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UmOk posted:Pretty sure he only rebelled after the deal was altered. Before that he was perfectly willing to screw over his friends in order to cling to the free market. This sounds familiar. temple fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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Yea, Han had screwed over a lot of people, Jabba obviously being the biggest(literally and figuratively), and Lando definitely wasn't the kind of guy to stick his neck out for another smuggler who probably deserved what he was getting. When he saw that Leia and Chewie were going to get it too, that's when he decided to go Rebel. He obviously learned and changed quite a bit between ESB and RotJ. I don't think going on a dangerous rescue mission is something he'd have done when we first meet him.
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Nov 3, 2016 19:46
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When I was a kid and Vader appeared in cloud city I hated Lando with the same passion Hans face had but I soon realized he honestly did have no choice (though I don't really know why Vader even had to Make a deal As opposed to just doing whatever he wanted). Obviously it was a thing he was forced into or Leia wouldn't have taken him to jabbas and Han certainly wouldn't have let him fly the falc.
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Nov 3, 2016 19:53
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Lando's betrayal made a lot of sense. The citizens of Cloud City outweighed Leia, Han, and Chewie. Turn over a jerk, detain some rebels, and his city goes free. He was proto-revolutionary by not wanting to be in the Empire at all. But his plan hinged on a literal interpretation of keeping Leia and Chewie from leaving, instead of killing them. Vadar wanting to take Leia and Chewie himself broke the deal.
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Nov 3, 2016 19:59
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Basebf555 posted:Man, now that I think about it there's going to be a lot of new Star Wars prequels in the coming years. So many opportunities to infect the memory of the OT. Technically I'm not sure if these count as prequels, since they're spin-off movies and not part of the main series. You could just as easily call them sequels to the prequels. But really they're just anthology movies taking place at various points in the timeline. I know calling them prequels is a pretty prime trolling strategy to employ against prequel haters but let's be honest here. rear end Catchcum posted:When I was a kid and Vader appeared in cloud city I hated Lando with the same passion Hans face had but I soon realized he honestly did have no choice (though I don't really know why Vader even had to Make a deal As opposed to just doing whatever he wanted). Vader didn't have to make a deal. He just told Lando he was making a deal with him so he wouldn't get in the way. That way Vader wouldn't have to expend any additional energy subduing Lando and his security forces. There was never actually any deal. But eventually Vader got so close to his goal of capturing Luke that he got arrogant and basically just decided to drop the pretense, not anticipating that Lando would have the balls to switch sides so late into the game.
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Ah yeah I guess that is true. I want to do a rewatch soon.
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Nov 3, 2016 22:44
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To be honest though I think if Lando was a good boy and just did what he was told Vader would have left afterwards and let Lando operate his colony in peace. Sure, Lando was dodging Mining Guild dues and Imperial regulations, but Vader isn't the Emperor, why should he care about boring administrative stuff like that? Which means Lando still made a clear choice to help Leia and Chewie and abandon the operation he worked so hard to build up into a profitable enterprise.
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Nov 3, 2016 22:51
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I for sure agree with that and have never doubted that. Again it wouldn't make sense story wise in Jedi otherwise. Our heroes would never forgive a true traitor.
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Nov 3, 2016 22:55
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So did Lando choose Leia and Chewie over the people of his colony? I thought he made the deal to protect them?
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Basebf555 posted:Yea, Han had screwed over a lot of people, Jabba obviously being the biggest(literally and figuratively), and Lando definitely wasn't the kind of guy to stick his neck out for another smuggler who probably deserved what he was getting. Well, actually, Lando seemed pretty upset when he found out Vader was going to turn Han over to Boba Fett so he could be taken to Jabba. That wasn't part of the deal they made. It seems to me like Lando could rationalize assisting the Empire in bringing a rebel against the government to justice, but when he found out the Empire didn't even have any interest in bringing him to justice and was just going to hand him over to a bounty hunter to be taken to a gangster, he was just like, "What the hell am I even doing anymore?" UmOk posted:So did Lando choose Leia and Chewie over the people of his colony? I thought he made the deal to protect them? No, he warned them over the public address system and recommended that they evacuate. I think people overestimate the amount of mortal danger the people of the colony were actually in. The Empire would have just nationalized the colony and the people would go on working at their jobs, only under Imperial supervision, which probably would have really sucked, but it wasn't worth handing over two good people to the Empire to be executed. Maybe Vader would have left a garrison there in any case, though. I'm only speculating. e: In fact, now that I think about it more, I think I might be wrong and that might actually have been the case. It would certainly make Lando's situation mirror Luke's in ANH more closely: A New Hope posted:BEN Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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I agree with most of you cnut but I feel his thought process was more Ok, I have to take this deal to save my city. The safety of many at the cost of a few. Which turned into gently caress this you didn't say anything about Boba Fett!
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rear end Catchcum posted:I agree with most of you cnut but I feel his thought process was more Yeah you're probably right, actually.
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Nov 3, 2016 23:21
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The colony was full of people who didn't want to live in the Empire for various reasons (Willrow Hood and his unlicensed ice cream making operation, etc.) and Vader was gonna put a permanent garrison there.
