namaste faggots posted:

Where's that motherfucker who lost his oil job and had to move to Victoria

Subjunctive posted:

Oh yeah, Alberta was always super excited to help other provinces freeze in the dark

Helsing posted:

Can we take a moment to talk about the part of that graph showing almost 80% of British Columbians think their province is respected

Risky Bisquick posted:

Too busy crying about his pay cut Actually I don't think he said he had another job, just he was moving lol

Helsing posted:

Can we take a moment to talk about the part of that graph showing almost 80% of British Columbians think their province is respected

tagesschau posted:

Helsing posted:

Can we take a moment to talk about the part of that graph showing almost 80% of British Columbians think their province is respected

quote:

In a national polling partnership between CBC and the Angus Reid Institute, 68 per cent of Canadian respondents said minorities should be doing more to fit in with mainstream society instead of keeping their own customs and languages.

The same question was put to Americans, with only 53 per cent of respondents saying minorities need to better adjust.

quote:

Former B.C. premier and Liberal cabinet minister Ujjal Dosanjh has written and spoken extensively about the need to address concerns about equality, race and culture in the face of blind devotion to multiculturalism.

He said the poll shows Canada's political leadership needs to pay attention.

"What you want is creative multiculturalism, generous multiculturalism, but not unthinking or mindless multiculturalism where everything anybody brings to this country is acceptable," he said.

"Diversity is great if we can begin to live with each other in equality, in understanding ... but we also understand our collective obligations to building a better society. If we can't live together with each other properly and make concessions to each other, then this phrase that politicians use — that diversity is a strength — is nonsensical."

Furnaceface posted:

Why are we turning into such assholes in this country? I dont get it. I dont see this attitude around me, yet it seems to be so prevalent that I fear I live in a tiny bubble of ignorance.

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

In a nutshell, I think it's the same thing that's happening in the States.

The fault line is between urban and rural people. Urban people are both used to living/working around minorities and seeing their wealth grow. We're more tolerant of them and generally satisfied with the direction of the country.

People in smaller towns are stagnant economically (the traditional small town factory jobs are gone) and frankly they are all pretty white places. New Canadians settle mostly in the cities, because (again) that's where the jobs are. So rural whites don't know any muslims, jews or even POC. They just aren't around.

So, you have rural folks hearing and seeing all this great 21st century multicultural lifestyle on TV but not in their own lives. They're being left behind and they're angry.

Subjunctive posted:

But isn't Canada more urbanized than the US? Why would the numbers look like they do if it's an urban/rural split?

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

I think it's a 50/50 split roughly in both countries. Don't have time to look it up right now, so if someone want's to correct me feel free.

Subjunctive posted:

Oh yeah, Alberta was always super excited to help other provinces.

Baronjutter posted:

The media likes to blow up the idea that HOARDS of extremely foreign immigrants are coming here with un-canadian values and refusing to adapt and in fact demanding we institute sharia law and we're only about 10 years out from this immigration resulting in the maple leaf replaced with a crescent moon due to the way they breed and how the left wants to give free housing to ever terrorist in the middle east.

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

In a nutshell, I think it's the same thing that's happening in the States.

The fault line is between urban and rural people. Urban people are both used to living/working around minorities and seeing their wealth grow. We're more tolerant of them and generally satisfied with the direction of the country.

People in smaller towns are stagnant economically (the traditional small town factory jobs are gone) and frankly they are all pretty white places. New Canadians settle mostly in the cities, because (again) that's where the jobs are. So rural whites don't know any muslims, jews or even POC. They just aren't around.

So, you have rural folks hearing and seeing all this great 21st century multicultural lifestyle on TV but not in their own lives. They're being left behind and they're angry.

Subjunctive posted:

That still doesn't explain the split, then.

E: in Canada in 2011 StatsCan says 81% urban, 19% rural.

Brannock posted:

I don't think you realize how self-masturbatory this post is. Like, really, take a step back and read it over again. You're painting yourself in the best possible light and The Enemy in the worst possible light.

