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Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

counterfeitsaint posted:

In real life I don't see how you could separate your personality from your gathered life experiences and memories. It seems like people would be a lot more of a blank slate and just develop a new personality to go with their new set of memories. I'd imagine that I'd end up confused and cowed into compliance too, as would most people. It's really hard to say you'd do otherwise without coming off as an internet toughguy.

To a certain extent, but our basic personalities are mostly locked in by the time we're two or so and it's not like we remember much/anything from that period. People would definitely have different reactions and they may even be fairly unpredictable depending on circumstance but overall you'd still be a version of 'you', just without the episodic (as opposed to inherent) memories that make up your adult self

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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

counterfeitsaint posted:

In real life I don't see how you could separate your personality from your gathered life experiences and memories. It seems like people would be a lot more of a blank slate and just develop a new personality to go with their new set of memories. I'd imagine that I'd end up confused and cowed into compliance too, as would most people. It's really hard to say you'd do otherwise without coming off as an internet toughguy.

I would fight my way out with my replica katana

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Given they still haven't wrapped filming, and that the first season took like half a year of editing, I guess the release date will be 2025.

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

Tarnop posted:

I would fight my way out with my replica katana

While you were out partying, I was enjoying each of my katanas equally.

IshmaelZarkov
Jun 20, 2013

Given that Innies seem to wake up with knowledge but no memories of acquiring that knowledge, I'd assume my innie would compare their situation to the TV show Severance that they can't remember watching but somehow know the synopsis to.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
It's basically explicit versus implicit memory.

One is how to walk, eat, language, even driving a car.

The other is your favourite colour, what you had for breakfast, the names of your loved ones.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
Irving demonstrates that subconscious memories of the "other side" still exist. So it's probably less of a true blank slate and more like "I am very deliberately trying not to think of my name or history or day-to-day experiences, even if I have conflicting desires to remember these things."

Owl at Home
Dec 25, 2014

Well hoot, I don't know if I can say no to that
I still think outie Helly is a double agent intent on sabotaging Lumon/her family, and I'm hoping we get to see that play out in season 2. The video she sent her innie felt a little too barbed to be sincere to me, like she was intentionally trying to rile her up and push her further.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


I never watched Lost, but I did watch Wrecked. That show was great.


Megillah Gorilla posted:

When I realised that, not only was there not a plan, but there had never been a plan, I really checked out of the show.
:same:

Although it was very funny when "they have a plan" was quietly dropped from the opening titles because it had become painfully obvious that they loving don't.


Das Boo posted:

From infuriates me because you have a whole town of people and not 'a one of them does anything that makes sense. Oh, monsters hypnotize you through the windows? Oh, well, too bad we can't board them up for... reasons. Also you gotta pick which group of strangers you live with right now and your decision's permanent for... reasons. Also I leave my daughter alone with an unsecured window that only my absent husband can hammer shut for... reasons. Nobody test the bounds that could help us get out of here for... reasons! YOU ARE MAKING UP YOUR OWN RULES, loving WORK WITH THEM.
The thing about From is that it's not a mystery. They're not setting up a clever explanation or trying to explore the idea of what people would do in this situation. It's pure horror. Every choice they make is based on what will be spookier. The character in a slasher film never checks to make sure the killer is really dead, because if they did that then the killer couldn't pop back up five minutes later. The characters in From can't board up the windows because if they did that then the vampires couldn't look in at them and try to convince them to open up or come outside. You've got a bunch of people living all together in one big house where a one person can gently caress them all over by opening a single window, because obviously that's got to happen at some point. It doesn't even matter if the writers have any kind of plan for any of it, because what's actually important is managing the tension. Letting it out just enough for the audience to relax before ratcheting it back up.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
I can't feel tension because it doesn't establish expectations. You know the old Alfred Hitchcock bit about the bomb under the table? It's tense because you know a bomb explodes. If the bomb, say... doesn't explode, but a tiny evil ballerina crawls out and dances menacingly at a character before disappearing and he refuses to address it in anyway and it has zero connection to anything else going on, that's not thrilling. That's an incoherent shitpost that cuts to Spooky Thing and hopes you got more scared than confused for a second there.

