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Herstory Begins Now posted:What's the process like? Is it at home or do you have to go somewhere for it? they have free testing sites all around the city. there's one on the 4th floor of my building and at least 3 others than i know of on my city block. you just walk up to one, they scan a qr code from an app on your phone as you stand in line, then someone swabs your throat. normally takes about 5 minutes total
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fart simpson posted:ive done 39 pcr tests myself since february 24, which is as far back as my records go. this is in shenzhen. im doing another one tonight lmaoooooo enjoy the next four years, buddy
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The Great Autismo! posted:lmaoooooo why four years?
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Just not a problem at all to plan my weekly schedule around a mandatory test that determines if I can leave my home or get carted off to an 1850's asylum
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Darkest Auer posted:Just not a problem at all to plan my weekly schedule around a mandatory test that determines if I can leave my home or get carted off to an 1850's asylum seems preferable to the alternative
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the priority and budget allocated to testing is still displacing the priority allocated to treatment of those identified as positive, which is why LHQW becomes the substitute treatment of choice, and why PCR testing for covid-19 displaces emergency treatment for acute conditions it's not about maximizing some healthcare concept as such, but about tracking covid-19 specifically, and in a way that perhaps doesn't scale especially well - e.g. at pandemic levels of transmission, wastewater testing is probably a far cheaper indicator of approximate levels of prevalence - but it won't let l'etat haul individuals away to glibly sketch, the obsession with sticking the onus on identifiable individuals is the neoliberalism in contemporary China's two-mind psyche making itself felt (whilst their cavalier treatment is the neoauthoritarian side) anyway, that aside, an essay on the downfall of Douban - https://restofworld.org/2022/china-censors-social-network-douban/ (from a long time ago, a handy (if dated) comic on stereotypes)
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Fritz the Horse posted:No more broad, unsourced claims or anecdotes on racism in China. I don't think it's a very productive topic for discussion but if posters are going to continue they need to provide actual official government policy, statements, statistics and not just hand-waving and anecdotal stories. The significant discussion that's going to keep having to come up is that china is becoming ethnonationalist via the way its leaders govern it and set policy — the defacto end product of rulership that increasingly attempts to utilize ultranationalist messaging, population displacement and culture purges, and a storied history of han chauvinism. It won't be relegated to a subject of academic curiosity; people are going to have very real very lived personal experiences of the racism that occurs as a result. If someone has a story about the extraordinary struggle of living in a country thereabouts because of racism or nationalism they got to personally experience or witness, I don't think the proper rejoinder is "I think I'm going to need the official government policy that person encountered; where's the statistics?"
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Heithinn Grasida posted:Also holy poo poo my WeChat moments is nuts right now. People in Shanghai are Pissed. When are they overthrowing their lovely ruling party?
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I like how they are getting kindergarteners to brag about china giving away free vaccines but refuse to give to I dunno give the populace that vaccine. https://mobile.twitter.com/ZaYeefly/status/1517104298139693056
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Slow News Day posted:When are they overthrowing their lovely ruling party? Don't demand things from people we are unwilling to do ourselves. On that topic, does anyone have any good sources/books on the collapse of the Qing dynasty and the warlord era. I don't have too much modern Chinese history in my wheel house and would like to read more.
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I need to find official government policy and statistocs on that governments racism? Oh jeez I cant find anything bad about whats going on in xinjiang. Must be no genocide. Thanks SA mods for showing me the light and knowing so much more than a wikipedia page with 219 footnotes I went through 200 chinadaily articles on racism and 0 had anything to do with racism in china. must not be a problem (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Despera fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Kavros posted:If someone has a story about the extraordinary struggle of living in a country thereabouts because of racism or nationalism they got to personally experience or witness, I don't think the proper rejoinder is "I think I'm going to need the official government policy that person encountered; where's the statistics?" if someone has a story like that im sure they can go ahead and post it, but “all the chinese women ive dated were even more racist than black people” is not a healthy conversation
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fart simpson posted:if someone has a story like that im sure they can go ahead and post it, but “all the chinese women ive dated were even more racist than black people” is not a healthy conversation No one actually said that though or anything close to that.
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Josef bugman posted:Don't demand things from people we are unwilling to do ourselves. We did it two years ago, guy. Democracy's great. China should try it sometime.
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MarcusSA posted:No one actually said that though or anything close to that. Bruh .. Slow News Day posted:Just to provide anecdata, I've dated two Chinese girls. One was insanely racist, like way above and beyond most things we find here in the US. Like "China needs to enslave the lesser Asian races" type stuff.
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Slow News Day posted:When are they overthrowing their lovely ruling party? They’re not going to and I doubt it will amount to anything in the long run. It’s pretty much already stopped, but it was a trip getting my WeChat moments blown up by pictures of George Orwell for a day.
