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I remember in the original Battlefront there was an award called "Bantha Fodder" and I did not know what that meant until uhhh just now, when I googled it to find out the name of the award & then googled what a Bantha is.
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Wrong thread!!!
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Oct 30, 2016 05:57
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K. Waste posted:Someone asked about punk rock cinema before, and I'd nominate Mad Ron's Prevues from Hell as another contender. Also, Robert Nelson's Oh Dem Watermelons (1965), but in a Nuggets/proto-punk kinda way: http://ubu.com/film/nelson_watermelons.html Wrong thread but hell, I appreciate it
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Oct 30, 2016 06:06
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Hat Thoughts posted:Wrong thread but hell, I appreciate it Zounds!!!
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Oct 30, 2016 08:38
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UmOk posted:Glad I'm not the only one who saw the humor in that. Star wars thread is so weird. Earlier in the thread, I wrote: "The most basic message of all the Star Wars films is that being ethical is incredibly difficult. It's so difficult that Yoda hasn't figured it out, after hundreds of years of meditation. Even Luke messes it up at the end, unless we interpret things very carefully." Carelessness is something to be avoided. I laid out a very clearly-worded definition of feudalism and explained how the imagery in the films fits that definition: "Star Wars is about a return to a pre-capitalist 'fetishism in relations between men' - an intersubjective relationship between the crown and the subjects that leads to the belief that 'kingship' is a natural quality that some possess." When systematized as a form of government, this is feudalism - where, according to Samuel Freeman, “the elements of political authority are powers that are held personally by individuals, not by enduring political institutions… subjects’ political obligations and allegiances are voluntary and personal: They arise out of private contractual obligations and are owed to particular persons." These contractual obligations are based on the aforementioned system of loyalty-norms - those intersubjective relationships. Now, nobody currently reacting to my posts about feudalism is actually responding to what I wrote above. Cnut included. In the Empire, power is held by the state.
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Oct 30, 2016 09:45
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Now, nobody currently reacting to my posts about feudalism is actually responding to what I wrote above. Cnut included. In the Empire, power is held by the state. Maybe because it's not interesting? You need to be careful.
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Oct 30, 2016 14:32
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UmOk posted:Maybe because it's not interesting? People have been responding for around three pages now. The question is the quality of the responses.
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Oct 30, 2016 19:17
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quote:In the Empire, power is held by the state. "I am the state." - Emperor Binks I
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Oct 30, 2016 19:43
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Toph Bei Fong posted:Canon is pretty funny to discuss. You bet your rear end Art Carney is canon.
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Oct 30, 2016 19:47
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The real point of Mon Mothma going unnamed is that her name doesn't matter. She's just there to visualize the fact that someone has taken over Leia's role from the end of A New Hope while Leia is doing the guerrilla thing. It's similar to the various queens of Naboo we see after Padme leaves to become a senator. The individual characters change, but the institution keeps chugging along.
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Oct 30, 2016 19:58
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The institution is higher than thw individual. Collectivism! Star Wars is communist! I wish
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Oct 30, 2016 20:00
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:You bet your rear end Art Carney is canon. Sadly, the Holiday Special overall is Legends. But Harvey-Korman-in-drag's character got a shout-out in a Canon book 
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Oct 30, 2016 20:02
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jivjov posted:Sadly, the Holiday Special overall is Legends. But Harvey-Korman-in-drag's character got a shout-out in a Canon book With a reference to Bantha Surprise, one hopes.
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Oct 30, 2016 20:03
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:With a reference to Bantha Surprise, one hopes. Sadly not; it was in that Tales From A Galaxy Far Far Away short story collection, and there was a cooking competition happening in Maz's castle. Someone namedropped Chef Gormaanda as being an inspiration for getting into the culinary arts.
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Oct 30, 2016 20:32
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Phi230 posted:The institution is higher than thw individual. Collectivism! Star Wars is communist! Crazy how you come so close, Tezz. Crazy.
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Oct 30, 2016 21:18
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Can everyone in the thread just be careful.
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Oct 30, 2016 21:31
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rear end Catchcum posted:Can everyone in the thread just be careful. You'll be dead!
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Oct 30, 2016 21:45
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These little ones aren't worth the effort.
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Oct 31, 2016 07:31
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Earlier in the thread, I wrote: To say that this is feudalism though is simply a misuse of terms. Feudalism is a political system of monarchy which is very specific to Europe in particular centuries. Kingship being a natural quality that some possess did not originate in feudalism - it goes way way back. The way The Empire looks and behaves in the original trilogy reminds me more of the Roman Empire than it does medieval feudalism. This also helps us understand why Lucas wanted to explore a story of Republic -> Empire, much as what happened in Rome.
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Nov 1, 2016 01:26
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ANH the Emperor dissolves the senate. So, now we have to conclude that the Emperor is the state to make smg's point stick or find that the Empire wasn't the state and a different form of ruler-ship.
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Nov 1, 2016 02:04
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The best part of Mon Mothma is the scheme that produces more names like it. Bel Bettleba Ken Keyku Laq Lamplo Stim Sticksta Pos Pondpi You can make some baller names with this poo poo.
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Nov 1, 2016 05:36
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A supplement for one of the RPGs had the suggestion of coming up with Star Warsy names by taking syllables and fragments of consecutive words. So, "naming characters" gives you Ming Harac, interstellar con artist.
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Nov 1, 2016 07:08
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CountFosco posted:To say that this is feudalism though is simply a misuse of terms. How. Also lol at people denying feudalism in a movie inspired by Feudal Japan.
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Nov 1, 2016 07:43
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I wonder what's with General Hux's teeth: He appears to have too many teeth on his lower jaw. Either Gleeson is a mutant or they CGI'd them in, if so - why?
