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Pretty good posted:It's so hosed up and weird how The SJWs are insanely stupid and incompetent and ineffectual and normal regular people can see through their obvious idiocy but also they are master manipulators who control society, through a secret web of mutual assistance This is literally how fascism works, you see it constantly in alt right/chud spheres. The left is a bunch of puny snowflakes with underwater basket weaving degrees who are the laughing stock of Real America, but the left is also the deep state that controls everything that will destroy Real America unless they are stopped. The narrative changes depending on the fascists need to be either powerful or persecuted at any given moment
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FactsAreUseless posted:They're insane. Sometimes people get it wrong, like saying that we can't delete or move or rename forums, which happens all the time. But there are some real weird things that can't be changed. For instance: admins have a Delete Post button. They very explicitly can't use it, because it breaks threads. Why is it there? Because somehow it's built into the core functionality so deep that touching it would cause some sort of major issue. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head, but I remember ZDR saying he once broke the forums entirely by changing a smilie tag or some other really minor poo poo. I can definitely believe that, but it seems like hiding it so it's no longer clickable without browser dev tool fuckery would be a really simple CSS update. Watch it turn out that all the CSS is generated on the fly by the same code and this is both why it can't be changed and why the forums are so expensive to host. Pretty good posted:It's so hosed up and weird how The SJWs are insanely stupid and incompetent and ineffectual and normal regular people can see through their obvious idiocy but also they are master manipulators who control society, through a secret web of mutual assistance 
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ToxicFrog posted:I can definitely believe that, but it seems like hiding it so it's no longer clickable without browser dev tool fuckery would be a really simple CSS update.
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Dec 11, 2019 20:22
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Dec 11, 2019 20:23
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We were always told that it would be fixed by the coder, a real person who existed. E: actually we did have Peatpot for a while he was pretty good.
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Dec 11, 2019 20:25
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Genuine question, how hard would it be at this point to just archive the current iteration of the forums and start from scratch? I realize it's pretty impractical but also the backend of the forums sounds infinitely worse.
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Dec 11, 2019 20:26
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CAROL posted:all the users have to be hand-coded into the database while the coder drapes his head with a linen napkin to preserve the precious bits and bytes and, some believe, to hide from God.
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Dec 11, 2019 20:27
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CascadeBeta posted:Genuine question, how hard would it be at this point to just archive the current iteration of the forums and start from scratch? I realize it's pretty impractical but also the backend of the forums sounds infinitely worse. Hard-ish? SA has a bunch of customizations that other forum software might not support and also all the money for that kind of thing keeps getting lost in Lowtax's Terrible No Good Bad Life.
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CascadeBeta posted:Genuine question, how hard would it be at this point to just archive the current iteration of the forums and start from scratch? I realize it's pretty impractical but also the backend of the forums sounds infinitely worse.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:they also screenshotted a quote of my now-gone mention of where the admin chat was happening by someone else and immediately went to "hahahaha these cowards are fleeing to offsite discords because they can't handle the truth" instead of the actual "best not make it easier to keep stalking vulnerable posters" SA is really a constellation of discords, slacks, and various offsites all observing and interacting with the forums themselves and it's weird for people on a stalker offsite with a love/hate relationship to think that being on an offsite is a sign of cowardice. self loathing i guess
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It's been planned a few times but Lowtax keeps picking the guys selling message board software out of a van, and things fall apart.FactsAreUseless posted:I think this was the plan with Xenforo, but it fell through for whatever reason. That time I think he was waiting for a Xenforo version update that was taking forever? Then he didn't have the money anymore. Aphrodite has a new favorite as of 20:31 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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It's a beautiful ancient city, but that means if the roads aren't very wide.
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Seems to me the smart thing to do would be to push whatever button fixes the forums but that’s just my opinion
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oldpainless posted:Seems to me the smart thing to do would be to push whatever button fixes the forums but that’s just my opinion more like oldpost/avatarcombo
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oldpainless posted:Seems to me the smart thing to do would be to push whatever button fixes the forums but that’s just my opinion
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Radium is one of the original SAP developers, confirm/deny?
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Jerry Cotton posted:Radium is one of the original SAP developers, confirm/deny? radium went on to be a senior dev on lotus notes
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FactsAreUseless posted:Sorry, we can't push that button or else is breaks the forums. This seems poorly thought out
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:radium went on to be a senior dev on lotus notes Seriously? 
