counterfeitsaint posted:In real life I don't see how you could separate your personality from your gathered life experiences and memories. It seems like people would be a lot more of a blank slate and just develop a new personality to go with their new set of memories. I'd imagine that I'd end up confused and cowed into compliance too, as would most people. It's really hard to say you'd do otherwise without coming off as an internet toughguy. To a certain extent, but our basic personalities are mostly locked in by the time we're two or so and it's not like we remember much/anything from that period. People would definitely have different reactions and they may even be fairly unpredictable depending on circumstance but overall you'd still be a version of 'you', just without the episodic (as opposed to inherent) memories that make up your adult self
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counterfeitsaint posted:In real life I don't see how you could separate your personality from your gathered life experiences and memories. It seems like people would be a lot more of a blank slate and just develop a new personality to go with their new set of memories. I'd imagine that I'd end up confused and cowed into compliance too, as would most people. It's really hard to say you'd do otherwise without coming off as an internet toughguy. I would fight my way out with my replica katana
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Given they still haven't wrapped filming, and that the first season took like half a year of editing, I guess the release date will be 2025.
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Tarnop posted:I would fight my way out with my replica katana While you were out partying, I was enjoying each of my katanas equally.
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# ? Apr 7, 2024 11:37 |
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Given that Innies seem to wake up with knowledge but no memories of acquiring that knowledge, I'd assume my innie would compare their situation to the TV show Severance that they can't remember watching but somehow know the synopsis to.
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It's basically explicit versus implicit memory. One is how to walk, eat, language, even driving a car. The other is your favourite colour, what you had for breakfast, the names of your loved ones.
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# ? Apr 7, 2024 14:29 |
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Irving demonstrates that subconscious memories of the "other side" still exist. So it's probably less of a true blank slate and more like "I am very deliberately trying not to think of my name or history or day-to-day experiences, even if I have conflicting desires to remember these things."
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I still think outie Helly is a double agent intent on sabotaging Lumon/her family, and I'm hoping we get to see that play out in season 2. The video she sent her innie felt a little too barbed to be sincere to me, like she was intentionally trying to rile her up and push her further.
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I never watched Lost, but I did watch Wrecked. That show was great.Megillah Gorilla posted:When I realised that, not only was there not a plan, but there had never been a plan, I really checked out of the show. Although it was very funny when "they have a plan" was quietly dropped from the opening titles because it had become painfully obvious that they loving don't. Das Boo posted:From infuriates me because you have a whole town of people and not 'a one of them does anything that makes sense. Oh, monsters hypnotize you through the windows? Oh, well, too bad we can't board them up for... reasons. Also you gotta pick which group of strangers you live with right now and your decision's permanent for... reasons. Also I leave my daughter alone with an unsecured window that only my absent husband can hammer shut for... reasons. Nobody test the bounds that could help us get out of here for... reasons! YOU ARE MAKING UP YOUR OWN RULES, loving WORK WITH THEM.
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I can't feel tension because it doesn't establish expectations. You know the old Alfred Hitchcock bit about the bomb under the table? It's tense because you know a bomb explodes. If the bomb, say... doesn't explode, but a tiny evil ballerina crawls out and dances menacingly at a character before disappearing and he refuses to address it in anyway and it has zero connection to anything else going on, that's not thrilling. That's an incoherent shitpost that cuts to Spooky Thing and hopes you got more scared than confused for a second there. From, condensed:
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Tiggum posted:I never watched Lost, but I did watch Wrecked. That show was great. That’s a good point. I was extremely taken by trying to figure out the rules of the world, like if the monsters have consciousness or interests, or if they’re just mechanisms that serve a purpose. But maybe part of the show refusing to develop that idea is because it’s scarier not to. But if the show isn’t going to develop its weird setting in a logical way and is going to follow nightmare logic instead, I don’t know how long I’ll stay interested. Especially now that my favorite monster Big Smile Letter Jacket Man, is dead.
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Das Boo posted:I can't feel tension because it doesn't establish expectations. You know the old Alfred Hitchcock bit about the bomb under the table? It's tense because you know a bomb explodes. If the bomb, say... doesn't explode, but a tiny evil ballerina crawls out and dances menacingly at a character before disappearing and he refuses to address it in anyway and it has zero connection to anything else going on, that's not thrilling. That's an incoherent shitpost that cuts to Spooky Thing and hopes you got more scared than confused for a second there. yeah, the spoilered gif is startling not scary. I've never really been into jumpscare type movies, and I also prefer my Weird to have at least some sort of grounding.
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Haptical Sales Slut posted:To look sexy in a red dress. Pounding on the table demanding Michael Hogan in the Six dress
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Season 2 wraps filming
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oh cool. i thought this was still in some kind of production hell.
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Everytime that dude was on screen in the Fallout show, this was playing in my head.
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roomtone posted:oh cool. i thought this was still in some kind of production hell.
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I love how that moment was totally 'normal' in the show, but looks just insanely surreal taken out of context. Of course, the original moment is also insanely surreal, just normally so.
