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This GP should have been Modern-Legacy-Vintage
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Niton posted:Energy plays a bunch of cards which all contribute to a single resource pool (Energy), which can't be interacted with in any way outside of an unplayable 3 mana enchantment. Unlike similar mechanics, Energy is not taxed in any way for being on the card - leading to opening sequences like: Don't forget that this gives you perfect 3-5 color mana to cast literally any playable card in the format, too.
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Jan 6, 2018 20:15
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The Shortest Path posted:Don't forget that this gives you perfect 3-5 color mana to cast literally any playable card in the format, too. Right, right - and that one of the better Energy cards is a burn spell that uses energy to inflict damage. It's the closest thing we've seen to unconditional removal in years. Seriously, they refuse to push tribes intentionally at low CMC - how the gently caress did they manage this by accident? Niton fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 20:24
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Also, Andrew Cuneo is my hero. Look at those beautiful lands.
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Jan 6, 2018 20:37
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TheKingofSprings posted:Yeah, compare what has been banned across standards and you'll see a gradually decreasing curve for the most part. This is a really good post. I "knew" all of this stuff but having it laid out like this really makes the curve, as you put it, obvious in a way it wasn't before. Wow.
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Jan 6, 2018 20:40
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Why the hell is a pushed Man-o-War too much for standard?
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I mean one problem is that the turnaround on fixing broken poo poo takes so long. Core sets are starting back this year after Dominaria, right? They could start actually printing generic, staple answers then, having had time to see how bad their R&D has been and actually start making corrections. Stop trying to depower Standard. Reprint some powerful poo poo and let's gooooo.
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Jan 6, 2018 21:17
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Soul Glo posted:I mean one problem is that the turnaround on fixing broken poo poo takes so long. Core sets are starting back this year after Dominaria, right? They could start actually printing generic, staple answers then, having had time to see how bad their R&D has been and actually start making corrections. *6 months later* I can't believe they reprinted Thoughtseize in standard 
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Jan 6, 2018 21:30
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suicidesteve posted:*6 months later* Tears of joy?
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Jan 6, 2018 21:31
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suicidesteve posted:*6 months later* No one who isn't an idiot would be pissed off to see lightning bolt and path to exile back in standard. It would solve about 50 problems.
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Jan 6, 2018 21:32
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Saying “I can’t believe they banned Lay of the Land” is the most disingenuous argument in a long time.
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Jan 6, 2018 21:33
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Errant Gin Monks posted:No one who isn't an idiot would be pissed off to see lightning bolt and path to exile back in standard. It would solve about 50 problems. BUT MY FEELBADS
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Jan 6, 2018 21:34
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Kurtofan posted:It's been a while since I've played magic, can someone explain to me what's the big deal with energy and why it's such a problem? To avoid being parasitic, Energy was designed such that an energy card is theoretically playable by itself. Every card that spends energy generates it in some way. Longtusk Cub adds two so it can be a vanilla 3/3 for 2 mana, which isn't that odd of a rate. Servant of the Conduit is a bear that can add mana twice, reasonable. Whirler Virtuoso is a vanilla 2/3 and a 1/1 flier for 3, a bit stronger than Mardu Hordechief or Seller of Songbirds but it's a 2-color card so it's okay if it's a little stronger than mono-color cards. Aether Hub is Tendo Ice Bridge with a different counter. Harnessed Lightning is 2 mana for 3 damage, limited removal, sure. Then you have cards like Attune with Aether and Rogue Refiner that are reasonable with no outlet for the energy they produce. Attune is a spin on Lay of the Land and Rogue Refiner is a lot like Wistful Selkie. The problem is, they were all costed and balanced as though they were independent, and they're not. You play Attune then a Longtusk Cub and then a Rogue Refiner, that's 6 total energy so you have a creature that's getting Tarmogoyf levels of big for a 2-drop. But Attune still fixed your mana and Rogue Refiner is a 3/2 that replaced itself. Turn 1 attune, turn 2 Servant, Turn 3 Bristling Hydra, you have 3 energy left so it can activate twice making it super-hard to remove and it grows. Just don't spend the energy until you need to, and you make Harnessed Lightning that much scarier without having to commit to actually spending it. The cards were made to work alone, but by working together, you get the best mana fixing, the best creatures, and the cheapest removal in the format. How do you deal with that?
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Jan 6, 2018 21:38
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The actual problem with Attune is and Aether Hub is that energy is only deck that doesn’t take any serious penalty from playing 3 or more colors. Playing Confiscation Coup, Bristling Hydra and Glorybringer in a single deck is dumb when none of the other decks in the format can really do that. Context matters, because Attune isn’t Lay of the Land in context.
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Jan 6, 2018 21:39
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Angry Grimace posted:The actual problem with Attune is and Aether Hub is that energy only deck that doesn’t take any serious penalty from playing 3 or more colors. That too! All the fixing is firmly in Energy's corner, and since you're already there, why not roll with it! quote:Confiscation Coup I forgot about this one. It's costed like it's Mind Control, but it's a permanent change of control. When you pop Mind Control the creature comes back to you, but there's no way to reverse the absolute loss of momentum with Confiscation Coup.
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Jan 6, 2018 21:47
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suicidesteve posted:*6 months later* hell yeah baby
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Jan 6, 2018 21:48
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If you feel thoughtseize is too powerful for standard you are part of the problem.
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Jan 6, 2018 21:53
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playing 2 lands on turn 2 sure is a powerful way to ramp, tbh
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Jan 6, 2018 21:57
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Sickening posted:If you feel thoughtseize is too powerful for standard you are part of the problem. People are gonna stumble over themselves to say "but Devotion to Black" and "but Abzan," you know.