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

No, I know it. But it has nothing to do with me. I'm talking about what I think is driving rural, white discontent. You don't have to agree but I don't hear a different hypothesis.

Brannock posted:

Meanwhile, Vancouver is transforming into a Chinese colony.

Brannock posted:

To be clear, you think that rural Canadians are discontented because they're missing out on the fun and parties of multiculturalism?

Brannock posted:

Meanwhile, Vancouver is transforming into a Chinese colony.

Brannock posted:

Meanwhile, Vancouver is transforming into a Chinese colony.

CLAM DOWN posted:

Chinese New Year parades and parties and beef noodle soup and xiaolongbao, bring it on

CLAM DOWN posted:

Chinese New Year parades and parties and beef noodle soup and xiaolongbao, bring it on

OSI bean dip posted:

I'm sure you'd have said the same thing about Nova Scotia turning into an African one during the 1830s and 1840s.

Brannock posted:

Parties and food are good and all that, but somehow I doubt you'd be as blasé if it were Americans in Vancouver government working towards American interests over Canadian ones.

CLAM DOWN posted:

Chinese New Year parades and parties and beef noodle soup and xiaolongbao, bring it on

CLAM DOWN posted:

I'm joking, lighten up.

Brannock posted:

Meanwhile, Vancouver is transforming into a Chinese colony.

Helsing posted:

Two points re: multiculturalism.

1. If I had to guess, and not having seen the internal breakdown of the poll, I'd say that Quebec probably distorts the numbers a fair bit and that if you did a comparison between the US and Anglophone Canadians then the numbers would be closer.

2. I''d also ask people to entertain a simple thought experiment. How strong a statistical relationship do you think there should be between someone's ethnicity and their choice of spouse or life-partner? Because at times it's not really clear how the ideology of multiculturalism (unless it's a very superficial kind of multiculturalism that reduces all "culture" to meaningless commercialized symbols like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny) fits in with a genuinely integrated and pluralistic society. In practice, the way to maintain non-dominant religion, language or culture is rather straightforward: you use formal or informal measures to control who your children mingle with and ultimately reproduce with. Long term multiculturalism - unless it's just an empty slogan - would seem to suggest you're comfortable with various ethnic groups (and I include white Canadians here) using formal or informal measures to try and ensure their children stay within the dominant culture. Should that really be our semi-official state ideology?

For that matter, if you want to make it illegal to discriminate against gays and want mandatory sex ed classes and secular schooling and don't think anti-vaccers should be given free reign to turn their children into disease magnets then you're really supporting a rather shallow and meaningless version of "multiculturalism".

Helsing posted:

Two points re: multiculturalism.

1. If I had to guess, and not having seen the internal breakdown of the poll, I'd say that Quebec probably distorts the numbers a fair bit and that if you did a comparison between the US and Anglophone Canadians then the numbers would be closer.

2. I''d also ask people to entertain a simple thought experiment. How strong a statistical relationship do you think there should be between someone's ethnicity and their choice of spouse or life-partner? Because at times it's not really clear how the ideology of multiculturalism (unless it's a very superficial kind of multiculturalism that reduces all "culture" to meaningless commercialized symbols like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny) fits in with a genuinely integrated and pluralistic society. In practice, the way to maintain non-dominant religion, language or culture is rather straightforward: you use formal or informal measures to control who your children mingle with and ultimately reproduce with. Long term multiculturalism - unless it's just an empty slogan - would seem to suggest you're comfortable with various ethnic groups (and I include white Canadians here) using formal or informal measures to try and ensure their children stay within the dominant culture. Should that really be our semi-official state ideology?

For that matter, if you want to make it illegal to discriminate against gays and want mandatory sex ed classes and secular schooling and don't think anti-vaccers should be given free reign to turn their children into disease magnets then you're really supporting a rather shallow and meaningless version of "multiculturalism".

namaste faggots posted:

Beef noodles are a recent invention by Chiang kai shek who believed the awesome and crazy trope that advanced societies consumed more protein and thus invented the dish to stimulate the Taiwanese (republic of China) beef industry.