots, because smart people will see that they gutted interesting things. You can't have it both ways.
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Feb 1, 2016 07:42
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Asiina posted:Then what you're saying is that they made a game that should only be enjoyed by idiots, because smart people will see that they gutted interesting things. checkers
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Feb 1, 2016 07:43
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actually this is suddenly reminding me of a cool talk richard garield did about luck in games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av5Hf7uOu-o
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Checkers can only be enjoyed by machines that have learned the way to draw from the opening position
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PBS Newshour posted:like the thing i was getting at with exploding kittens is this idea people have where they seem to think engagement is this weird one way street i hate you so much right now. like like like you're having difficulty Understanding Human Beings and you don't see it
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GulagDolls posted:moba players are extremely sensitive to this kind of thing, capps, as each follower of one moba 'game' is engaged in an eternal war with all the players of different moba games, and also all the players of the moba game they themselves play. I am playing an incredibly slow game about two lesbians in space. For the record I am elitist as hell about moba games. Not as bad as some people who've played a lot longer than me, but definitely pretty up there. I think reducing the skillcap does remove core aspects of the game.
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oh yeah, they solved checkers a few years ago didn't they
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I don't need to listen to a 40 minute talk to know that luck is a dump stat
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oh asiina is doing this for me, oh well she's got this goodnight
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GulagDolls posted:I don't need to listen to a 40 minute talk to know that luck is a dump stat its interestnig because garfield goes through and points out that hey there are a ton of different types of luck in games
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Ernie. posted:oh asiina is doing this for me, oh well she's got this goodnight No, take over for me I have to go to bed.
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Asiina posted:Then what you're saying is that they made a game that should only be enjoyed by idiots, because smart people will see that they gutted interesting things. explain to me how i am saying this by the way
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Asiina posted:No, take over for me I have to go to bed. you play mobas asiina, i know better than to killsteal you should tell capps that emoji should be a language and looting is an unacknowledged form of free speech and see whether or not his head explodes
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why would that make my head explode
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PBS Newshour posted:why would that make my head explode for the exact same reason that It's Okay For Someone To Like Exploding Kittens if you don't see the parallel then you're being willfully obtuse
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emoji as a language is no different than the visual language of film or whatever
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PBS Newshour posted:explain to me how i am saying this by the way I honestly don't know how to say it any clearer. You're saying Skyrim is a game wherein they cut out the more difficult aspects in order for it to appeal to idiots who don't want to be challenged. You specifically say that you'd have no problem if they made it accessible to idiots but still left in more complex gameplay for those who wanted to engage, implying that this gameplay doesn't exist in the current game and that the people who want the greater complexity are both smarter and better than people who find skyrim enjoyable. You're not just saying you wish the game was better, you're saying the people who enjoy it as it is must be idiots because they can't see that all of the things you find fun are missing from it.
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Anyway, handing this off to Ernie, I need to get to bed.
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Asiina posted:I honestly don't know how to say it any clearer. this was never about complexity???
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