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whowhatwhere posted:Because implying the heir to the throne did something is far more dangerous, and sounds crazy. An ugly dwarf with a vile reputation? Much more believable Why blame either then? Tyrion is arguably his best customer. Varys may have known of the dagger already, but Littlefinger had virtually zero time to come up with the ridiculous story of Tyrion betting against Jaime.
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Jun 30, 2013 21:05
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Ok I haven't really posted in this thread much before due to the intimidating size, despite having read this series ever since ASOS was first release, but I just want to make sure of something. Everyone here understands that Gregor still has his head, right? Because we're smarter than all those other message boards that take Bran's vision way too literally, right?
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Jun 30, 2013 21:10
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Robb's and/or Ned's heads had to go somewhere.
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Jun 30, 2013 21:12
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 They sure did.
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Jun 30, 2013 21:15
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The Sharmat posted:Ok I haven't really posted in this thread much before due to the intimidating size, despite having read this series ever since ASOS was first release, but I just want to make sure of something. Cersei's maester was a bad 'un though so he might be trying to meld magic with maestering (which the order would no doubt despise) but yeah, Ned's head was all tarred up and put on a spike next to W. for some time so it doesn't seem like a viable candidate for a transplant. Possible author insert 'Marywn the mage' is an Archmaester who specializes in magic and the occult according to a shameful wiki I just looked up though and you really never know with GRRM.
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Jun 30, 2013 21:22
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Gregor's head was never taken off. The head Cersei sent to Dorne was a stand-in, most likely that dwarf with the grotesquely swollen head's that that sellsword brought her pretending it was Tyrion's. I thought it was pretty clear. Honestly, I kind of doubt Gregor even died. I suspect he's some sort of blood magic/mad science zombie similar to Drogo post Mirri Maaz Dur. Only with more response to stimuli.
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Jun 30, 2013 21:36
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Fog Tripper posted:Why blame either then? Tyrion is arguably his best customer. Varys may have known of the dagger already, but Littlefinger had virtually zero time to come up with the ridiculous story of Tyrion betting against Jaime. Basically the most convincing explanation is that Littlefinger is taking an insanely risky gamble because at heart that's what he is. This also explains his kissing Sansa in the middle of the courtyard, killing Lysa so suspiciously, and pretty much everything he does.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:11
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whowhatwhere posted:Basically the most convincing explanation is that Littlefinger is taking an insanely risky gamble because at heart that's what he is. This also explains his kissing Sansa in the middle of the courtyard, killing Lysa so suspiciously, and pretty much everything he does. He also does quite a bit of loving around with 'counting coppers' so you could argue that he's something of a stereotypical sociopath in basically all aspects of his life. Gets his little fingers in to every porridge pot he can.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:16
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syscall girl posted:He also does quite a bit of loving around with 'counting coppers' so you could argue that he's something of a stereotypical sociopath in basically all aspects of his life. It says a lot that I care so little about every other character this makes Littlefinger a favourite for me. Still terrible, just admirably so.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:23
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The Mutato posted:It says a lot that I care so little about every other character this makes Littlefinger a favourite for me. Still terrible, just admirably so. If he had attended the Red Wedding Catelyn would have been asking him why he was wearing a raincoat.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:28
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The Sharmat posted:Gregor's head was never taken off. The head Cersei sent to Dorne was a stand-in, most likely that dwarf with the grotesquely swollen head's that that sellsword brought her pretending it was Tyrion's. I thought it was pretty clear. Serious questions: why shouldn't there actually be a headless zombie Gregor right now? It wouldn't be all that surprising, given Marwyn's and Qyburn's knowledge, and it's a pretty cool concept. It's not like there will be hordes of unkillable dullahan zombies murdering everyone. Chances are, even when Robert Strong dies, we won't directly find out if he has a head. Maybe there's just a shitton of smoke once the helmet goes off, and present POV characters can't tell... Also, I don't think a dwarf's head could be mistaken for a Gregor's. The head is probably swollen from decay, and we just find out that the head Doran gets is really drat huge, but not malformed. Seriously, this could go multiple ways. Doesn't seem very clear to me.
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Jun 30, 2013 23:17
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Gurm hasn't exactly been subtle with his foreshadowing, I thought it was a given that Robert Strong had no head. The visions his characters have are always extremely literal, like everything Dany sees in the House of the Undying and Melisandre and "SNOW????". Plus Bran is a tree god and his visions are probably even more cogent than most.