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oldpainless posted:This seems poorly thought out I think that's the point yuk yuk yuk
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Pulchritudinous posted:I think that's the point yuk yuk yuk Sorry, I was referring to every post I’ve ever made
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FYAD always looked like some kind of art project to me. The colorful, elaborate, seasonal signatures are legitimately fascinating and unique to that forum (and BYOB I guess.) Shame about the actual content of the posts, but given the state of things in general nowadays it's increasingly difficult to tease out the elements of the libertine atmosphere that allow for the sort of "art-posting" that it represents from the ones that allow the kind of hateful mockery to exist and for the bigoted to, implicitly or explicitly, slide their beliefs in under cover of irony. Transgressive humor can follow the same mental avenues as transgressive pornography or thrill-seeking - at least some portion of the population is vulnerable to being led down the road to further degrees of extremity, the same pathways that turn what begins as ironic bigotry into real bigotry, leaving the person with no semblance of how they got there. The outcome of participating in a culture like that is that even if you're not so vulnerable to its worst elements, you risk being carried along with the tide of people who are, and find yourself in the unenviable position of defending the bigotry in order to defend the wider culture. I hope at least some of the banned FYAD posters, who are not, or at least don't want to be, bigoted can reflect on how things ended up this way without falling into the viper's nest of conspiracy and rejoin the rest of the forums without being tempted to revive old feuds. If you're one of the FYAD exiles and are reading this and are still hurt and angry and wanting to blame the trans thread posters or Koala's March or whoever, I think the strongest evidence of the deeper problem that can't be denied by anyone thinking seriously about it was the presence of someone in one of the QCS threads who was openly advertising their Discord as a refuge for FYAD posters that would be free from whatever perceived persecution (I don't remember the exact phrasing except the word "cuck" was used unironically, and I'm not about to go dig for it; if you were following the thread, you probably saw it.) It was posted pretty early on, so it was at least obvious to that person which way the tide was turning, and that should be enough to give anyone pause - if that guy felt not only that his recruiting attempt had some caché, at that particular moment when tensions were at their peak, and made a direct appeal to the posters in question to invite them somewhere on the very basis that open bigotry would be permitted and encouraged... even if you disagree with the criticisms other posters levied against FYAD, the shady man standing there waiting for his moment to extend his hand should be at the very least unsettling. You could make the case for off-site agents of chaos and such, but I'm not equipped to peel that onion. I don't personally read FYAD often enough to have known how bad things were prior to a couple of days ago, but seeing that guy make such a brazen appeal to jump ship and join an uncucked discord was existentially revolting to me even as someone who isn't invested in FYAD's continued existence. Someone made the argument that doxxing was against FYAD's culture, and that's probably broadly true, but there's evidence that even if the FYAD clique doesn't doxx people, there are other eyes and hands that are absolutely willing to do that, who are not obvious but can use FYAD's culture as a magnifying glass to identify other posters who they want to target. And that's a problem for all of us.
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Oxxidation posted:i hate every web design innovation made after 2005 and so i am greatly appreciative of SA's flaming-dogshit code rendering it immune to any but the most minor "improvements"  Whenever I venture into some other social media/community host website I am constantly irritated by all the little design “features” that just end up being a bunch more poo poo you have to adjust to for no benefit. Like how on Reddit when you click a link it brings up a little box with the contents in it and you have to find a tiny little secondary link to open a second box that contains the link that actually takes you to the linked location.I feel like an old man yelling about how nobody reads newspapers anymore.
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oldpainless posted:Sorry, I was referring to every post I’ve ever made More like old postless
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angerbeet posted:The admin panel is... Let's just say there were certain usergroups simply labelled "do not touch - ever!" and I'm pretty sure no one knows what they do but are clearly of vital importance to the system. the end of ren and stimpy space madness but its the admins hovering their cursor over the forums self destruct button as hundreds of qcs reports fill up the queue.