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Jan 6, 2018 21:57
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Kurtofan posted:It's been a while since I've played magic, can someone explain to me what's the big deal with energy and why it's such a problem? The manabase is really, really bad for 2-color aggro decks, so people are playing either mono-red or 4-color midrange energy decks. The 4-color decks have more consistent manabases than the 2-color aggro decks because energy has all the good mana fixing. That they didn't bother reprinting the Innistrad check lands in Rivals is bizarre to me. Come on WotC get your poo poo together. Like I don't see how the tribal decks are going to be playable at all when Kaladesh rotates and takes away the enemy fast lands.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:05
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:People are gonna stumble over themselves to say "but Devotion to Black" and "but Abzan," you know. I don’t think anyone ever seriously considered banning anything while Thoughtseize was legal.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:06
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Angry Grimace posted:I don’t think anyone ever seriously considered banning anything while Thoughtseize was legal. Remember when people cried about Siege Rhino? Good times.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:07
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Hellsau posted:The manabase is really, really bad for 2-color aggro decks, so people are playing either mono-red or 4-color midrange energy decks. The 4-color decks have more consistent manabases than the 2-color aggro decks because energy has all the good mana fixing. They seem to like one set of untapped dual lands for each color at a time these days (although obviously not always) . Energy is the one deck that doesn’t have to play a bunch of taplands to fix it’s mana if it wants multiple colors.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:12
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Remember when people cried about Siege Rhino? For all its many merits, KTK standard did press the G/x(/x) midrange button a little bit harder than might be best practice. I remember right after Fate Reforge came out and there was some horrible event with GW mirror matches trying to bore each other to death with value. It's just that usually there were other interesting options.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:13
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Remember when people cried about Siege Rhino? The snowball was a feelbad but that was also the era in which you could just play Hero’s Downfall to kill anything that bugged you enough. What exactly do you do now when Glorybringer comes down? (Harnessed Lightning...played by the Glorybringer deck of course) I don’t get why Banishing Light mysteriously became too powerful for standard either.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:14
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Angry Grimace posted:The snowball was a feelbad but that was also the era in which you could just play Hero’s Downfall to kill anything that bugged you enough. What exactly do you do now when Glorybringer comes down? Black losing Grasp of Darkness allowed Glory-B to run unchecked.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:16
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Hellsau posted:The manabase is really, really bad for 2-color aggro decks, so people are playing either mono-red or 4-color midrange energy decks. The 4-color decks have more consistent manabases than the 2-color aggro decks because energy has all the good mana fixing. Enemy lands in Dominaria?
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Jan 6, 2018 22:16
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Dear lord, on GP Coverage the Storm player has Baral out against lil' Thalia. Taxes player plays Leonin Arbiter, and at the end of turn Storm player casts Pyretic Ritual into Gifts Ungiven. and puts both cards into the graveyard because they didn't pay for Arbiter
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Jan 6, 2018 22:16
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DangerDongs posted:Black losing Grasp of Darkness allowed Glory-B to run unchecked. Grasp was never intended to be legal at the same time as Glorybringer. The intent was always that you are intended hold up 4 mana to stop it. And sure Fatal Push is legal but in Standard Fatal Push is basically just Shock but for the fact that Longtusk Cub still dies to it even when it’s a 6/6 2-drop. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 22:16
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TheKingofSprings posted:Enemy lands in Dominaria? Surely they'll just print the reliably good pain lands in Dominaria.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:18
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Hellsau posted:Dear lord, on GP Coverage the Storm player has Baral out against lil' Thalia. Taxes player plays Leonin Arbiter, and at the end of turn Storm player casts Pyretic Ritual into Gifts Ungiven. As a taxes player who has had that happen- it feels SO good.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:19
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What makes you think they would do that? They’re going to print some kind of enemy ETB tapped land cycle if I had to guess based on history. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 22:21
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Angry Grimace posted:What makes you think they would do that? Dominaria is only 269 cards so I'm actually real concerned that there'll actually be enough dual lands to allow the format to function.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:34
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oh wait no i'm not i don't give a poo poo about standard
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Jan 6, 2018 22:38
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Fingers McLongDong posted:As a taxes player who has had that happen- it feels SO good. It's on the same level as blanking out fetches and ghost quarters turned into strip mines 
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Jan 6, 2018 22:40
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Anyone else noticed how little they are showing standard on camera at the team gp?
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Jan 6, 2018 22:43
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Hellsau posted:Dear lord, on GP Coverage the Storm player has Baral out against lil' Thalia. Taxes player plays Leonin Arbiter, and at the end of turn Storm player casts Pyretic Ritual into Gifts Ungiven. This rules
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Jan 6, 2018 22:44
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Hellsau posted:Dominaria is only 269 cards so I'm actually real concerned that there'll actually be enough dual lands to allow the format to function. There is a Core Set after Dominaria. I read a design comment the other day that originally that set was a second large set on Dominaria. They were initially concerned that Dominaria as a plane had no real identity beyond nostalgia, but apparently they came up with so much that they expect to make it a regular return candidate unless it bombs.
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Jan 6, 2018 22:53
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anybody got a chart or something of how rotation works through the rest of the year?
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Jan 6, 2018 22:55
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An intern at SCG should cut out and compile all of Sullivan's card evaluations.
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Soul Glo posted:anybody got a chart or something of how rotation works through the rest of the year? 
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