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BattleMaster posted:I feel like there's two different and opposing messages there There are some conditions that present with very different symptoms in different people. For instance heart attacks are often missed and got untreated in women because they don't present with the traditional "chest tightness/left arm pain" that is commonly associated with a heart attack (in men anyway). Medications can also be a problem, since they may require different dosages or have different side-effects in other populations but they're often only tested on one particular group. Kimmalah has a new favorite as of 19:57 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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America has probably the most frightening and hostile medical system in the western world. If you're not a rich white you're pretty much encouraged to die or buy pain pills until you're addicted. I've had swelling and tightness on the left side of my testicles and shaft for literally years and haven't been able to convince doctors to give it more than a cursory glance and tell me to jerk off less. Under the vegetable has a new favorite as of 20:22 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 20:20
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Under the vegetable posted:America has probably the most frightening and hostile medical system in the western world. If you're not a rich white you're pretty much encouraged to die or buy pain pills until you're addicted. This works for the judicial system too, I think.
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Jan 31, 2015 20:22
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Under the vegetable posted:
You might want to see a doctor about that.
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Jan 31, 2015 20:37
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Seriously, if you have swelling and pain in your penis and testicle and a doctor doesn't even look at it, you should file a complaint with the american medical association because thats bullshit.
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Jan 31, 2015 20:43
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Every doctor I've dealt with has been if anything TOO insistent on me having tons of tests done, I've never had one shrug off a problem I've had. I get bronchitis generally once a year like clockwork around winter and my doc always wants me to get my chest x-rayed for pneumonia even though I've done that twice in the past and it's always bronchitis. Why would you not take a patient seriously if it literally just means more money to you or at the very least a brief recommendation to a specialist or something? Doesn't seem like it'd be any skin off their balls
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Jan 31, 2015 21:23
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Aesop Poprock posted:Every doctor I've dealt with has been if anything TOO insistent on me having tons of tests done, I've never had one shrug off a problem I've had. I get bronchitis generally once a year like clockwork around winter and my doc always wants me to get my chest x-rayed for pneumonia even though I've done that twice in the past and it's always bronchitis. Why would you not take a patient seriously if it literally just means more money to you or at the very least a brief recommendation to a specialist or something? Doesn't seem like it'd be any skin off their balls I think doctors deal with conflicting motivations coming from different parties. I imagine that financial and legal/ethical considerations don't always align. I have had friends experience both sides of that coin. Sometimes, they get what seem like ridiculous, unnecessary tests, and sometimes they seem to get the blow-off. As an aside, every time I see you post, my brain reads your name as "Aesop Poopsock."
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Jan 31, 2015 22:01
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Under the vegetable posted:America has probably the most frightening and hostile medical system in the western world. If you're not a rich white you're pretty much encouraged to die or buy pain pills until you're addicted. Seems to me like you should lay off of jerking your gherkin for a while.
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Jan 31, 2015 22:05
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Kimmalah posted:I had one doctor who basically ignored my complaints for about a year, refusing to run tests or do much of anything because at the time I was a teenage girl and they brushed it off as "it's in her head or she's faking it to hide an eating disorder" like it was no big thing. Once I lost about 30 pounds and could barely function they finally (grudgingly) did a test only because I wouldn't stop bugging them and found I had tons of inflammation all over my digestive system. I've always felt like if I had been male I would have been taken seriously much sooner and wouldn't have had to practically beg for a test. Under the vegetable posted:I've had swelling and tightness on the left side of my testicles and shaft for literally years and haven't been able to convince doctors to give it more than a cursory glance and tell me to jerk off less. I have a feeling you two go to the same doctor.
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Jan 31, 2015 23:15
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That's been four different people so far. One made me pay for a ct scan on my balls for some reason and had the scan tech look at it instead of sending me to a urologist or whatever you do. It's weird.
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Jan 31, 2015 23:30
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The Endbringer posted:I have a feeling you two go to the same doctor. Unless he's going to a pediatrician for his ball problems, that's doubtful. 
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Khazar-khum posted:It'd be more understandable if the family hadn't disobeyed medical orders and fed the girl while she was in recovery. That seems to have been what ruptured the sutures, causing massive blood loss and death. The family keeps changing its story about that. I can't find any real, reliable evidence that she ate anything other than a popsicle and nothing at all about her eating against Dr. orders post-surgery. Anyone have a source for this?