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Seeing it without seeing the show it must just be a goofy gif, but when the show earns its way there it's such an incredible payoff.
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Like 5 episodes into a rewatch and it's still so incredible. And picking up on a lot more the second time through
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 17:39 |
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I dunno, even in the moment it felt like the producers intentionally created it as a ~weird~ showpiece. Like the dance scene in Ex Machina.
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I definitely can relate to violent reaction towards TEAM SPIRIT enforcement in the workplace.
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Apparently it took forever to get the lights to blink like that in sequence
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Khanstant posted:Seeing it without seeing the show it must just be a goofy gif, but when the show earns its way there it's such an incredible payoff. I watched the show purely because I kept seeing the gang tag, put it into Google reverse image search and saw the title. I didn't know anything about it beyond "work self, life self", that gif, and the title. e: quoted the wrong post Nobody Interesting fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Vegetable posted:I dunno, even in the moment it felt like the producers intentionally created it as a ~weird~ showpiece. Like the dance scene in Ex Machina. I had to look it up because that scene left no impression on me either time I watched it apparently. It's definitely a weird showpiece but it's also a good boiling point. It's corporate moral nonboosters that are incredibly diminished versions of fun activities like music and dancing, but the music selection is direly limited and the dancing is compulsory. They're trying to control these people with the whole "party" and trying to trigger that positive reaction only flashes his memory more to the knowledge he has a child and family he is essentially imprisoned away from knowing or seeing.
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It felt like a lot of enforced corporate 'fun' times, though obviously played up a bit. I remember one time my company took us to a dude ranch for a weekend and the CEO and one of the VPs did a bunch of coke in their SUV prior to a like almost race into game of tag competition thing we had to do, and everyone was kinda having fun but not enough fun so the VP hollared that nobody was doing it right and then full on plowed into another dude at a full run from behind to show us how it was done. It was hella awkward and we all had to kind of pretend it didn't happen and keep on hanging out. Anyway, my point is: It was surreal in the same way that scene was and corporate enforced fun often is.
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Shageletic posted:Apparently it took forever to get the lights to blink like that in sequence Yeah, I wonder if the ceiling lights were a persistent problem for the production. I swear I read somewhere that the sequence where Helly and Mark are wandering through the pitch black corridors, lit by motion censor activated lights in the ceiling, was a nightmare to pull together.
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i would hope the lights were manually controlled hook em up to a midi controller or drumset on set
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Controlling the dance lights for other cubicle pods is what their job is all day.
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Were they using actual fluorescent lights for the office? For that scene I would have just ditched them and put LEDs up there for the dance party.
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Found the article that I got that from I thinkquote:The process took weeks. Helen Leigh’s script left “a lot of room to play,” Erickson says, and everyone’s creativity took hold. For Tillman, that meant solo dance parties in his apartment “with the blinds drawn” to Earth, Wind & Fire; Stevie Wonder; and Aretha Franklin to perfect Milchick’s moves. While he and Rodriguez collaborated on the choreography to the clip from Joe McPhee’s 1971 song “Shakey Jake,” excerpted by music supervisor George Drakoulias, Gagné and Stiller worked on designing the ceiling’s rainbow-hued lighting and benefited from a happy accident with the dimmer board, which created the strobe effect. https://www.vulture.com/article/how-severance-filmed-defiant-jazz-dance-sequence.html
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https://twitter.com/sza/status/1786121339243528202?t=Ar4USNQjTJekDIpI3bvDsg&s=19
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I’ve just binged the series over the course of the last three days, making the most of the one-week free trial, and haven’t been able to think about much else. I can’t wait for the second season, I’ve no idea how you guys have held in there for two years waiting! I’ve read through the thread at the same time, really enjoying all the speculation.Owl at Home posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg4mcdhIsvU Owl at Home posted:And I do think that the thread is right that there must be something fishy (heh) going on with the water. It's too soon to jump to conclusions like "mind control drugs in the town water supply" and so on, but there's just too many allusions and symbols dropped in for there not to be something there. Lumon's water droplet logo, "Kier invites you to drink of his water", the water-only dinner party, Petey's reintegration sickness being triggered by the shower, etc. To say nothing of Dylan's obsession with water: his reward caricatures of him swimming, "I like to think my outie lives on a houseboat," and his theory that the number work is detecting eels so that humanity can populate the sea. Too soon to say, but there's definitely something going on with the water. - “D is for dreaming, the start of it all” While Mark sculpts the tree from clay in the wellness room, something which must be a dream-like impression for him - “E is for energy, breaking down walls” Helly takes drastic action, entering the elevator that constitutes the wall between her innie and outie, determined to break that barrier down - “S is for stewardship, of home and of earth, T is for terror, which gives us more worth” While Irving peers into the O&D department and realises there are many more employees there than Burt had claimed. Somebody else suggested that if each of the main 4 refiners represents a temper, Irving is “Dread. Also there might be some connection between