From, condensed:

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Tiggum posted:

I never watched Lost, but I did watch Wrecked. That show was great.

:same:

Although it was very funny when "they have a plan" was quietly dropped from the opening titles because it had become painfully obvious that they loving don't.

The thing about From is that it's not a mystery. They're not setting up a clever explanation or trying to explore the idea of what people would do in this situation. It's pure horror. Every choice they make is based on what will be spookier. The character in a slasher film never checks to make sure the killer is really dead, because if they did that then the killer couldn't pop back up five minutes later. The characters in From can't board up the windows because if they did that then the vampires couldn't look in at them and try to convince them to open up or come outside. You've got a bunch of people living all together in one big house where a one person can gently caress them all over by opening a single window, because obviously that's got to happen at some point. It doesn't even matter if the writers have any kind of plan for any of it, because what's actually important is managing the tension. Letting it out just enough for the audience to relax before ratcheting it back up.

That’s a good point. I was extremely taken by trying to figure out the rules of the world, like if the monsters have consciousness or interests, or if they’re just mechanisms that serve a purpose. But maybe part of the show refusing to develop that idea is because it’s scarier not to.

But if the show isn’t going to develop its weird setting in a logical way and is going to follow nightmare logic instead, I don’t know how long I’ll stay interested. Especially now that my favorite monster Big Smile Letter Jacket Man, is dead.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Das Boo posted:

I can't feel tension because it doesn't establish expectations. You know the old Alfred Hitchcock bit about the bomb under the table? It's tense because you know a bomb explodes. If the bomb, say... doesn't explode, but a tiny evil ballerina crawls out and dances menacingly at a character before disappearing and he refuses to address it in anyway and it has zero connection to anything else going on, that's not thrilling. That's an incoherent shitpost that cuts to Spooky Thing and hopes you got more scared than confused for a second there.

From, condensed:


yeah, the spoilered gif is startling not scary. I've never really been into jumpscare type movies, and I also prefer my Weird to have at least some sort of grounding.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Haptical Sales Slut posted:

To look sexy in a red dress.

Pounding on the table demanding Michael Hogan in the Six dress

El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

Season 2 wraps filming

roomtone
Jul 1, 2021

by Fluffdaddy
oh cool. i thought this was still in some kind of production hell.

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART



counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

Everytime that dude was on screen in the Fallout show, this was playing in my head.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

roomtone posted:

oh cool. i thought this was still in some kind of production hell.
Still another 8-9 months of editing.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

I love how that moment was totally 'normal' in the show, but looks just insanely surreal taken out of context.

Of course, the original moment is also insanely surreal, just normally so.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Seeing it without seeing the show it must just be a goofy gif, but when the show earns its way there it's such an incredible payoff.

yellowD
Mar 7, 2007

Like 5 episodes into a rewatch and it's still so incredible. And picking up on a lot more the second time through

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

I dunno, even in the moment it felt like the producers intentionally created it as a ~weird~ showpiece. Like the dance scene in Ex Machina.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
I definitely can relate to violent reaction towards TEAM SPIRIT enforcement in the workplace.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Apparently it took forever to get the lights to blink like that in sequence

Nobody Interesting
Mar 29, 2013

One way, dead end... Street signs are such fitting metaphors for the human condition.


Khanstant posted:

Seeing it without seeing the show it must just be a goofy gif, but when the show earns its way there it's such an incredible payoff.



I watched the show purely because I kept seeing the gang tag, put it into Google reverse image search and saw the title. I didn't know anything about it beyond "work self, life self", that gif, and the title.

e: quoted the wrong post

Nobody Interesting fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Apr 24, 2024

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Vegetable posted:

I dunno, even in the moment it felt like the producers intentionally created it as a ~weird~ showpiece. Like the dance scene in Ex Machina.

I had to look it up because that scene left no impression on me either time I watched it apparently.

It's definitely a weird showpiece but it's also a good boiling point. It's corporate moral nonboosters that are incredibly diminished versions of fun activities like music and dancing, but the music selection is direly limited and the dancing is compulsory. They're trying to control these people with the whole "party" and trying to trigger that positive reaction only flashes his memory more to the knowledge he has a child and family he is essentially imprisoned away from knowing or seeing.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
It felt like a lot of enforced corporate 'fun' times, though obviously played up a bit. I remember one time my company took us to a dude ranch for a weekend and the CEO and one of the VPs did a bunch of coke in their SUV prior to a like almost race into game of tag competition thing we had to do, and everyone was kinda having fun but not enough fun so the VP hollared that nobody was doing it right and then full on plowed into another dude at a full run from behind to show us how it was done.

