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Bongo Bill posted:I kind of get the feeling the relationship is doomed to failure, not because of unheeded warnings or demented clowns, but because, like the ones that have played out entirely off-screen, it's teenage infatuation. For some reason I can't quite put my finger on, I'm not feeling the chemistry here. Maybe it's just me. Are you suggesting that this relationship might be toxic to begin with? And doomed to fail regardless? Perhaps the fact that Rose has no idea how to correctly use a pail might serve as the straw to break the camel's back, so to speak, and will come as no surprise...
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Ariong posted:I think maybe you should re-consider what is and sin't worth posting. For instance: your ships? Not worth posting. Your opinion on the pairings in the comic? Not worth posting. What about empty criticisms of harmless posts? Are they worth posting? I don't think the old iron-e-meter could take it if they weren't  Bongo Bill posted:I kind of get the feeling the relationship is doomed to failure, not because of unheeded warnings or demented clowns, but because, like the ones that have played out entirely off-screen, it's teenage infatuation. For some reason I can't quite put my finger on, I'm not feeling the chemistry here. Maybe it's just me. That's a pretty John thing to say. And right after we had the Thief of Light lecture us at length on how relationships probably aren't meant to last forever, too! Whether it ends or not, that it has (barring sudden cold feet) begun to me seems like the point; I'm not enough of an expert on Rose, Kanaya, and literary analysis to say exactly why, but even as a temporary thing I can see both of them getting a lot out of it. Mostly both of them lightening the gently caress up re: interpersonal relationships. ComradeCosmobot posted:Perhaps the fact that Rose has no idea how to correctly use a pail might serve as the straw to break the camel's back, so to speak, and will come as no surprise... The only purpose of a pail is to induce intense embarrassment in the recipient of its contents. This purpose transcends culture and reality, and I'm sure you'll agree, if we've been reading the same story, that Rose knows this purpose very well. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Oct 26, 2012 |
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Oct 26, 2012 22:05
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Technique posted:On the subject of angels, this thing is basically a pretty interesting theory, if you ask me. I feel like this didn't get enough love
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Oct 26, 2012 22:12
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Are you suggesting that this relationship might be toxic to begin with? And doomed to fail regardless? Perhaps the fact that Rose has no idea how to correctly use a pail might serve as the straw to break the camel's back, so to speak, and will come as no surprise... I know this is a CAD reference, but the funniest way this mood could be killed is if it turns out there's certain physical incompatibilities between trolls and humans that sinks their interest in each other. Mostly because of how Dave would stick his fingers in his ears and start screaming as soon as Rose tried to explain the situation to him.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:12
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Bongo Bill posted:I kind of get the feeling the relationship is doomed to failure, not because of unheeded warnings or demented clowns, but because, like the ones that have played out entirely off-screen, it's teenage infatuation. For some reason I can't quite put my finger on, I'm not feeling the chemistry here. Maybe it's just me. I agree. I always felt these two were too much alike to be all that interesting. The only way it could be interesting is if Rose stayed hammered. Though Hussie has proven me wrong time and again. Dolash posted:I know this is a CAD reference, but the funniest way this mood could be killed is if it turns out there's certain physical incompatibilities between trolls and humans that sinks their interest in each other. Mostly because of how Dave would stick his fingers in his ears and start screaming as soon as Rose tried to explain the situation to him. Of course knowing Hussie it could also go like this: Rose: Borf! Kanaya: Rose I'm really not ready for this kind of commitment, and we don't have a bucket handy. And that's how Hussie answers any questions people had about troll reproduction.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:25
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Bongo Bill posted:I kind of get the feeling the relationship is doomed to failure, not because of unheeded warnings or demented clowns, but because, like the ones that have played out entirely off-screen, it's teenage infatuation. For some reason I can't quite put my finger on, I'm not feeling the chemistry here. Maybe it's just me. I kind of feel like it relates to what relationships mean to the characters, in a way I guess? Like Dave(sprite) has a sort of 'to hell with it' attitude, so entering (or leaving) a relationship isn't a Federal loving Issue. What's important is how it affects his relations with Terezi, or Jade (or Karkat and John by proxy). With John and Vriska, I think something could have been made out of them getting together, but that was mostly covered with the 'date' with beta John? And maybe I'm wrong but I doubt most reasonable people would really care about the ins and outs of their relationship afterwards- what's important is how Vriska developed from it, and how it affected real John, who 'missed out'. With Kanaya and Rose though, I'd say there is some significance in the act of getting together in itself? Like Rose has had some trouble connecting with other people, and much of Kanaya's romantic problems have been in that she shows interest in people who aren't interested back, so now Rose making the first move sort of solves both?