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Phi230 posted:Its like trying to make a predator movie without Carl Weathers or Arnold or The Goddamed Sexual Tyrannosaurus Predator 2 is awesome, actually
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Nov 4, 2016 00:28
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Predator 2 is awesome, actually Agree. I think DANNY Glover should play young Lando
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UmOk posted:Agree. I think DANNY Glover should play young Lando Mel Gibson as young Han. 
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Nov 4, 2016 01:42
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The only way to save the franchise is for the Rock to play young Lando.
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Krazyface posted:The only way to save the franchise is for the Rock to play young Han.
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Actually I take that back. I don't think Danny Glover could play a convincing "libertarian with heart of gold."
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Bongo Bill posted:The colony was full of people who didn't want to live in the Empire for various reasons (Willrow Hood and his unlicensed ice cream making operation, etc.) and Vader was gonna put a permanent garrison there. Pretty sure Willrow Hood's illegal ice cream operation was something I made up for Ewokpedia years ago. But I'm glad it stuck in someone's head.
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Krazyface posted:The only way to save the franchise is for the Rock to play young Chewbacca. But not, like, in costume. Just the Rock making Chewie noises.
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Mecha Gojira posted:Pretty sure Willrow Hood's illegal ice cream operation was something I made up for Ewokpedia years ago. But I'm glad it stuck in someone's head. I invented it independently while writing that post, unfortunately.
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Why do they keep changing the pronunciation of Han throughout all three movies?
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UmOk posted:You need to be careful jivjov. Some sequels take place before the original.
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THE BAR posted:Why do they keep changing the pronunciation of Han throughout all three movies? Would you have the balls to tell Billy Dee Williams that he was saying it wrong? Kinda like how Ford insists on saying "Fall-con" even though nobody says it like that except Humphrey Bogart.
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Basebf555 posted:Would you have the balls to tell Billy Dee Williams that he was saying it wrong? I like how Billy Dee's pronunciation seems to be contagious, since Carrie Fisher starts imitating him in that scene despite pronouncing Han's name correctly at all other times. Also I don't know why I noticed this but for some reason in TFA Ford says "Falcon" the normal way. Bizarre, right? Incidentally, I think we've maybe reached the bottom of the well in terms of discussion topics.
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Nov 4, 2016 15:10
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The Rock might not be a bad idea. Chewie dies and his son comes to help out, his son being the Rock in the same costume. Exact same costume.
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I don't know if Chewie's son is the right role for The Rock, but I do know that the Star Wars universe desperately needs The Rock to be involved in some way. They should paint him blue and have him play Thrawn.
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Cnut the Great posted:I like how Billy Dee's pronunciation seems to be contagious, since Carrie Fisher starts imitating him in that scene despite pronouncing Han's name correctly at all other times. Clearly the person in TFA was not Han Solo  I definitely pronounce Han both ways, just like I do with "either" and "often".
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feedmyleg posted:Clearly the person in TFA was not Han Solo Someone please check if he's bigger than previous depictions of Han.
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Nov 4, 2016 16:00
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Han will reappear in Episode 8 as an amnesiac wearing a mask.
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feedmyleg posted:Clearly the person in TFA was not Han Solo  (Han Solo had an identical evil cousin. He was assassinated by Boba Fett. Yes, the Legends EU was weird.) Lord Hydronium fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Lord Hydronium posted:Thrackan Sal-Solo! Man what's with Star Wars characters looking like that silly man?
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Basebf555 posted:Would you have the balls to tell Billy Dee Williams that he was saying it wrong? Lando has known Han longer than any other character that isn't Chewie, so I'm going to assume he's right and everyone else is wrong.
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Pops Mgee posted:Lando has known Han longer than any other character that isn't Chewie, so I'm going to assume he's right and everyone else is wrong. Even Han himself?
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THE BAR posted:Even Han himself? Han isn't exactly the brightest star in the sky.
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THE BAR posted:Even Han himself? 
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Well SMG America just let the loving wookie win. I will love you forever for opening my eyes to a world of filmic artistry that changed literally everything for me (alongside many other insightful CD'ers but you were first and best) about how I viewed cinema, art, and life in general but now I finally feel this understanding of your concept of freedom fully and thank you and despise you for it. There is nothing in my being now but the knowledge of what I allowed to happen and the knowledge that I didn't do more (enough) to stop it. Palpatine wins because Palpatine wins (my phone tried to AC this to Palestine which is loving next level trolling me.)
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Picard Day posted:Well SMG America just let the loving wookie win. I will love you forever for opening my eyes to a world of filmic artistry that changed literally everything for me (alongside many other insightful CD'ers but you were first and best) about how I viewed cinema, art, and life in general but now I finally feel this understanding of your concept of freedom fully and thank you and despise you for it. Lol. loving Star Wars thread.
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Let's start our own Rebel Alliance wherein we assemble a rag-tag team of misfits and social outcasts and embark on a desperate (some would say foolhardy) mission to Facebook to wail and gnash our teeth and blame BernieBros for our own incompetence. Or just learn from our mistakes and organize politically and volunteer in local elections or whatever, but that's not as glamorous. But honestly one of the biggest dangers of a Trump presidency is the fact that he now has access to all those "emergency powers" Bush granted himself, and which we complacently allowed Obama to preserve and expand, thinking that the person in charge would always be someone virtuous enough to lay them aside when not absolutely needed, and never abuse them for their own power-hungry ends. Can't say Star Wars didn't predict that one. But then again it didn't exactly take a Nostradamus LOL.
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