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Where in that post do they claim black people are racist?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Where in that post do they claim black people are racist? Yeah I read it 5 times to make sure before I made my post.
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Despera posted:I need to find official government policy and statistocs on that governments racism? Oh jeez I cant find anything bad about whats going on in xinjiang. Must be no genocide. Thanks SA mods for showing me the light and knowing so much more than a wikipedia page with 219 footnotes loving hell. Could you please just drop it?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Where in that post do they claim black people are racist? i personally think that post is extremely bad despite the fact that he described it wrong, but you're right, you got his rear end
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do we have any goons who have dated both black women in addition to chinese? for a control you will have also have had to have dated a blasian woman who doesn't see race (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Varinn posted:i personally think that post is extremely bad despite the fact that he described it wrong, but you're right, you got his rear end i was combining two posts
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SlothfulCobra posted:We did it two years ago, guy. Democracy's great. China should try it sometime. Are you being serious here? Because I would vehemently disagree with most parts of this other than how good democracy is. It'd be great if we had one TBH.
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fart simpson posted:if someone has a story like that im sure they can go ahead and post it, but “all the chinese women ive dated were even more racist than black people” is not a healthy conversation Then don't have it, or suggest other people are having it baselessly Mantis42 posted:do we have any goons who have dated both black women in addition to chinese? for a control you will have also have had to have dated a blasian woman who doesn't see race yikes
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MarcusSA posted:Yeah I read it 5 times to make sure before I made my post. MarcusSA posted:No one actually said that though or anything close to that. it's close enough!
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I'm so anti-racist that I have created a detailed breakdown of racism by race and ethnicity, to help me identify probable racists.
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Josef bugman posted:Are you being serious here? Because I would vehemently disagree with most parts of this other than how good democracy is. It'd be great if we had one TBH. Can you confirm for me what your position is; advocating for democracy in a authoritarian state is bad because the residents are "unwilling"; how do you feel about advocating for socialism in a democracy that routinely votes down leftist candidates? Would you agree that there shouldn't advocacy in either since the residents seem to be unwilling?
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IMO the best kind of democracies are the ones where the majority of people are unsatisfied, 2/3rds of the citizens do not trust their government, all competitive parties enter a gentleman's agreement not to pursue wildly popular policies (& public opinion on policy statistically has no effect on legislation), and every election is framed as an existential crisis.
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I'm advocating for the overthrow of oppressive governments. All of us should be working towards that, through whatever means we can. Democracy is good as a means for achieving things. I'm saying that if we are not working towards the overthrow of oppressive systems in our own regions, we should not demand the same from other people. That's all.
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I'm hearing rumblings on a Beijing lockdown becoming more likely in the next week, anyone have a link to good coverage?
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Josef bugman posted:I'm advocating for the overthrow of oppressive governments. All of us should be working towards that, through whatever means we can. Democracy is good as a means for achieving things. Hrm, this argument of yours feels a little all too convenient. So people working to overthrow their governments, or otherwise think they live in an oppressive system you have no issue with them discussing and advocating for Freedom(tm/TBD/OC pls don't steal/Test Trademark Please Ignore) for other countries; but people who disagree with you as to whether their country or system is truly oppressive you don't think should advocate for increased liberties for people living in other oppressive countries? Is this correct? So China during the Cold War which considered itself the free-est country of all and was working to spread freedom to other nations in the global south should not have been doing so, would you agree? Since they weren't working towards the overthrow of oppressive systems in China anymore.