O&D and something environmental – Burt’s discovery of the room full of trees, the two items we know they’ve “manufactured” in there, the watering can and the hatchets. In relation to the hatchets, the O&D characters said: “[…] last week's output had more of an aggressive feel.” “The hatchets weren't aggressive.” “Feel” is interesting there, do the workers in this department “sense” something about the physical items in the same way the MDR guys sense the numbers? - “I is for eyes, which observe us with love.” Over Mark (in front of Ms Casey/Gemma) / Helly (???) / Dylan (who’s just seen his child for the first time and had a sudden rush of love for him) - “Until N, meaning newness, rains down from above.” The camera is fixed on Ms Casey/Gemma here, who’s possibly being “made new” in some way by Lumon after her “accident”, possibly in a way that involves water? - And Y. That's a question we needn't now ponder. For destiny, friends, shall deliver all yonder." Mrs Cobel, and whatever mysterious agenda she’s pursuing. Back to Ms Casey/Gemma: when Mark visits her office in the penultimate episode, all her stuff has been packed up and the tree removed because she’s resigning. That suggests she had some control / input over how the office was decorated, including the tree, so… maybe she has some sort of memory of the crash too? Their whole relationship seems to have been quite outdoorsy – Rickon’s story about the crest hike, Mark’s apparent prowess at putting up a tent, his ability to tell a beautiful rock from a plain one (the office has a border of little rocks all around the centre of the floor). Also, is the apparently sudden decision to retire Ms Casey unrelated to the fact that it’s the end of the quarter? Because… Owl at Home posted:I definitely think there is also some credence to the idea that by working with the numbers they are interacting with their own chips in some way, or with someone else's. Final thing: the Kier Egan quote “Let not weakness live in your veins” is said once by Irving and appears prominently on a plaque that Mark is reading while waiting for his wellness session in episode 8. It’s interestingly mirrored in Devon’s comment to innie Mark about him mourning his wife – “She was just still in your veins, you know?”. Feel much better now I’ve got all that rambling out. What a show! Onionetta fucked around with this message at 00:43 on May 21, 2024 |
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I just got Apple.tv and watched this (after watching Monarch first, which in hindsight was the wrong order to watch them in) and really enjoyed it. For some reason I thought it would be more of an Office Space comedy than a thriller. I also thought season 2 was already out since it seemed like the show has been out for a long time, and I was very disappointed when it ended. I probably would have waited for season 2 if I knew it was incoming, though after reading the thread I guess a lot of you have been waiting over 2 years and for me it has been about a week, so it could have been a much longer wait. One thing I was thinking of is (just my own musings, but spoilered anyway): How do we know they only have one innie? The show seems to focus on Mark exchanging watches whenever he clocks in, who is to say that the clocks in the building give 60 minute hours, and not 45 minutes with then the extra time used for something else? It could be something mundane like working in another department, or Eagan indoctrination, or if the show really wants to jump the shark they could be top secret hitmen. Maybe I missed some technobabble in the show saying why this is not possible, but it just came to mind that they only know they are severed because they were told they were, they could have countless other variants of themselves that are just less commonly used. I thought this would tie into Mrs. Selvig constantly being incorrect with the garbage bin days, where she was actually correct but Mark lost time as an undisclosed innie.
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Pain of Mind posted:I just got Apple.tv and watched this (after watching Monarch first, which in hindsight was the wrong order to watch them in) and really enjoyed it. For some reason I thought it would be more of an Office Space comedy than a thriller. I also thought season 2 was already out since it seemed like the show has been out for a long time, and I was very disappointed when it ended. I probably would have waited for season 2 if I knew it was incoming, though after reading the thread I guess a lot of you have been waiting over 2 years and for me it has been about a week, so it could have been a much longer wait. One thing I was thinking of is (just my own musings, but spoilered anyway): How do we know they only have one innie? The show seems to focus on Mark exchanging watches whenever he clocks in, who is to say that the clocks in the building give 60 minute hours, and not 45 minutes with then the extra time used for something else? It could be something mundane like working in another department, or Eagan indoctrination, or if the show really wants to jump the shark they could be top secret hitmen. Maybe I missed some technobabble in the show saying why this is not possible, but it just came to mind that they only know they are severed because they were told they were, they could have countless other variants of themselves that are just less commonly used. I thought this would tie into Mrs. Selvig constantly being incorrect with the garbage bin days, where she was actually correct but Mark lost time as an undisclosed innie. I think there's something to the three (or more?) innies theory as there are definitely some askance references to it in the show. The first one that comes to mind is the scene where Ms. Selvig goes to Mark's house and has the dialogue with him about the three lightbulbs. I think the thread also brought up some of the background décor in her office as evidence? Like the triptych painting behind her desk, I think there were other examples but it's been a while since I watched the show and they're not coming to me right now.
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I just cant imagine what in the gently caress brought them to Bonvaista to film, so there is definitely going to be quite a departure in some aspect of the story or at least setting.
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What's bonevista?
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Leon Sumbitches posted:What's bonevista? Town in Newfoundland, Canada
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Not much, what's bonevista with you?
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