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HaitianDivorce posted:Wait what? I just scanned over the section in my copy and I didn't see anything hinting toward that. And even if he is a Blackfyre I still think I'd like him more than Dany because he ends ADwD actually loving accomplishing something rather than making GBS threads himself back where he started. It's Brienne's sixth or seventh chapter. quote:...He forged a new sign for the yard, a three-headed dragon of black iron that he hung from a wooden post. The beast was so big it had to be made in a dozen pieces, joined with rope and wire. When the wind blew it would clank and clatter, so the inn became known far and wide as the Clanking Dragon." The red rust of the Targaryean's covers up the the Blackfyre colors underneath. It's not exactly definitive proof or anything, it's just a part of the "Aegon is probably a Blackfyre" theory. The rest of the evidence comes from Tyrion's conversations with Illyrio and the other conspirators. It's also a good explanation for why the Golden Company is involved despite the fact that they've been fighting the Targs for a hundred years.
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Potooweet posted:Here's a Septon who speaks in bullshit and metaphor but also lets you know that the Hound is alive and that Aegon is a Blackfyre! I thought he was one of the best parts of that book  . The only things I remember (fondly) from AFFC were him and Cersei's comedy show.
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tanker posted:I thought he was one of the best parts of that book Yeah he was fine. He suffers from his function, which is to give the reader vague slices of information as set up without directly stating anything. Jaimie and Cersei's chapters were good.I found Cersei's chapters to be more entertaining the second time round because you can truly enjoy the depths of her stupidity. Arianne is basically Dornish Cersei for two chapters, only less interesting. "My brother went to Essos? The Golden Company broke a contract? These events must be connected and also focus on me! The only solution is to kidnap a ten year old and drag her into the desert with a merry band of morons, a Kingsguard with some issues, and also Spanish Batman."
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Brienne's AFFC chapters are some of the best chapters in the entire series. Don't tell me you found them unenjoyable because GRRM spoilered the ending and you know she's not actually going to catch up with Sansa. People also neglect to mention Sansa's chapters which are pretty drat awesome although too few and far between. AFFC is much better than ADWD, which is also not nearly as bad as some would have you think.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Brienne's AFFC chapters are some of the best chapters in the entire series. Brienne's chapters weren't god awful for the reason you knew she told never find Sansa, they were god awful because they spun their tires too much. You could honestly sum up the lot of them by "I'm looking for a girl of 5 and 10(or whatever) with blue eyes and blah blah blah.." And "Brienne doesn't find Sansa." Reading through her chapters, I be we picked up on The Hound being alive still (I can hope he is) and the whole Aegon Blackfyre thing either. Sure she gets to kill some people but overall it feels like a travel journal with no real conclusive reason other than to give vague bits of exposition that are so subtle that only a conspiracy theorist could pull from them. I think GURM is far too subtle in his writing at times. Sansa had the best chapters though by far. She was honestly my favorite character and the only character I felt has grown in the entire series both physically and mentally. She's the only reason I am reading Winds.
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I've said it before, but the problem with Brienne's countryside tour is we know as readers exactly where Sansa is and how she's doing. There is zero stress on our parts to have Brienne looking in the utterly opposite directions while Sansa/Alayne chapters are floating around. If Sansa's chapters had made the cut for Dance instead, it might have been actually interesting because we'd've been in the same boat as Brienne. Just really envaguen up what happens to her after Littlefinger spirits her away after Joff's death and you've got a quest worth a drat. I like the Brienne stuff but I feel very strongly they're underminded by our outside knowledge of Sansa's condition and location, so they feel incredibly stupid and useless regarding what is ostensibly their main point.
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Brienne's chapters being heavy on exposition is not really a bad thing, I'm not sure most of it can really be classified as proper exposition as in many ways it actually gives us an outlook on the aftermath of the war of five kings and there's a lot of 'wrapping up' going on. The chapters really aren't as repetitive as people tend to look at them in hindsight, the "fair maid of three and ten" gets repeated a bunch of times until Ser Shadrich mocks her for it, it's also symbolic of Brienne's own naivete and ineptitude. I don't know I just consider Brienne to be a very well written character, she's not just a tomboy like Arya is and actually struggles with her role in society and with the westerosi patriarchy.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:
That's funny, because I count one layer for each of the gods of Westeros.