It was hella awkward and we all had to kind of pretend it didn't happen and keep on hanging out. Anyway, my point is: It was surreal in the same way that scene was and corporate enforced fun often is.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Shageletic posted:

Apparently it took forever to get the lights to blink like that in sequence

Yeah, I wonder if the ceiling lights were a persistent problem for the production. I swear I read somewhere that the sequence where Helly and Mark are wandering through the pitch black corridors, lit by motion censor activated lights in the ceiling, was a nightmare to pull together.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



i would hope the lights were manually controlled

hook em up to a midi controller or drumset on set

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Controlling the dance lights for other cubicle pods is what their job is all day.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Were they using actual fluorescent lights for the office? For that scene I would have just ditched them and put LEDs up there for the dance party.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Found the article that I got that from I think

quote:

The process took weeks. Helen Leigh’s script left “a lot of room to play,” Erickson says, and everyone’s creativity took hold. For Tillman, that meant solo dance parties in his apartment “with the blinds drawn” to Earth, Wind & Fire; Stevie Wonder; and Aretha Franklin to perfect Milchick’s moves. While he and Rodriguez collaborated on the choreography to the clip from Joe McPhee’s 1971 song “Shakey Jake,” excerpted by music supervisor George Drakoulias, Gagné and Stiller worked on designing the ceiling’s rainbow-hued lighting and benefited from a happy accident with the dimmer board, which created the strobe effect.

“The gaffer thought it looked cool, so he was like, I’ll just show her,” Gagné says. “And I was like, That’s the most amazing! We’re keeping it!”

Other challenges arose. It took nearly a month to program the lighting, which Tillman — nicknamed “Milkshake” on set after one PA misheard “Milchick” — describes as Severance’s own Studio 54. Tillman and Rodriguez decided he would be unaware of the dance moves the MDR team would perform during the sequence, adding the additional challenge of Tillman organically responding to them during filming. (The actor’s only self-imposed rule for Milchick: “It’s in the Lumon handbook, no twerking.”) During the first day of filming the MDE, with ice on hand to keep Tillman from sweating through a cream cashmere sweater that “traps heat like none other,” the cast and crew didn’t even get to the dancing.

“We get right up to the point where I turn around, drop the needle on the record, and turn on the lights. And I think that was the end of that day,” Tillman says. But on the second day, with the cast and crew hyped, “we’re just having a ball.”

The morning was devoted to the dance number, which Tillman estimates took about 10 takes. “Many years in theater definitely prepared me to be able to dance and be open, because I needed to get information from them and that information was in their dance,” he says. The MDR space, which is Gagné’s favorite set inside Lumon for its contrasting tones and geometric lines, comes alive in shades of purple, blue, and pink as Tillman winds across the floor, doing a ʼ60s-style Mod dance with Helly, soldier-marching with Mark, and getting down with Irv. (Among the takes that didn’t make the final cut were “the Bump with Mark and a little Snake with John Turturro,” Tillman says.)

https://www.vulture.com/article/how-severance-filmed-defiant-jazz-dance-sequence.html

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



https://twitter.com/sza/status/1786121339243528202?t=Ar4USNQjTJekDIpI3bvDsg&s=19

Onionetta
Aug 16, 2009
I’ve just binged the series over the course of the last three days, making the most of the one-week free trial, and haven’t been able to think about much else. I can’t wait for the second season, I’ve no idea how you guys have held in there for two years waiting! I’ve read through the thread at the same time, really enjoying all the speculation.