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Feb 1, 2015 00:38
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Centripetal Horse posted:As an aside, every time I see you post, my brain reads your name as "Aesop Poopsock." Probably something else I should talk to my doctor about
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Feb 1, 2015 00:49
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Kimmalah posted:Reminds me of the whole Terri Schiavo thing when her family insisted she was tracking objects with her eyes, then during the autopsy they found most of her brain (including the visual centers) was basically just liquified. Esquire recently reprinted an article that reflects on that whole cluster gently caress, written with a focus on the hospice where she was kept while her husband and her family fought to take her off or keep her on her feeding tube, respectively. Even though I followed it on the news as it happened, there's a lot of that whole debacle that I'd either missed or forgotten about, like at one point a local elementary school had to be evacuated because someone threatened a shooting if Michael Schiavo didn't reinsert the feeding tube. The thing that stuck in my memory the most was the disgusting opportunism of the politicians that got involved: quote:The bill was not merely aimed at one woman in Florida. A memo that circulated on the floor of the Senate described the case as a "great political issue" for Republicans going forward. The bill was aimed at voters in Pennsylvania in 2006, where incumbent senator Rick Santorum, who'd shown up at the hospice to pray with the Schindlers, had a rough reelection fight, and at voters in Iowa who would caucus in 2008 to pick the next Republican nominee. For its Democratic supporters, the hill would serve to blunt future attacks on them from the same quarters, even though every poll consistently showed that the public overwhelmingly wanted the federal government to butt out of the case. To vote for the bill was a careful act of preemptive cowardice.
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Feb 1, 2015 00:55
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Kimmalah posted:I had one doctor who basically ignored my complaints for about a year, refusing to run tests or do much of anything because at the time I was a teenage girl and they brushed it off as "it's in her head or she's faking it to hide an eating disorder" like it was no big thing. Once I lost about 30 pounds and could barely function they finally (grudgingly) did a test only because I wouldn't stop bugging them and found I had tons of inflammation all over my digestive system. I've always felt like if I had been male I would have been taken seriously much sooner and wouldn't have had to practically beg for a test.
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Yeah, it was hard to get taken seriously when I ended up having a suspected brain tumour because one of the symptoms was sickness which was worse early in the day.
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Feb 1, 2015 01:14
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I am never not thankful for the NHS.  And more on topic, have the Wikipedia article about Female Hysteria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria quote:Women considered to be suffering from it exhibited a wide array of symptoms, including faintness, nervousness, sexual desire, insomnia, fluid retention, heaviness in the abdomen, muscle spasm, shortness of breath, irritability, loss of appetite for food or sex, and "a tendency to cause trouble". In extreme cases, the woman might be forced to enter an insane asylum or to undergo surgical hysterectomy. Nettle Soup has a new favorite as of 01:46 on Feb 1, 2015 |
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Feb 1, 2015 01:43
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note that the symptoms of hysteria include both sexual desire and a loss of appetite for sex: if you want too much sex you're broken but if you don't want it when your husband does you're also broken, please refrain from displaying any desire of your own but always eagerly agree to please your husband or you might get forcibly committed
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Feb 1, 2015 02:00
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My favorite is when women who have a serious health condition want their tubes tied because pregnancy will likely kill them, and make doctors won't ok it because "you'll change your mind when you're older." Also: thanks doc for freaking out at me in the procedures room when I was on muscle relaxers on doctor's orders to get my IUD put in. Not letting anyone hold my hand and screaming at me before throwing everything down and running out of the room almost immediately really helped.
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Serious Cephalopod posted:Also: thanks doc for freaking out at me in the procedures room when I was on muscle relaxers on doctor's orders to get my IUD put in. Not letting anyone hold my hand and screaming at me before throwing everything down and running out of the room almost immediately really helped. What the gently caress did you do during the procedure that made the doc flip their poo poo so hard? Why would hand holding have helped?
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JibbaJabberwocky posted:What the gently caress did you do during the procedure that made the doc flip their poo poo so hard? Why would hand holding have helped? It's very painful to have put in (especially if you haven't had kids) and it sounds like the doctor was an rear end in a top hat. I had a pretty similar experience when I got mine put in (I basically had to fight to get it in the first place, and then the doctor was a real bitch about the whole process after she finally relented). If you're not rearin' to get knocked up you get treated like a second class citizen at a lot of OB/GYN places.
