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HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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JaucheCharly posted:

It was a spear, sry.

gently caress!

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HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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VanSandman posted:

Something something Hey Gal works the Pole something


There’s a pun here I can’t find it though.

Hey Gal! Your guys ever fight the Polish?
against and for, at different times

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy


Pornographic Memory posted:

i saw this and felt like it would be pretty relevant to this thread's interests:

https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/923826743198314498

A Czech army knife, you say

Truga fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Oct 27, 2017

Comrade Gorbash
Jul 12, 2011

My paper soldiers form a wall, five paces thick and twice as tall.

Pornographic Memory posted:

i saw this and felt like it would be pretty relevant to this thread's interests:

https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/923826743198314498
That is some Warhammer level stuff.

Tias
May 25, 2008

Pictured: the patron saint of internet political arguments (probably)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

HEY GUNS posted:

against and for, at different times

who here hasn't fought a pole or two

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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check out my new name, thanks JcDent


pew pew pew

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

HEY GUNS posted:

gently caress!

Recently a guy was shot and killed with a crossbow in Dundee. An argument at a party got out of hand.

Eela6
May 25, 2007
Shredded Hen

HEY GUNS posted:

check out my new name, thanks JcDent


pew pew pew

Not very honorable

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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JaucheCharly posted:

Recently a guy was shot and killed with a crossbow in Dundee. An argument at a party got out of hand.

the early modern period will always be with us, just under the surface of our comfortable modern lives

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

gradenko_2000 posted:

Are "infantry guns" still a thing? I'm referring to a gun that you use in a direct-fire role that wasn't designed to be an anti-tank gun.

If not, about when did it die out? I'm guessing WW2?

How effective are/were anti-tank guns when pressed into this role? Did they, like, make HE shells for 88mm guns for use in taking down a building when there weren't any T-34s around?

https://gfycat.com/GivingPessimisticItaliangreyhound

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

You're so far away from Hegelian Dialectics now.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

HEY GUNS posted:

the early modern period will always be with us, just under the surface of our comfortable modern lives

I don't know, it seems we're reverting to the period

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

Are "infantry guns" still a thing? I'm referring to a gun that you use in a direct-fire role that wasn't designed to be an anti-tank gun.

If not, about when did it die out? I'm guessing WW2?

How effective are/were anti-tank guns when pressed into this role? Did they, like, make HE shells for 88mm guns for use in taking down a building when there weren't any T-34s around?

I think they basically got replaced by a combination of air support, mortars, heavy machineguns, and AFVs.

It's kind of awkward to lug one around in a modern mechanized military.

But they still make HE shells for most tanks. And between that and the rest of the stuff you have, there's not a huge need to lob big explosive shells directly at things from a static position.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Oct 27, 2017

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Pornographic Memory posted:

i saw this and felt like it would be pretty relevant to this thread's interests:

https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/923826743198314498

You cannot tell me that this was not made to sell at a 16th century mall kiosk as part of a "vampire hunting kit"

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Pornographic Memory posted:

i saw this and felt like it would be pretty relevant to this thread's interests:

https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/923826743198314498

Huh, so you can make sure it's OK to eat meat, hunt and kill a meat source, and then butcher the kill, all with one handy-dandy multi tool.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

FAUXTON posted:

Huh, so you can make sure it's OK to eat meat, hunt and kill a meat source, and then butcher the kill, all with one handy-dandy multi tool.

All for only $19.99!

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Pornographic Memory posted:

i saw this and felt like it would be pretty relevant to this thread's interests:

https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/923826743198314498

What's 16th century Czech for Squall Leonhart?

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

What's 16th century Czech for Squall Leonhart?
Strč prst skrz krk

Tias
May 25, 2008

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HEY GUNS posted:

Strč prst skrz krk

skrz my krk

spiky butthole
May 5, 2014

OwlFancier posted:

I think they basically got replaced by a combination of air support, mortars, heavy machineguns, and AFVs.

It's kind of awkward to lug one around in a modern mechanized military.

But they still make HE shells for most tanks. And between that and the rest of the stuff you have, there's not a huge need to lob big explosive shells directly at things from a static position.

The Brits in particular love their hesh rounds as it tends to make a mess of anything it touches without modern composite armour and even then will certainly be a brown trouser warning for the occupants as it might be followed up before yours ears have finished ringing with a kinetic penetrator.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

I'm not sure if I should post this in the scale model thread or here, but Here's a article on the National Air and Space Museum restoring the wings of a He 219 'Owl' night fighter. In addition to all the work in what sounds close to macro-model painting, it also talks about the decision to restore the aircraft as it historically was, instead of it RLM regulation. (Apparently lots of 'spergs emailed to say the Balkan crosses were in the "wrong place" IE not the place where the RLM rules said they should be.)

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

SlothfulCobra posted:

You're so far away from Hegelian Dialectics now.

If I served as an inspiration, that's only fair; I know poo poo all about philosophy and some poo poo about guns!

