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Bobulus posted:Based on my limited time spent on tumblr, the more taboo a relationship is, the more the fangirls will root for it. For example, there's a surprising amount of John/Jade shipping and Dave/Rose shipping, presumably because they're siblings. (The reaction to the most recent update has been rather unsettling because of that. Murder all homestuck fans.
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Fister Roboto posted:Murder all homestuck fans. It's not just Homestuck fans, believe me... Incest shippers had a loving whale of a time with the Weasley family in Harry Potter  Hussie takes the piss out of obsessive fan shipping in the comic itself, I wonder sometimes if he decided that the kids would be siblings just to see what the shipping reaction would be.
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Dolash posted:I remember everyone expecting this shocking revelation to cause the kids to flip the gently caress out but John characteristically shrugged it off and somehow everyone else already knew about it. People were starting to pick up on the frequent anti-climaxes by that point and John's penchant for not living up to expected emotional outbursts. One thing I absolutely love about Homestuck is the anti-climaxes. I can't explain why, but it just resonates with me. Fister Roboto posted:Murder all homestuck fans. That's the thing though. I don't think they're really Homestuck fans so much as like these weird roaming shippers who latch onto whatever they can find. Like if you asked them about Dave or Rose's personalities they'd just be like "THEY'RE SO PRECIOUS!" or "Dave is so cool!" without really understanding anything about the characters or the plot on more than a surface level. Meulin is the best satire of this. When she asked Meenah why they didn't hang out all the time and be better friends and Meenah was just like "I literally tried to kill you wtf." It's like they're flipping through the pages of a book and stopping to gape at the illustrations above the chapter titles but having no understanding of what those illustrations mean within the context of the work.
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Well, I just caught up with all of Homestuck. And all I can say is that Andrew Hussie is the best prankster ever. I have never known an author that can make fun of his fans and call them idiots, and they don't even realize they are being made fun of.
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Oct 24, 2012 18:32
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Dogbutt posted:Well, I just caught up with all of Homestuck. There are plenty of fans who realize it and get really angry about it because they lack the ability to laugh at themselves. See Kankri versus the terrible Social Justice Warriors he represents.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:That's the thing though. I don't think they're really Homestuck fans so much as like these weird roaming shippers who latch onto whatever they can find. Like if you asked them about Dave or Rose's personalities they'd just be like "THEY'RE SO PRECIOUS!" or "Dave is so cool!" without really understanding anything about the characters or the plot on more than a surface level. Wherever in fiction there are siblings, there are incest shippers. It's completely independent of the work itself; they just see a set of siblings and they loving pounce. If it's showed up in Gravity Falls (and it has ), it's gonna show up here.I suspect none of them have siblings themselves. Or I HOPE they don't, anyway. That would explain why they can fetishize the   forbidden taboo without getting squicked out, and also why they consistently interpret any sort of affection or closeness between siblings as sexual tension. They don't know what having siblings is like, so they don't know any better. Or maybe they DO have siblings, and their family gatherings are the most uncomfortable thing ever. Either way.floofyscorp posted:Hussie takes the piss out of obsessive fan shipping in the comic itself, I wonder sometimes if he decided that the kids would be siblings just to see what the shipping reaction would be. I'd rate the odds of this at about 80%. Hussie plays his audience like an ugly stupid violin he hates, and it's beautiful. 
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Oct 24, 2012 18:50
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I think we can do better than that. Of course, I can think of a couple more ways to make it even
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Oct 24, 2012 19:08
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Disproportionation posted:I think we can do better than that. I love that Hussie was kind enough to explain how to make SBaHJ. "Loss scum." Amazing.
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Oct 24, 2012 19:14
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Disproportionation posted:I think we can do better than that. Okay now make it transparant again
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Fucknag posted:Okay now make it transparant again I'm gonna need to get some epilepsy medication before coming back to this thread aren't I?
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Well Manicured Man posted:There are plenty of fans who realize it and get really angry about it because they lack the ability to laugh at themselves. See Kankri versus the terrible Social Justice Warriors he represents. I mean more like the fans who see Cronus and go, "Wow! He's a -kin! Just like me!" and not realize that Hussie is mocking them.
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Disproportionation posted:I think we can do better than that. Combine it with the screwed up transparency and we'll have the first SBaHJ: The Moive
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I could've sworn I read how to do the transparency thing with all frames but I can't remember how!  But added some noise. 
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Oct 24, 2012 19:43
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Kazy posted:I could've sworn I read how to do the transparency thing with all frames but I can't remember how! If you're using Photoshop, you can selectively replace colors in the palette in the Save for Web... dialogue. Go in, click the white square, and manually replace it with transparency. Make sure the frames are set to not dispose!