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CascadeBeta posted:Genuine question, how hard would it be at this point to just archive the current iteration of the forums and start from scratch? I realize it's pretty impractical but also the backend of the forums sounds infinitely worse. Lowtax doesn't want to do what would be the easiest thing -- *totally* starting the forums engine over from scratch -- because of what that would look like from a business perspective, to wipe out everything his customers have already paid for. Instead the official plan was to import all the forums data to Xenforo. That's a lot of data per user. You'd also have to actually implement all the features that each user is supposed to have paid for, since they likely don't come with stock Xenforo. I think he even planned to import the huge database of live posts, and all obscure quirky features (easter eggs, not just things like the smilies list). Ultimately, trying to massage the Xenforo platform to do a bunch of custom stuff it was not designed to do proved to be too big a programming task for the nearly nonexistent paid staff SA hires. I pitched the idea of him making it a more gradual transition so customers don't feel cheated. That would let SA at least start the reboot up initially as an experimental offsite using: Some free low-traffic web host, any modern coding framework starting with the bare minimum features of SA, none of the data imported, 10 bucks to join, and slowly implement the forums features that are missing. Hopefully enough people voluntarily join over time to demonstrate if the new platform is viable or not, and then after they run parallel alongside the real forums for long enough, one day the switch could be made official (and the burden moved to SA's real servers that can handle real traffic), without worries about whether people are willing to pay $10bux to join again (since by that point many already will have). The question became "who gets to code that". Ideally Rich would hire a dedicated programmer for that experimental project, but YOSPOS /SHSC also has plenty of people who would collaborate on it for free. The former never happened and the latter was laughed off as a security nightmare guaranteed to produce the coding horrors that always come with open source projects. Happy Thread has a new favorite as of 21:24 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Oxxidation posted:i hate every web design innovation made after 2005 and so i am greatly appreciative of SA's flaming-dogshit code rendering it immune to any but the most minor "improvements" Same I just want to read posts in chronological order, maybe with some funny pictures inline, and then get to more posts by clicking links once, and I appreciate that SA's dinosaur code lets me be a curmudgeon
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I miss proper threading like good BBS's had, like BBBS and whatever that was based on. Every web-based forum is dogshit compared to what we had in the 90s. E: the absolute best thing about that sort of threading was: derails literally werent a thing. If somebody posted something off-topic and got a billion replies, they were all in one branch of the thread - or tree, I suppose 3D Megadoodoo has a new favorite as of 20:59 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Pretty good posted:It's so hosed up and weird how The SJWs are insanely stupid and incompetent and ineffectual and normal regular people can see through their obvious idiocy but also they are master manipulators who control society, through a secret web of mutual assistance Edit: goddammit
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Werong Bustope posted:Same I just want to read posts in chronological order, maybe with some funny pictures inline, and then get to more posts by clicking links once, and I appreciate that SA's dinosaur code lets me be a curmudgeon It's really a better conversation format. "Megathreads" ensure that the same continuous conversation goes on for up to decades, constantly evolving and refining itself and getting to know its players, instead of starting over each time like a reddit post (or hell, even a reddit reply, since those are non-chronological). No matter what happens in a megathread on a given day it inevitably returns back to the topic because of the thread title. I'm also going to go against the second most common complaint about modern functionality people think SA should have. Namely, I LIKE the lack of tagging users on SA, that is, the lack of a feature on SA to be notified when someone replies to you. In my mind, that's one of the biggest motivators to read *other people's posts* that other sites like reddit don't have. If you have to constantly refresh a megathread just to check if you got noticed, then you are going to stay up on the conversation far more than you would on reddit. You're going to broaden your horizons reading other people's perspective and sitting through them instead of doing a hit-and-run comment that reddit encourages.
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Oxxidation posted:i hate every web design innovation made after 2005 and so i am greatly appreciative of SA's flaming-dogshit code rendering it immune to any but the most minor "improvements" I tried posting on Reddit for about 5 minutes years ago and the system for reading threads is the worst I've ever seen in my life, I don't see how anyone uses it
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CAROL posted:all the users have to be hand-coded into the database the $10 to register is paying labor costs
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ASenileAnimal posted:the end of ren and stimpy space madness but its the admins hovering their cursor over the forums self destruct button as hundreds of qcs reports fill up the queue. I can picture the report forum as it must look at the moment and I do not envy whoever has to deal with it.
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For Reddit, change reddit.com to old.reddit.com. That's the interface they had up until a few years ago which isn't perfect but is much better than their "new" interface. If that still has too much BS for you, add .compact to the end of any Reddit URL (before the question mark if it has one) to get their super-minimalist circa-2012 mobile interface.
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FuturePastNow posted:the $10 to register is paying labor costs Artisanal hand-crafted poo poo posting.
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