Disinterested
Jun 29, 2011

You look like you're still raking it in. Still killing 'em?
When your halloween shopping sets off your pedantry:

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Disinterested posted:

When your halloween shopping sets off your pedantry:



You're probably the only one hoo noticed or cared

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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canyoneer posted:

You're probably the only one hoo noticed or cared
that's sutton off the members of this thread for sure

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
I bought a cheap Union soldier costume for Halloween and I'm worried parts of it might be historically inaccurate.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Disinterested posted:

When your halloween shopping sets off your pedantry:



It's a pretty dank helmet either way.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I bought a cheap Union soldier costume for Halloween and I'm worried parts of it might be historically inaccurate.

Does it not include the katana?

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I bought a cheap Union soldier costume for Halloween and I'm worried parts of it might be historically inaccurate.

Link

Edit: https://www.halloweencostumes.com/child-general-robert-e-lee-costume.html

Well... at least we don't have like, "Sexy confederate soldier costume" yet

Saint Celestine fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Oct 27, 2017

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

JcDent posted:

I don't think they're a thing anymore, unless they happen to be in AVRE's or something. Currently, a infantry squad had man portable stuff like LAWs, RPGs and Carl Gustavs, as well as under-barrel grenade launchers to take care of MG nests and other stuff that you needed a stubby StuG for. And when you need something bigger removed, you get an MBT to roll in and deliver some of that 120mm goodness. And if that doesn't work/you're stuck in some shithole that doesn't have tank access, artillery and air strikes exist.

Automatic grenade launchers fill some of that role between an under-barrel gl and a mortar and I think would be the most analogous to infantry guns, especially the WW1 light support guns like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_d%27Infanterie_de_37_mod%E8le_1916_TRP

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

GreyjoyBastard posted:

That's why everyone should have one for home defense

I actually keep a warhammer by my bed, in case someone breaks in or something.







Ok, I bought it after watching too much Game of Thrones and had to do something with it, once it had arrived.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Saint Celestine posted:

Link

Edit: https://www.halloweencostumes.com/child-general-robert-e-lee-costume.html

Well... at least we don't have like, "Sexy confederate soldier costume" yet

You fool! Don't------

:nws: oh no:nws:

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

Huh. Been a while since I saw a Hitmen for Destiny avatar. Is Trixie Slaughterhouse for President still ongoing?

Ghetto Prince
Sep 11, 2010

got to be mellow, y'all
A period accurate uniform with all the kit will set you back like ~$1200, although taking an 1855 Springfield and bayonet to a party is probably a bad idea.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
Beware, take care, keep your garden fair
Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




You clearly go to the wrong parties.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Anyone here know if the series about the US bomber crews ever got off the ground(hurrr)? It was called The Mighty Eight or something, to follow the Pacific and BoB.

Comrade Gorbash
Jul 12, 2011

My paper soldiers form a wall, five paces thick and twice as tall.
The Mighty Eighth in reference the 8th Air Force, and supposedly it's in production with a huge budget and should be out ~2019.

EDIT: The name is a bit of an anachronism. It comes from the title of Roger Freeman's book about the 8 AF during World War 2 which was published in 1970 and was picked up as a nickname after that.

Comrade Gorbash fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Oct 27, 2017

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Comrade Gorbash posted:

Post-WW2, crew serviced recoilless rifles seem to have ended up taking over this role for pretty much everyone. They were generally designed for the anti-tank role, but were also used pretty extensively for direct-fire support. The US designed the M20 as an anti-tank gun in WW2 but by Korea found it wasn't effective against the T-34. It still turned out to be extremely useful against pillboxes, lighter armored vehicles, dug in infantry - basically the sorts of targets you describe. The M40 was used in similar ways in Vietnam.

As you get to Vietnam and later, I agree with JcDent. The role kind of got squeezed out at both ends over time. At the higher end, radio directed artillery, self-propelled guns, infantry mortars, and air strikes were quicker to bring to bear and more readily available. At the low end, RPGs and other infantry portable rocket launchers, grenade launchers, and shoulder fired recoilless rifles the M18, M67*, and today the Carl Gustaf, became both lighter, more powerful, and more widely issued.

The experience in Afghanistan and Iraq suggests that there may be a niche for an updated weapon more like the old M20 - it'd be a lot more powerful than the M20 considering how much they get out of the Carl Gustaf, but a two- to three-crew bipod or tripod mounted weapon in the same weight range (~100lbs/47kg).

*The M67 is a little weird because it was designed to be operated like the M20, as a mounted crew serviced weapon, but it weighs less than the M18 which was designed for shoulder firing. In practical terms it was used more like the M18 and Carl Gustaf.

The Carl etc are basically a logical portable evolution of the recoilless rifle (firing principles are the same, capabilities are similar), which trades some firepower for mobility.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

That dude lives, kind of amazing how bad HEAT is at killing things that aren't armor.

Kafouille
Nov 5, 2004

Think Fast !
Overpressure makes most of the sound and visual effects for an explosion, but it's the fragments that kill. And HEAT warheads are not made to make fragments.

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Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Kafouille posted:

Overpressure makes most of the sound and visual effects for an explosion, but it's the fragments that kill. And HEAT warheads are not made to make fragments.

Well, sorta. If the pressure wave and subsequent vaccum was powerful enough...say... from a thermobaric, it could definitely kill.

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