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Dolash posted:I know this is a CAD reference, but the funniest way this mood could be killed is if it turns out there's certain physical incompatibilities between trolls and humans that sinks their interest in each other. Mostly because of how Dave would stick his fingers in his ears and start screaming as soon as Rose tried to explain the situation to him. Reminder: Dave and Terezi are dating. I think if there were any incompatibilities so world-crushing that they would sink the ship in and of themselves, he'd know all about it. ...the implication being I suppose that he's into that. Yeesh.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:34
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Technique posted:On the subject of angels, this thing is basically a pretty interesting theory, if you ask me. The connection with the Denizens is an extremely interesting point, though; the denizen associated with the Hope aspect is Abraxas (or Abrasax), the Gnostic Archon who presides over the 365 heavens, each created in sequence by the last, and - ominously - all the angels thereof. Homestuck borrows liberally from western religious traditions of all kinds, and Gnosticism is especially prominent here in these later parts. If Gamzee kept Eridan's corpse on ice, then it means he can be resurrected as a sprite. If he does so as soon as this intermission ends, it means this will happen on Jake's planet, where dwells Abraxas, the ruler of all angels. Eridan's use of the term "lord of all angels" suggests the prophecy refers to Lord English and not to Abraxas, though. We have no idea what the Denizens' deal is yet, nor the nature of the shenanigans that went down when various characters interacted with them, but this establishes another connection between them and Lord English. Let's take inventory:
The Denizens are a fascinating mystery.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:46
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Bongo Bill posted:We have no idea what the Denizens' deal is yet, nor the nature of the shenanigans that went down when various characters interacted with them, but this establishes another connection between them and Lord English. Let's take inventory: Lord English shows up when the universe ends. I'm not convinced scratching the session has anything to do with this---remember that the universe outlasts the session by at least 413 years, as witness the exiles chilling on earth much, much later. Also, Lord English's symbol is a ~ and a U superimposed, which calls to mind the tildeATH code ~U()... the deconstructor called when the universe is done with and it's time to destroy it and all of it's contents. Which would mean Lord Engish (or a Lord English?) is called whenever any universe ends, not just one with a scratched session.
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I'm really looking forward to learning more about the Denizens myself. I suspect the Choice that Davesprite referred to is something that has an indirect impact on what kind of universe the genesis frog ends up creating. Maybe the Cherubs and their universe was the product of an especially brutal session, where everyone made the choice to slaughter their way through the game as quickly as possible instead of choosing the (arguably) more difficult path? After all, not everyone even in the troll session opted for violence. We still don't know how exactly everyone handled their Denizens. We know Tavros completed his quest by talking to it and making peace somehow and Vriska murdered hers without stopping to listen to it. I think it was implied somewhere that Kanaya didn't just outright kill hers either.
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Oct 26, 2012 22:57
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Reene posted:I suspect the Choice that Davesprite referred to is something that has an indirect impact on what kind of universe the genesis frog ends up creating. I believe it was strongly implied that The Choice Davesprite was offered was either to fix Caledfwlch (so that Dave could break it again, which is apparently important) or himself (remember he had a huge bleeding gut wound, although that appears to have healed). But yeah, as one of the earliest ideas evident in Homestuck it's clear they're going to be huge when we finally learn about them near the end.
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Oct 26, 2012 23:08
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:The funniest part of that, of course, was that Jack and Annie proceeded to not actually be a thing. I don't understand how anyone can dislike Jack anyway 
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Oct 26, 2012 23:32
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Bongo Bill posted:I believe it was strongly implied that The Choice Davesprite was offered was either to fix Caledfwlch (so that Dave could break it again, which is apparently important) or himself (remember he had a huge bleeding gut wound, although that appears to have healed). The direct effect was fixing something, but I just suspect it has further-reaching implications. Having more insight into the other things the Denizens can do will definitely help.