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my cat is norris posted:That's funny, because I count one layer for each of the gods of Westeros. You are wrong. There is only one piece of cake in that photo. It is representative of the one true god, R'hllor. The Lord of Light. The Heart of Fire. The God of Flame and Shadow. He is the Red God, and that cake is his. The many layers are a metaphor for the many forms He may take--but in the end, there is only one piece of cake. Also, that cake was sliced with Lightbringer, so hands off. Only warriors of the Fiery Hand get cake.
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Potooweet posted:Jaimie and Cersei's chapters were good.I found Cersei's chapters to be more entertaining the second time round because you can truly enjoy the depths of her stupidity. Definitely agree on Cercei's chapters being much better on the second read. The first time through I was mostly just annoyed by everything she did and thought, but knowing how everything ends up just makes eveything she does comical.
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I love Brienne's character but reading her chapters was brutally rough. I never got the war-torn feeling of the world from her perspective. The places she went I thought were already backwoods shitheaps and the war just sort of knocked them over. Sam's dad's place I figured was already one before the war seeing as he was a total douche to begin with. The world was already starving ; we saw that in the other people's eyes a lot. I think he would have done better showing a large city being leveled or a once prosperous region torn to shreds: farms ripped up and salted fields, livestock slaughtered, people captured or enslaved etc etc. I knew, even if Sansa was not included until Dance, that Brienne would never find her. There was little to no suspense because she was trying to find a single girl in a massive world. Unless Jaimie found her in a town and told her to look there I doubt Brienne could ever find Sansa. In short; good character development and inner struggle, boring scenery with no real direction. I feel like all Brienne did was world build for her entire journey while accomplishing little. At least there was no making GBS threads involved. Maybe it was just Roy Dotrice's horrible Brienne voice that made it bad.
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Potooweet posted:It's also a good explanation for why the Golden Company is involved despite the fact that they've been fighting the Targs for a hundred years. Didn't someone flat out ask them this, and they said a dragon's a dragon regardless of colour, and all the black ones were dead anyways? Plus I think a bunch of them just wanted to go home anyways. e: Plus there's the Varys/Kevan scene, there's no reason to lie to a dead man.
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Narmi posted:e: Plus there's the Varys/Kevan scene, there's no reason to lie to a dead man. Oh my god that scene.  I don't have ADwD but the idea of GRRM closing it by just murdering one of the last few people actually capable of getting something done was so great I couldn't stop laughing. Pretty much the only hope we have for anything good happening in Winds is Stannis, isn't it?
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HaitianDivorce posted:Oh my god that scene. This is why Stannis and Ramsay are never going to find each other and the whole next book is just both armies wandering lost in the blizzard and taking big icicle shits all over the snow. Thats if the next book ever comes out, which it won't.
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Tofu Injection posted:This is why Stannis and Ramsay are never going to find each other and the whole next book is just both armies wandering lost in the blizzard and taking big icicle shits all over the snow. Breaking Winds of Winter, then?
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Narmi posted:Didn't someone flat out ask them this, and they said a dragon's a dragon regardless of colour, and all the black ones were dead anyways? Plus I think a bunch of them just wanted to go home anyways. Tyrion asks Illyrio. Illyrio says "Black or Red, a dragon is still a dragon." Narmi posted:e: Plus there's the Varys/Kevan scene, there's no reason to lie to a dead man. That is a hole in the theory, yeah. The only answers I can think of are: 1)Kevan wasn't the only other person in the room. The little birds don't need to know too much. 2)GURM has Varys lie to fool the reader despite how cheap and dumb that is.