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Nov 1, 2016 09:36
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Seems pretty normal to me?
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Nov 1, 2016 09:57
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Normally there are 4 teeth between fangs, not 6
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Nov 1, 2016 10:22
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dumb and kinda scared posted:Normally there are 4 teeth between fangs, not 6 ...so, Hux is perfectly normal, then?
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Nov 1, 2016 10:28
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Freakazoid_ posted:The best part of Mon Mothma is the scheme that produces more names like it. More importantly, all three elements of her name suggest the word "Mother." She's the pure, angelic mother of the Rebellion, presented in opposition to the Emperor, the decrepit, rotting father of the Empire. The victory of the Rebels over the Empire suggests a reintroduction of femininity and motherhood into the galaxy--something which died out with the death of Padme and the birth of Vader. Pursuant to that last part--note how at the end of Episode III the soft, bright, smooth PT aesthetic consciously gives way to the dark, hard, sharp-edged OT aesthetic, punctuated by an image of a broken and mutilated corpse being encircled and consumed by the sigil of the Empire:    It's a brilliant use of contrasting aesthetics and imagery to convey a meaningful, sweeping narrative beyond the level of straightforward plot and dialogue. dumb and kinda scared posted:I wonder what's with General Hux's teeth: Don't try to make sense of the dentistry of a British man. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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Nov 1, 2016 10:39
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Cnut the Great posted:
Noted. He's Irish though.
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Nov 1, 2016 10:59
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Captain Splendid posted:Noted. What's he doing playing an Imperial, then? That's Brit-face.
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Nov 1, 2016 11:11
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Cnut the Great posted:What's he doing playing an Imperial, then? That's Brit-face. "Close enough!" - JJ Abrams
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:How. Don't deny the galactic senate
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Nov 1, 2016 15:52
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2 dudes fight like samurai therefore the whole movie is feudalist despite no other evidence I am yet unconvinced.
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Nov 1, 2016 15:56
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Phi230 posted:2 dudes fight like samurai therefore the whole movie is feudalist despite no other evidence Would you accept "medievalism"? "Chivalry" might even be better, if we think of the ships as horses. A princess, knights with swords fighting to retake the center of their world, a dual duty to both the nobility and to causes?
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homullus posted:Would you accept "medievalism"? "Chivalry" might even be better, if we think of the ships as horses. A princess, knights with swords fighting to retake the center of their world, a dual duty to both the nobility and to causes? yes i accept these
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homullus posted:Would you accept "medievalism"? "Chivalry" might even be better, if we think of the ships as horses. A princess, knights with swords fighting to retake the center of their world, a dual duty to both the nobility and to causes? The problem with this is that the knights and princesses are fighting to restore republican democracy. The medievalist and chivalric imagery is just romantic ornamentation which has little to no bearing on the larger political message. The films encourage the emulation of the qualities of legendary knights and princesses on the level of the individual, but not necessarily on the level of society. The Romantic art of the 18th century was very similarly medievalist in its sensibilities, and yet it was nonetheless associated with movements promoting stridently democratic political ideals. It's not surprising that the Star Wars films would mimic the Romantic art movement in this way, being that they too were a reaction against a culture that had (to some views) become emotionally sterile and technologically obsessed. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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Cnut the Great posted:The problem with this is that the knights and princesses are fighting to restore republican democracy. The medievalist and chivalric imagery is just romantic ornamentation which has little to no bearing on the larger political message. The films encourage the emulation of the qualities of legendary knights and princesses on the level of the individual, but not necessarily on the level of society. I am not sure this is defensible without the PT to illustrate these democratic ideals. There is a "republic" and there was a senate right up until news broke on the Death Star that the Emperor had dissolved it. There is no evidence that Leia is an elected princess. The entirety of ANH is a still-painful nostalgia for the old ways, before technology made things less humanistic. Knights protected the realm and defended the princess; this, and the Crusade, are what draws Luke to be trained as a knight. He (like his father before him) is apolitical and ultimately a tool of the ruling elite.
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I call bullshit, Phi230 isn't tezzor, he's way too reasonable!
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MonsieurChoc posted:I call bullshit, Phi230 isn't tezzor, he's way too reasonable! Shh! I am enjoying the tezzor who talks about the films rather than the people who love, hate, or make the films, don't spoil it. We can ride this wave of actual discussion all the way to Rogue One.
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homullus posted:I am not sure this is defensible without the PT to illustrate these democratic ideals. There is a "republic" and there was a senate right up until news broke on the Death Star that the Emperor had dissolved it. There is no evidence that Leia is an elected princess. The entirety of ANH is a still-painful nostalgia for the old ways, before technology made things less humanistic. Knights protected the realm and defended the princess; this, and the Crusade, are what draws Luke to be trained as a knight. He (like his father before him) is apolitical and ultimately a tool of the ruling elite. The visual design and imagery of the two major political factions of the OT alone makes it clear that it's a battle between autocratic totalitarianism and democratic self-determination. The Special Edition changes to the end of ROTJ drive this point home even further, so hard that it can't possibly be missed. Is this going to become an argument about whether the Rebel Alliance was actually even an Alliance to Restore the Republic in the first place, simply because it wasn't stated in the movie? That'll be fun. And the prequels do exist, so I don't see what the point is in ignoring them. Also, for the record, Leia isn't an elected princess. She's an elected senator. Or else she was, up until the point it was dissolved....by the anti-democratic monarch who she's fighting to overthrow. But apparently the fact that the Senate was dissolved by the villain specifically because of its connection to Princes Leia and the Rebels is somehow evidence that is has no meaningful connection to the reasons Princess Leia and the Rebels are fighting?
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