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Factory Factory posted:If you're using Photoshop, you can selectively replace colors in the palette in the Save for Web... dialogue. Go in, click the white square, and manually replace it with transparency. Make sure the frames are set to not dispose! Thanks! We've created something beautiful here 
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Kazy posted:Thanks! We've created something beautiful here  I think we may have created something even shittier than Swweet bro and HellaJ eff. God help us all.
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Oct 24, 2012 20:10
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Dogbutt posted:I mean more like the fans who see Cronus and go, "Wow! He's a -kin! Just like me!" and not realize that Hussie is mocking them. Do those exist? The only otherkin reaction I've seen to Cronus was "Hussie how dare you mock otherkin  "Well, except for that one Tumblr user who thinks she's Karkat and a Columbine killer, she added him to her headmate collection immediately. But she did the same with the $10000 fantroll, so that's probably just the "gotta catch em all" mentality.
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Mister Gutsy posted:Well, except for that one Tumblr user who thinks she's Karkat and a Columbine killer, she added him to her headmate collection immediately. This... this is an actual thing? Horuss isn't just a hyperbolic exaggeration of otherkin, there are actually people like that? Dear god 
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Factory Factory posted:If you're using Photoshop, you can selectively replace colors in the palette in the Save for Web... dialogue. Go in, click the white square, and manually replace it with transparency. Make sure the frames are set to not dispose! Kazy posted:Thanks! We've created something beautiful here God DAMMIT I hate having Gimp. I just went through and did every single frame manually to get the same result. Suppose that's what I get for not checking the thread. But yeah, good job to all involved in the creation of this RandallODim fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Oct 24, 2012 |
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I always figured (hoped) that people who ship siblings do so just because they like the idea of those two personalities and character designs/depictions being in a relationship, and is completely independent of the fact that they are siblings. Wishful thinking, I know. My friend was recently laughing about how goon fans of Game of Thrones (the TV show, and the books too I guess) wanted to see Sandor and Sansa in a relationship (the SanSan movement), but couldn't remember the term they used. I immediately told him, "Yeah, it's called shipping." To which he immediately replied. "Yeah, that's it! .... you loving nerd." 
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Suaimhneas posted:This... this is an actual thing? Horuss isn't just a hyperbolic exaggeration of otherkin, there are actually people like that? Never heard of "multiple systems", eh? Meet "Karkat".
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Dogbutt posted:And all I can say is that Andrew Hussie is the best prankster ever. I have never known an author that can make fun of his fans and call them idiots, and they don't even realize they are being made fun of. loquacius posted:I'd rate the odds of this at about 80%. Hussie plays his audience like an ugly stupid violin he hates, and it's beautiful. Hussie doesn't hate. Hussie takes a perverse pleasure in dragging out uncomfortable subjects, but he doesn't hate. In fact the group most successfully pranked would probably be you guys. He introduces a character that represents something you love to hate- a furry, a juggalo, a twilight fan, a fangirl shipper, and so on. He then makes fun of them, as you'd expect. He shows what silly people they are to draw you in... and then he does something really nefarious. He makes you love them. There are a few irredeemable bit characters, especially among the ancestor trolls, but the only major character who's really a straight up negative reflection of a group is Lord English himself. And guess what, Caliborn represents shallow hateful fans- contrasted with his sister, the obsessive fans that ship characters and draw great fanart. Hussie loves the shippers and the weirdos and all the awkward deviants who are drawn to this comic. Homestuck doesn't mock them, it celebrates them, in that wonderful grotesque way it does. It's you guys. You guys are the only group Hussie is actually pranking, who Hussie is actually "playing like a stupid violin he hates". And it's beautiful.
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Mister Gutsy posted:Never heard of "multiple systems", eh? Having Tyler Durden as your headmate is basically the most precious thing. Also Eiba, please stop doing smoking whatever joint it is that you are smoking to be getting so stoned.
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Eiba posted:Oh man this is great. You guys don't see it, do you? He's said as much in an interview recently. Andrew Hussie posted:It also bears mentioning that one thing I think Homestuck has always done is take marginalized internet cultures that most people think are icky or incomprehensible or just completely laughable, and sort of humanize those things. Or at least, slowly bring people around on those things, where they stop being viewed as completely absurd or untouchable, and become sort of insidiously normalized in spite of everyone's best efforts to keep that stuff on the fringe where it belongs.