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13Pandora13 posted:It's very painful to have put in (especially if you haven't had kids) and it sounds like the doctor was an rear end in a top hat. I had a pretty similar experience when I got mine put in (I basically had to fight to get it in the first place, and then the doctor was a real bitch about the whole process after she finally relented). I was asking because I had an IUD placed with no medication and I've never given birth either. It wasn't bad enough to need hand holding or for the doctor to leave in disgust. I'm not saying Doctors aren't sometimes assholes because they really are but patients can be really infuriating too. Doctors make crazy bucks from these procedures and it would take a lot from the patient to send one out of the room in disgust rather than finish and collect their sweet sweet money. I want to know what caused the doc to leave so rudely. That sort of poo poo doesn't happen without provocation. Maybe it wasn't Serious Cephalopod but her post made it sound like she did something to set him off. edit: Sorry if it sounds like I'm being a dick but that add-on sentence about IUD insertion reads like one of those vague Facebook posts you see where the person is desperate for their friends to ask them about their horrifying experience. So I'm biting. What happened? JibbaJabberwocky has a new favorite as of 04:44 on Feb 1, 2015 |
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JibbaJabberwocky posted:I never said that they can't be obnoxious about permanent birth control when you don't have kids, 'cause Doctors really can be jerks about that. That's mostly because a lot of people DO eventually change their mind about kids, though plenty don't. So the ones who don't get screwed over by overly cautious docs who are trying to cover their own asses. Vaginismus is a condition I can think of off hand that would make getting an IUD inserted the height of shittiness. Involuntary spasming of the muscles in the area at any attempted penetration.
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AngryRobotsInc posted:Vaginismus is a condition I can think of off hand that would make getting an IUD inserted the height of shittiness. Involuntary spasming of the muscles in the area at any attempted penetration. A perfectly logical answer but I am curious why one would get an IUD if it's not really even possible to have penetrative sex in the first place due to the pain? I understand that birth control provides benefits beyond contraception but can't imagine why and IUD would be chosen above other less invasive options if vaginismus makes the insertion almost impossible.
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Feb 1, 2015 05:07
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Yes yes let's all interrogate her about every detail of her reproductive health as a prerequisite to believing that a doctor was rude to her one time. Prediction: you'll never believe her no matter what she tells you.
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Edit: ^ thanks. I have a very small cervix. It is also very sensitive. I was on muscle relaxers on the doctors orders because of this, to help the procedure. He did not warn me that he was inserting the speculum. He left because I cried. The person I brought with me to hold my hands was as surprised as I was. I later had it put in at planted parenthood by a doctor with much better bedside manner, who asked in a nurse to hold my hand. She actually wanted me before just going at me with everything, and I still cried because that poo poo hurt. Different people have different pain tolerances. Serious Cephalopod has a new favorite as of 05:28 on Feb 1, 2015 |
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I'm scared and unnerved, by these articles, and Wikipedias.
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I've had four kids vaginally and my cervix is made of adamantium and she hulk muscle yet getting an IUD hurt worse than anything my lady bits have ever known because of my prolapse. So how about we stop being so scary and unnerving in our obsessive (and wrong) belief that she must have been doing something to earn the Doctor's disdain. Seriously you lot sound just as bad as the "women are just hysterical" crowd.
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Stairs posted:I've had four kids vaginally and my cervix is made of adamantium and she hulk muscle yet getting an IUD hurt worse than anything my lady bits have ever known because of my prolapse. So how about we stop being so scary and unnerving in our obsessive (and wrong) belief that she must have been doing something to earn the Doctor's disdain. Seriously you lot sound just as bad as the "women are just hysterical" crowd. Cool it, honey.
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I don't really care about any of your vaginas and would like to stop reading about them.
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I'm sure it's been brought up before, but Fatal Familial Insomnia (FFI) is a rare genetic disorder that causes the sufferer to stop sleeping, causing death in about 18 months. I'm not worried that I have it, because it's rare and genetic. But isn't it strange to think: why do we sleep? What's the point? Why does a lack of sleep inevitably cause death?