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Oct 26, 2012 23:39
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Bongo Bill posted:I believe it was strongly implied that The Choice Davesprite was offered was either to fix Caledfwlch (so that Dave could break it again, which is apparently important) or himself (remember he had a huge bleeding gut wound, although that appears to have healed). "Fix himself" in this case could have something to do with the doomed beta timeline thing. It's not entirely clear if becoming a sprite has spared him his inevitable doom yet or not- being a game construct might be a loophole in that mess, or alternately, it might just keep him safe until his job as a game construct is 'done'.
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loquacius posted:Reminder: Dave and Terezi are dating. I think if there were any incompatibilities so world-crushing that they would sink the ship in and of themselves, he'd know all about it. ...the implication being I suppose that he's into that. Yeesh. That doesn't necessarily mean they've attempted to do the nasty yet, though. Remember, they're all still young kids, and are probably understandably nervous about the topic. I've honestly been waiting for a "Trolls/Humans are sexually incompatible" boot to drop ever since Terezi and Vriska started flirting with Dave and John. I would kinda prefer it not to be that way, since Rose and Kanaya are far too cute a couple, but this being Hussie, it's more than possible.
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Ominous Jazz posted:I feel like this didn't get enough love I went through this guy's stuff after the initial link. Mostly pretty interesting, though as usual there are some real stretches (ala apoordogsbody) - for example, trying to analyze Mituna through the lens of the Gamebro song is either brilliant or insane. Probably both. This post about Karkat and (more centrally) Gamzee is probably the capstone of his stuff, though. If you want to read some interesting spec about what Gamzee's motivations & purpose in the story actually is, might be worth reading. (Though it's a little long.)
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PleasingFungus posted:This post about Karkat and (more centrally) Gamzee is probably the capstone of his stuff, though. If you want to read some interesting spec about what Gamzee's motivations & purpose in the story actually is, might be worth reading. (Though it's a little long.) Yeah, that's a really good post too. Most of the posts on that Tumblr are worth reading. Also, am i the only one who tries not to put very much thought into troll genitalia and the specifics of troll/human intercourse? I mean, this thread is rapidly headed into Weird, it seems.
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Oct 27, 2012 00:16
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Arthur Crackpot posted:I've honestly been waiting for a "Trolls/Humans are sexually incompatible" boot to drop ever since Terezi and Vriska started flirting with Dave and John. I would kinda prefer it not to be that way, since Rose and Kanaya are far too cute a couple, but this being Hussie, it's more than possible. I'm not sure I see how it would matter much anyway. Sexual incompatibility with regard to procreation is a moot point for a lesbian couple; and if it's just a question of finding the intimate details of the other's anatomy kinda gross, it's something they can get over. Since it doesn't matter, it's not worth speculating about.
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Oct 27, 2012 00:19
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Arthur Crackpot posted:I've honestly been waiting for a "Trolls/Humans are sexually incompatible" boot to drop ever since Terezi and Vriska started flirting with Dave and John. I would kinda prefer it not to be that way, since Rose and Kanaya are far too cute a couple, but this being Hussie, it's more than possible. I hope it doesn't get mentioned at all because I do NOT want to see any MORE fan art regarding troll genitals when I skim tumblr's homestuck tag.
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Technique posted:Also, am i the only one who tries not to put very much thought into troll genitalia and the specifics of troll/human intercourse? I mean, this thread is rapidly headed into Weird, it seems. Nope welcome to the "I've Never Wanted to Think A Lot About The Genitals of Fifteen-Year-Old Aliens Club!" Not as popular as I hoped it would be.
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Technique posted:Also, am i the only one who tries not to put very much thought into troll genitalia and the specifics of troll/human intercourse? I mean, this thread is rapidly headed into Weird, it seems. Yeah. Hussie covered that subject in all-caps, "WITHOUT GOING INTO VERY MUCH DEAL" and that's pretty much all there is to say on the matter. Rose and Kanaya's attraction was always rather intellectual anyway; even if they're "incompatible" I don't think that would break them up. Otherkinsey Scale fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Oct 27, 2012 |
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Oct 27, 2012 00:54
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Carrasco posted:(I guess Kanaya could secrete anesthetics when aroused?) I am trying very hard to figure out what train of thought led you to writing those words. Are you... do you think she is Mr. Jinx? Except sexy, I guess, perhaps in honor of Halloween? This is a terrible conversation that we're in the middle of (w.r.t. the mechanics of 15-year-old sexual intercourse), but trying to export it to other webcomics won't help!