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Blind Sally posted:You are wrong. There is only one piece of cake in that photo. It is representative of the one true god, R'hllor. The Lord of Light. The Heart of Fire. The God of Flame and Shadow. He is the Red God, and that cake is his. The many layers are a metaphor for the many forms He may take--but in the end, there is only one piece of cake. But R'hllor isn't the one god 
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Bad news, Wild Cards http://io9.com/there-will-soon-be-two-competing-game-of-thrones-porn-s-602849453quote:Lee Roy Myers, who's done porno parodies of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and The Big Lebowski, is still racing ahead with his porn spoof — which will be a webseries, not a single DVD. According to The Observer, Myers says he's torn between three titles: Game of Bones, Game of Moans or Game of Thongs.
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General Battuta posted:Bad news, Wild Cards http://io9.com/there-will-soon-be-two-competing-game-of-thrones-porn-s-602849453 We copyrighted that poo poo though! And by poo poo I do mean poo poo.
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Comrade Flynn posted:Hey jerks, I want to buy a first edition book to have GRRM sign: Comrade Flynn posted:Thanks! Looks like decent condition ones are going for ~$200-300 on eBay. I may just snatch one up unless someone has one to offer. Hahahahahaha. I wonder if mine will be going up in value or down at this point. I should seriously give thought (once again) to selling while the TV side of things is at it's high point. Paula Dean > GURM Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jun 28, 2013 |
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General Battuta posted:Bad news, Wild Cards http://io9.com/there-will-soon-be-two-competing-game-of-thrones-porn-s-602849453 Is this the first porn parody that will be less risqué than the source material?
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General Battuta posted:Bad news, Wild Cards http://io9.com/there-will-soon-be-two-competing-game-of-thrones-porn-s-602849453 Those are so unimaginative! Everyone knows it's: A Game of Bones A Clash of Kinks A Storm of Sluts A Feast for/of C....s (either one works, yes Crows still fits) A Dance with Drag Queens
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IRQ posted:We copyrighted that poo poo though! I believe you copyrighted A Game of Bones.
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Hunky Joe posted:A Game of Bones ftfy
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A Gash of Quims.
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Did anyone actually dance with dragons? I want my money back.
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Fog Tripper posted:Did anyone actually dance with dragons? I want my money back.
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Hunky Joe posted:I love Brienne's character but reading her chapters was brutally rough. I never got the war-torn feeling of the world from her perspective. I liked em just fine. I don't know why people are so down on them. Sure she is going on a hopeless quest in the wrong direction, but isn't that like, the major theme of this series? SaviourX posted:If only more bookreaders watched The Wire... I got banned for spoiling people when the TV series came out  It still pisses me off that everyone writes it "Omar", when it was Homar in the book. They also stripped out all of Bunk's sex scenes AND the sexual tension between him and Homar. But whatever.. its HBO.
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How quickly we forget Nimble Dick. RIP
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:A Gash of Quims. *Nods sagely* *applause*
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Fog Tripper posted:ftfy A Storm of Spunk sounds better. Less meteorological nightmare and more brazzers.
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Potooweet posted:That is a hole in the theory, yeah. The only answers I can think of are: 3) Varys doesn't actually lie. He just says Aegon is alive, which is objectively true regardless of his true identity, and let's Kevan assume what he wants.
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Aurain posted:A Storm of Spunk sounds better. I like A Frottage of Phalli.
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So how are the chapters coming? And can someone with a Gawker account Please correct those mouthbreathers??
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SaviourX posted:So how are the chapters coming? And can someone with a Gawker account Please correct those mouthbreathers?? 
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In It For The Tank posted:3) Varys doesn't actually lie. He just says Aegon is alive, which is objectively true regardless of his true identity, and let's Kevan assume what he wants. There's also the possibility that Varys doesn't think of the Blackfyres as pretenders, but true Targaryens - they were legitimized, after all, which started the whole Blackfyre rebellion. From Varys' perspective, of course Aegon's a true Targaryen. Might as well insist on that while shooting a dude.
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Fog Tripper posted:Did anyone actually dance with dragons? I want my money back. Considering at the end of a dance you haven't actually gone anywhere, I'd say it fits at least Dany's part of the story pretty well.
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