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ronya posted:the priority and budget allocated to testing is still displacing the priority allocated to treatment of those identified as positive, which is why LHQW becomes the substitute treatment of choice, and why PCR testing for covid-19 displaces emergency treatment for acute conditions more on the theme of "it's not actually about health outcomes": https://twitter.com/xinwenfan/status/1518070055036403713
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If you believe that your system of government is not oppressive and you are more than happy to live under it, even if you are frequently told of the excesses that it commits, then you should not object to people in other nations coming to similar conclusions about their own. Its one thing to call for change to be done in different ways, but don't call for others to do something you aren't willing to do. I don't think that we should expect others to do more than we do ourselves, that's quite literally it. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Apr 24, 2022 |
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ronya posted:more on the theme of "it's not actually about health outcomes": I mean, only insofar as their decisions about how to prioritize the best health outcomes. It could very well be that in they see the need to bring the count to zero first, then push more people to the vaccination sites rather than have them in and out of a high traffic area which is just going to make COVID explode. A similar thing happened in Ontario where the Premier was accused of letting old people die when the conscious decision was made to delay vaccinations in long-term care homes to ensure all health workers got theirs first so that there would actually be health care workers on duty.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Hrm, this argument of yours feels a little all too convenient. So people working to overthrow their governments, or otherwise think they live in an oppressive system you have no issue with them discussing and advocating for Freedom(tm/TBD/OC pls don't steal/Test Trademark Please Ignore) for other countries; but people who disagree with you as to whether their country or system is truly oppressive you don't think should advocate for increased liberties for people living in other oppressive countries? Is this correct? It's February 1941. France has fallen in June the previous year. The Blitz is in full force. What does George Orwell, certainly no obedient Stalinist toeing the antiwar line, regard as the highest priority facing Socialism? quote:If during this winter the war settles into another stagnant period [ref. to the Phony War a year earlier], we ought in my opinion to agitate for a General Election, a thing which the Tory Party machine will make frantic efforts to prevent. But even without an election we can get the government we want, provided that we want it urgently enough. A real shove from below will accomplish it. As to who will be in that government when it comes, I make no guess. (never mind the CPGB, or much less the PCF, putting itself through ideological contortions to rationalize collaborating in the actual conquest and occupation by actually-existing fascism as some gesture of anti-imperialism and condemning 'national defensism' as the highest ideological sin) In case there was any possible confusion that this outlook might have been held in good faith, it all evaporated virtually instantly - amongst the Stalinist and anti-Stalinist left alike - in June 1941) if an entire generation of luminaries could fall for this kind of thinking, it doesn't seem fair to expect more today
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MikeC posted:I mean, only insofar as their decisions about how to prioritize the best health outcomes. It could very well be that in they see the need to bring the count to zero first, then push more people to the vaccination sites rather than have them in and out of a high traffic area which is just going to make COVID explode. A similar thing happened in Ontario where the Premier was accused of letting old people die when the conscious decision was made to delay vaccinations in long-term care homes to ensure all health workers got theirs first so that there would actually be health care workers on duty. but they're pushing people to mass testing sites - hence the roving teams of test collection workers they're these little pop-up stations:  senior and immunocompromised residents have to present themselves too, no exceptions
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Josef bugman posted:If you believe that your system of government is not oppressive and you are more than happy to live under it, even if you are frequently told of the excesses that it commits, then you should not object to people in other nations coming to similar conclusions about their own. Its one thing to call for change to be done in different ways, but don't call for others to do something you aren't willing to do. I don't think anyone you were talking to were objecting to anything; they were just expressing their opinion that China would be better off with a different system of government then they currently possess; nothing about objecting to anyone in China thinking everything is fine. I also note that you didn't answer my question, do you also believe that your formulation extends to socialists living in socialist countries advocating for socialism in non-socialist countries? I also think you're glossing over two important details; what if someone agrees that there is a problem with their system but feel their vote in regular elections suffices as a sufficient effort to civic participation to undergo reform/changes? Do they still, in your mind, shouldn't express their opinion about what reforms or changes other countries should embark on? Is participation in democracy not enough? Secondly, you basically just assert the idea that people who disagree that their nation commits excesses are simply just wrong and thus still shouldn't express such opinions. Just because someone asserts some opinion doesn't mean it is factually true and thus should impact someone's decision making. Afterall the idea that a particular nation is committing "excesses" could just very well be propaganda, who is to say? Such a qualifier seems easily weaponized by bad actors. It seems to me that such a formulation doesn't hold up to scrutiny, easily violates the categorical imperative and cannot hold up the weight of its contradictions. The simplest formulation, without any qualifiers is probably "People can express what they want" which is perhaps noteworthy is a fundamental freedom enshrined in many constitutions of democratic states and not in authoritarian regimes; very interesting how that works out. ronya posted:It's February 1941. France has fallen in June the previous year. The Blitz is in full force. I'm kinda confused and missing some context I feel; from that quote Orwell seems to be advocating for an election; which in a vacuum seems fine to me. But does orwell express why he wants an election? Does Orwell want think its needed to determine if the people want to continue the war? I feel like there's a bit of a jump between the quote and you're commentary, can you bridge the gap?
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That's a lot of words to respond to me setting up a fairly simple moral idea. Ita a general statement and the first thing this was in response to was someone saying "has China overthrown their government yet". Again, fairly simple as a response. I don't really know what you want. I am going to answer your question but it doesn't really have too much relevance tbh. If you are working against systems of oppression, which will continue to exist but should be lessened in Socialist systems, then sure. I think people live according to their lights, and I can try and convince them as best I can, but I don't think demanding stuff of people who are very far removed from my context is fair. This isn't too much about China though, so I may well cease replying to this soon. Thank you for your time.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm kinda confused and missing some context I feel; from that quote Orwell seems to be advocating for an election; which in a vacuum seems fine to me. But does orwell express why he wants an election? Does Orwell want think its needed to determine if the people want to continue the war? I feel like there's a bit of a jump between the quote and you're commentary, can you bridge the gap? the tortuous context of that moment in British leftism is definitely beyond the scope of Chinathread; we can take it to PMs if you wish
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