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Oct 27, 2012 01:05
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Can we not have this conversation, please?
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Arthur Crackpot posted:I've honestly been waiting for a "Trolls/Humans are sexually incompatible" boot to drop ever since Terezi and Vriska started flirting with Dave and John. I would kinda prefer it not to be that way, since Rose and Kanaya are far too cute a couple, but this being Hussie, it's more than possible. Hey I have an idea! Let's talk about something else. I don't know what. Let's talk about shipping again! That was a relatively decent topic.
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Carrasco posted:(I guess Kanaya could At this point I've gone from "Oh god I hope Gamzee doesn't jump out and attack them and ruin everything" to "I hope Gamzee jumps out and attacks them before this discussion gets the thread locked"
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I always thought there was more to Eridan's Angels vaguely resembling Davesprite in shape, but the Denizen's minion detail is definitely something to think about as well. I actually have to sort of give Huss a hand for being so discreet about the Denizens in general. We've learned so much about the game already, and had I been the author I probably wouldn't have been able to resist the urge to address them much earlier in the story, thus not letting people continue to wonder about them all this time. Technique posted:Also, am i the only one who tries not to put very much thought into troll genitalia and the specifics of troll/human intercourse? I mean, this thread is rapidly headed into Weird, it seems. This post being next to your avatar is an unintentionally hilarious combination, not gonna lie.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Hey let's stop talking about this. How about a new topic huh? I've been wondering that for a while. Perhaps when they all entered, they got shunted off to their respective planets and have to talk via pesterchatting again anyway?
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Ariong posted:Hey I have an idea! Let's talk about something else. I don't know what. Let's talk about shipping again! That was a relatively decent topic. Fair enough. Hey remember that time Rose got hammered and snogged Kanaya? That sure was a thing.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Hey let's stop talking about this. How about a new topic huh? Crazy theory: All four Quest Beds are on Jake's planet, because they all entered there. 4x Godtier Combo!
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Color Printer posted:It was probably mostly a joke about how few of them have had actual in person not-a-dream conversations. Jane, Dirk and Roxy all died and got woken up as their dreamselves, they'd have to die on the quest slabs inside their moons to go godtier. Jake's dreamself got killed before it woke up, so... can he even go godtier now?
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Arthur Crackpot posted:Fair enough. Yeah! Booo, all my ships have sunk. Suaimhneas posted:Jane, Dirk and Roxy all died and got woken up as their dreamselves, they'd have to die on the quest slabs inside their moons to go godtier. The quest slab also requires you to be bathed in the fires of the green sun.
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Suaimhneas posted:Jane, Dirk and Roxy all died and got woken up as their dreamselves, they'd have to die on the quest slabs inside their moons to go godtier. Unless Jane does a Lifey thing to resurrect his dreamself, I dunno. Maybe if he used his bed in Prospit's moon it might work?
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Ariong posted:The quest slab also requires you to be bathed in the fires of the green sun. This isn't an explicit requirement, just one that Hussie hinted might be the case.
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Yeah that seems unlikely to be something built into the rules of the game. I can't imagine many games go off the rails so badly as to have a prototyped first guardian, and Rose and Dave's trip to create the Green Sun was kind of a one-off.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Hey let's stop talking about this. How about a new topic huh? Ways to have direct conversations:
Ariong posted:The quest slab also requires you to be bathed in the fires of the green sun. We don't actually know how the slabs work. Haven't exactly got a control group to run a double-blind experiment, isolate the independent variable, and demonstrate a causal relationship between any of the involved elements. For this reason I doubt it's going to be important, and for that reason I am suddenly confident that it will.
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TheDemon posted:I am honestly not sure if this is planning or self-parody, or maybe inspiration? The secrets of homestuck are in SBaHJ. If you decode the whole comic, it cyphers out to one sentence - "the stonk of petroleum prebails thruout."
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TheDemon posted:I am honestly not sure if this is planning or self-parody, or maybe inspiration? It is all, and none, and something else, together. SwimmingSpider fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Oct 27, 2012 |
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TheDemon posted:I am honestly not sure if this is planning or self-parody, or maybe inspiration? Count the shoes on the beautiful wonan/foxy slunt.
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