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Dutchy posted:I don't really care about any of your vaginas and would like to stop reading about them.
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nocal posted:I'm sure it's been brought up before, but Fatal Familial Insomnia (FFI) is a rare genetic disorder that causes the sufferer to stop sleeping, causing death in about 18 months. I was told that there was a recent study that linked being awake to some sort of toxin being produced in the brain. Sleeping caused said toxin to be flushed. Sadly I don't have a link to the article anymore.
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PresidentBeard posted:I was told that there was a recent study that linked being awake to some sort of toxin being produced in the brain. Sleeping caused said toxin to be flushed. Sadly I don't have a link to the article anymore. http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/healthy/matters/benefits-of-sleep/why-do-we-sleep
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JibbaJabberwocky posted:I can't find any real, reliable evidence that she ate anything other than a popsicle and nothing at all about her eating against Dr. orders post-surgery. Anyone have a source for this? http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2012/01/death-of-jahi-mcmath-quick-links.html The stories are all over the map. The family will say something like they were all talking to her, then say she was alone in the ICU, then say they were eating food, then say she bled out and no one noticed or cared. They saw her in recovery, then they didn't, then the grandmother was suctioning her, then she wasn't because she was looking for a doctor. Nurses helped, but didn't, but did, and so on. Of the images supposedly taken recently to show she's alive, there's no sign of the ventilator that's keeping her going. Interestingly, the videos seem to show up whenever they are launching a 'Save Jahi' Gofundme campaign.
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Khazar-khum posted:http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2012/01/death-of-jahi-mcmath-quick-links.html Oh wow, not saying that link wasn't comprehensive but I definitely don't have time to weed through that to find one statement about eating a cheeseburger or not. It does seem like the family has changed their story a ton of times which makes them sound super duper non-credible. I am deeply curious if the grandmother actually suctioned her because that, done improperly, could have been exactly what started her bleeding post-op and eventually killed her. Weren't they saying the grandmother was a RN and it turned out she wasn't at all? And apparently they're saying that the hospital gave them a suction device so they could do it themselves? In PACU... Which makes zero sense because no one in ANY facility would hand over equipment to the family ever, let alone after surgery involving the head and neck. It sounds like they started her hemorrhaging when they suctioned her and now are fighting desperately to cover up their stupid mistakes. Serious Cephalopod posted:He left because I cried. That's literally all I wanted to know. Thank you for responding. Sorry I upset everyone else by assuming that doctors, as human beings, react to external stimuli and tend not to pitch random fits for no reason and storm out of procedures. I wasn't trying to insinuate Serious Cephalopod was wrong to have whatever reaction she had to the procedure, I just wanted to know what she did to make him leave. Apparently crying was what he just couldn't stand, which makes him a lovely doctor and a manchild. And that's the last I'll participate in this derail. Sorry that asking a question made me literally hitler.
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JibbaJabberwocky posted:And that's the last I'll participate in this derail. Sorry that asking a question made me literally hitler. You wrote "What the gently caress did you do to set him off?" in response to a post that was clearly intended to illustrate the topic under discussion -- the prevalence of gender bias in US health care. That doesn't make you literally Hitler, but it does make you figuratively obtuse. Content: Mega tsunamis! For some reason, being killed by an inescapably huge wave has always been a primal fear of mine. Be sure to check out the sections about Lituya Bay (holy poo poo, that fishing boat) and Cumbre Vieja (which is going to kill us aalllllllll ...)
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Dutchy posted:I don't really care about any of your vaginas and would like to stop reading about them. I can talk about my balls more if you want, broheim.
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Chicken Butt posted:Be sure to check out the sections about Lituya Bay (holy poo poo, that fishing boat) and Cumbre Vieja (which is going to kill us aalllllllll ...) I remember the news about Cumbre Vieja being pretty underwhelming.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia Pretty mundane page, no wacky murders or anything. Still, it freaks me out. It's so common! How much bad poo poo happens day to day because people get convinced they're really seeing how things fit together? Not just gambling and the paranormal, but how many innocent people are imprisoned or murdered, how many religiously motivated people harm others, how many assaults or rapes happen because a person just thinks the signals they take in confirm their notions, because they see the truth of the situation and others don't? I'm even kind of exhibiting apophenia in this post! Brrr!
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