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Jun 30, 2013 23:54
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Gregor could be headless with all the magic bullshit going on, but I always believed that Cersei just sent a different head to Dorne. The reason Robert Strong never takes off his helmet could just be that he doesn't want to get recognized as Gregor instead of the "he has no head" idea. I thought when Cersei was talking about sending the head, there was a lot of "wink wink nudge nudge" stuff about how people heads all look the same when they're skulls or something like that, but gently caress if I'm going to try to find that passage.
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Jul 1, 2013 00:29
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Torquemadras posted:Serious questions: why shouldn't there actually be a headless zombie Gregor right now? It wouldn't be all that surprising, given Marwyn's and Qyburn's knowledge, and it's a pretty cool concept. It's not like there will be hordes of unkillable dullahan zombies murdering everyone. Chances are, even when Robert Strong dies, we won't directly find out if he has a head. Maybe there's just a shitton of smoke once the helmet goes off, and present POV characters can't tell... It's pretty clear that when the head gets knocked off By Sandor, the faceplate of the helmet will shatter and reveal...his own face. Tyrion, in green facepaint and riding a pig, will then inform him that he has just defeated the evil that was inside himself, and now his redemption is complete. He will then be given a Saber of Light which burns with the flame of the Red God. Sandor Mountainslayer can then face down Darth Whitewalker, the evil Emperor Beyond the Wall.
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Jul 1, 2013 00:40
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There is no Clegane sister for him to slip the tongue to, though! Your analogy is flawed, his mask is a dog!
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Jul 1, 2013 00:42
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:There is no Clegane sister for him to slip the tongue to, though! Your analogy is flawed, his mask is a dog! Obviously he is not a Clegane, but a Stark bastard, hence his destiny to defeat the White Walkers. Therefore, he has already kissed his half-sister.
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Jul 1, 2013 00:45
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:There is no Clegane sister for him to slip the tongue to, though! Your analogy is flawed, his mask is a dog! Yes there is, she just needs digging up.
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Jul 1, 2013 00:56
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Jul 1, 2013 01:09
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rejutka posted:Yes there is, she just needs digging up. Yeah my mind was kinda blown when I saw someone suggest that this is why Sandor was so uncharacteristically kind to Sansa and Arya. They reminded him of the sister he couldn't save. A neat theory. I still say you guys are reading Bran's vision overly literally. The guy having nothing inside his helmet but black blood just symbolizes his abominable nature as a flesh golem. Do you think he's going to literally wear armor made of stone, too?
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Jul 1, 2013 01:10
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Yes, but then I read Malazan where a dude literally has a flak vest made of seashells and carries around a 10' shard of flint for a sword. And sometimes he rubs tree sap on women and they get really horny. I don't fuckin' know, man!
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Jul 1, 2013 01:12
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Yes, but then I read Malazan where a dude literally has a flak vest made of seashells and carries around a 10' shard of flint for a sword. More than anything else I have heard, this really makes me want to read Malazan. I need to find out if this in any way works in context, or if it is as retarded as it sounds.
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Jul 1, 2013 01:18
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Bulletproof Tiger posted:More than anything else I have heard, this really makes me want to read Malazan. I need to find out if this in any way works in context, or if it is as retarded as it sounds. It is loving awesome. That dude rules.
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Jul 1, 2013 01:23
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Karsa is literally Conan but like the worst parts of Conan but also the best. Fuckwhydoiknowthissss e: wait no his sword is a magic piece of lumber aahhhhhhh.
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Jul 1, 2013 02:07
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It was magical wood, but then he replaces it with magical flint which contains the souls of his bffs!  gently caress, I love Karsa Orlong. He's just non-stop insanity. I'm so glad he has his very own book. I would read about him and Tehol Beddict journeying the world forever, it would be the best Malazan thing of all time.
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Jul 1, 2013 02:18
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FrozenVent posted:I like how her lips aren't on the same plane as the rest of her face and her nose doesn't appear to be centered. The more I look at it, the more I discover. Tumor instead of cheekbones. Anime eyes. Eyes too faraway from nose. Nose too far away from face. Bottom lip birthing another chin. I kinda admire its commitment to poo poo, a true homage to its original source. EDIT: Forgot tree bark arm.