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Eiba posted:Oh man this is great. You guys don't see it, do you? Andrew Hussie posted:And now to make you love him. Luminous Obscurity fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Oct 24, 2012 |
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Eiba posted:Oh man this is great. You guys don't see it, do you? This is one of my favorite things about Homestuck. It takes the entire concept of a geek hierarchy, that endless mobius strip of baseless superiority without the slightest justification, and utterly obliterates it. It is a masterpiece in disarming smug, sanctimonious pricks.
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Eiba posted:Hussie loves the shippers and the weirdos and all the awkward deviants who are drawn to this comic. Homestuck doesn't mock them, it celebrates them, in that wonderful grotesque way it does. So you're basically saying Hussie is Internet Jesus, teaching us to love our fellow nerds?
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The notion of an alien being a human otherkin is pretty funny, and his actual visual aesthetic is cool. Considering the dude is almost certainly going to be first against the wall when the pre-scratch trolls start kicking it, and he isn't so much a character as a touchstone for being repugnant, that's already pretty generous.
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Eiba posted:The Truth I am the Homestuck fan 
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Eiba posted:Oh man this is great. You guys don't see it, do you? I mean, this is all stuff I've gone on record saying myself, with a lot of the same examples even -- hell, I've had not one but two Gamzeetars. Doesn't change my outlook. Yes, he is able to make likeable characters out of everyone except Nice Guys. Everything that has happened in every single Meenah walkaround has still been a huge joke at the expense of Tumblr at large (except /b/ poster Mituna and Redditor Cronus), and they're just sitting there and taking it, which is all I was saying. e: Oh yeah I was also saying he loves loving with shippers, and the existence of Nepeta, which shows he UNDERSTANDS them, does not change this. e2: Also, please view the screenshot from the post following the one I just linked to for evidence that Hussie really does hate SJWs One thing that made me curious, though: quote:It's you guys. You guys are the only group Hussie is actually pranking, who Hussie is actually "playing like a stupid violin he hates". Explain this part. Who are "you guys," and why do you think my quote applies to this nebulous group more than it applies to Tumblr? If you mean "people who judge other people on the Internet," how is that not Karkat? This "you guys" group was represented as not only a likeable character, but The Best Troll. I'll wear that badge with pride. 
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Cabbit posted:The notion of an alien being a human otherkin is pretty funny, and his actual visual aesthetic is cool. Considering the dude is almost certainly going to be first against the wall when the pre-scratch trolls start kicking it, and he isn't so much a character as a touchstone for being repugnant, that's already pretty generous. I think this is why he kind of caught people off-guard by how awful he is. Eridan already looks like an rear end in a top hat, but Cronus looks like he could be a cool dude. So when a lot of the other teen ancestors are switching things up, like Meenah compared to Feferi and Aranea compared to Vriska, you kind of expect Cronus to do the same. Maybe be successful at the things Eridan was a failure at, or maybe have a better approach to life in general- Except then he's just worse. So much worse. And so you end up with a character who subverts the expectation of him subverting expectations, which is kind of memorable in and of itself I suppose. (by the time you get to Horuss its obvious there's no hard rule for these new characters so him being mega-equius isn't as much of a surprise) It's not hard to imagine Cronus growing up into the bitter, intensely jealous Orphaner Dualscar, really. Who, with a title like 'Orphaner' is obviously not a sympathetic character. Homestuck is not so kind to us Aquarius-types.
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loquacius posted:Explain this part. Who are "you guys," and why do you think my quote applies to this nebulous group more than it applies to Tumblr? If you mean "people who judge other people on the Internet," how is that not Karkat? This "you guys" group was represented as not only a likeable character, but The Best Troll. I'll wear that badge with pride. For instance, the latest walkabouts were indeed a huge send-up of Tumblr. They were not jokes at the expense of Tumblr though. They were jokes that were just as funny to the Tumblr community as they were to anyone else- probably more so. You probably aren't exactly the type of person I was imagining, but you did ascribe hatred to Hussie when all he seems to have is a perverse fascination, and it's that kind of attitude I was commenting on.
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CuddlyZombie posted:I still kinda have a hard time seeing Aranea, even in different circumstances, growing up into miss mindrape. There was actually no mindrape involved; she just  'd at Porrim after she captured her until Porrim was like "Ok holy gently caress I'll do whatever you say if you shut up"
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President Ark posted:There was actually no mindrape involved; she just Alternatively, Porrim started in on the "don't you think you're trying a little hard to embrace the hyper-sexualized caricature of the femme fatale?" line of discussion. Mindfang had to go have a think over the matter, covering her rear end for posterity with and then we hosed. seriously, that's it.
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