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syscall girl posted:He also does quite a bit of loving around with 'counting coppers' so you could argue that he's something of a stereotypical sociopath in basically all aspects of his life. So many of the people who rule Westeros fit the definition of a sociopath/psychopath once you think about it. Compared to them Littlefinger is almost normal. rejutka posted:It is loving awesome. That dude rules. Also he killed one of his gods because she annoyed him, let the others go with a warning, and proceeded to carry around the severed head (that would talk to him) as his companion. Narmi fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jul 1, 2013 |
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:It was magical wood, but then he replaces it with magical flint which contains the souls of his bffs! So would I, but more for Tehol than Karsa.
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Torquemadras posted:Serious questions: why shouldn't there actually be a headless zombie Gregor right now? It wouldn't be all that surprising, given Marwyn's and Qyburn's knowledge, and it's a pretty cool concept. It hadn't occurred to me there WASN'T a gregor zombie. That is interesting to think about a fake head being sent, and a recovered gregor clegane in that suit. I'm pretty sure its a zombie though, and I'm half hoping it has Ned's head on it. Clegane was far too unpredictable to turn into this quiet / silent / rage controlled dude. And with magic coming back into the world, I'm ok with q-burn's dark science becomine more powerful as well. Speaking of which - I'm trying to figure out if there is an over-reaching light vs darkness theme.. and it really doesn't feel like it. I mean they set us up for it... but I'm seriously doubting it will come to pass. Or if there is, there is some kind of twist ( there HAS to be a twist ) like the Darkness is the good guys after all or some poo poo. I mean assuming there is any sort of real "end game" planned for this series. The lord of light guys all seem like dbags. Zombies, blood magic, etc. And the different champions of the lord of light seem like very different ( and competitive ). Is it about battle between old gods and new? Is it just more power for power's sake, with no "good" or "evil". Whatever happened to that oldtown mage at the end of AFOC?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:It was magical wood, but then he replaces it with magical flint which contains the souls of his bffs! Hey, you forgot Ublala Pung, it would be a travesty if he was left out of a book that had both Karsa and Tehol as main characters.
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kcroy posted:It hadn't occurred to me there WASN'T a gregor zombie. That is interesting to think about a fake head being sent, and a recovered gregor clegane in that suit. I'm pretty sure its a zombie though, and I'm half hoping it has Ned's head on it. Clegane was far too unpredictable to turn into this quiet / silent / rage controlled dude. And with magic coming back into the world, I'm ok with q-burn's dark science becomine more powerful as well. Don't be pedantic. Themes and an over-arching plot structure would be too predictable for this next level literature. You old fogey.
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Tumblr posted:
Oh Tumblr..  (It's a nice parallel I never noticed, but holy poo poo Mereen, poop, Daario, ect. )
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Jul 1, 2013 11:20
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Everything horrible about Tumblr summed up in a single post.
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Jul 1, 2013 11:22
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Aurain posted:Everything horrible about Tumblr summed up in a single post. Nope, no social justice warrior types at all.
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kcroy posted:I mean assuming there is any sort of real "end game" planned for this series. The lord of light guys all seem like dbags. Zombies, blood magic, etc. And the different champions of the lord of light seem like very different ( and competitive ). Is it about battle between old gods and new? Is it just more power for power's sake, with no "good" or "evil". Whatever happened to that oldtown mage at the end of AFOC? Well, there's probably an overarching magic vs. maesters conflict going on, for what it's worth. I suppose Marwyn will become a central figure in that - once he arrives in Meereen, that is, where I assume he will do... stuff. So, yeah, that Oldtown mage spent the entirety of ADWD on a ship, waiting to get relevant.
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Jul 1, 2013 12:51
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Torquemadras posted:spent the entirety of ADWD on a ship, waiting to get relevant. The whole drat book
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Jul 1, 2013 13:23
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He only departs in the AFFc epilogue so only the latter third of ADWD really.
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kcroy posted:Clegane was far too unpredictable to turn into this quiet / silent / rage controlled dude. The same might be said of Khal Drogo. You don't seem to have understood what I'm saying. Gregor Clegane is under that suit. He is hosed up. And it is because of Qyburn's magi-tech. I'm just saying he probably has a head, and might not even be dead in the way that, say, a wight is dead.
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