Owl at Home posted:


The posters who think there's something weird going on with Ricken's friends are overthinking it. […] The World War I conversation was exaggerated for comedic effect and to increase the sense of isolation around Mark, but I don't think it was even that weird.
I agree with this, it’s basically that same bit from Doctor Who where the doctor says WWI in front of a WWI soldier, forgetting that it implies the foreknowledge of additional world wars. It’s a failure to consider perspective rather than “ignorance” per se, imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg4mcdhIsvU

Owl at Home posted:

And I do think that the thread is right that there must be something fishy (heh) going on with the water. It's too soon to jump to conclusions like "mind control drugs in the town water supply" and so on, but there's just too many allusions and symbols dropped in for there not to be something there. Lumon's water droplet logo, "Kier invites you to drink of his water", the water-only dinner party, Petey's reintegration sickness being triggered by the shower, etc. To say nothing of Dylan's obsession with water: his reward caricatures of him swimming, "I like to think my outie lives on a houseboat," and his theory that the number work is detecting eels so that humanity can populate the sea. Too soon to say, but there's definitely something going on with the water.
[…]
Oh, and we all caught the cartoon Dylan's kid was watching, right? A storm cloud, resembling a brain, being sawn in half by electricity until water pours out :eyepop:
The water thing is definitely intriguing… The companion book mentions Peggy’s outie leaving work one day to find her hair wet, which Lumon blamed on a “visually comedic but painless mishap with the water cooler”, and somebody in the thread suggested waterboarding, which is definitely one possibility. There’s also line about rain in Rickon’s “acrostic poem” at the end of episode 4 – in fact, the whole poem and how it’s juxtaposed with the characters is kind of interesting:

- “D is for dreaming, the start of it all”

While Mark sculpts the tree from clay in the wellness room, something which must be a dream-like impression for him

- “E is for energy, breaking down walls”

Helly takes drastic action, entering the elevator that constitutes the wall between her innie and outie, determined to break that barrier down

- “S is for stewardship, of home and of earth,
T is for terror, which gives us more worth”

While Irving peers into the O&D department and realises there are many more employees there than Burt had claimed. Somebody else suggested that if each of the main 4 refiners represents a temper, Irving is “Dread. Also there might be some connection between O&D and something environmental – Burt’s discovery of the room full of trees, the two items we know they’ve “manufactured” in there, the watering can and the hatchets. In relation to the hatchets, the O&D characters said:

“[…] last week's output had more of an aggressive feel.”
“The hatchets weren't aggressive.”

“Feel” is interesting there, do the workers in this department “sense” something about the physical items in the same way the MDR guys sense the numbers?

- “I is for eyes, which observe us with love.”

Over Mark (in front of Ms Casey/Gemma) / Helly (???) / Dylan (who’s just seen his child for the first time and had a sudden rush of love for him)

- “Until N, meaning newness, rains down from above.”

The camera is fixed on Ms Casey/Gemma here, who’s possibly being “made new” in some way by Lumon after her “accident”, possibly in a way that involves water?

- And Y. That's a question we needn't now ponder.
For destiny, friends, shall deliver all yonder."

Mrs Cobel, and whatever mysterious agenda she’s pursuing.


Back to Ms Casey/Gemma: when Mark visits her office in the penultimate episode, all her stuff has been packed up and the tree removed because she’s resigning. That suggests she had some control / input over how the office was decorated, including the tree, so… maybe she has some sort of memory of the crash too? Their whole relationship seems to have been quite outdoorsy – Rickon’s story about the crest hike, Mark’s apparent prowess at putting up a tent, his ability to tell a beautiful rock from a plain one (the office has a border of little rocks all around the centre of the floor).
Also, is the apparently sudden decision to retire Ms Casey unrelated to the fact that it’s the end of the quarter? Because…


Owl at Home posted:

I definitely think there is also some credence to the idea that by working with the numbers they are interacting with their own chips in some way, or with someone else's.
So maybe the file that Helly finished up just that very afternoon means that some sort of improved chip is ready to be implanted in Ms Casey/Gemma, requiring her to be sent back down to the testing floor. Reading the manual, the numbers aren’t split up into the different tempers – each of the 5 boxes must contain all 4 tempers in the same proportion, Keir’s “recipe” for the perfect person.

Final thing: the Kier Egan quote “Let not weakness live in your veins” is said once by Irving and appears prominently on a plaque that Mark is reading while waiting for his wellness session in episode 8. It’s interestingly mirrored in Devon’s comment to innie Mark about him mourning his wife – “She was just still in your veins, you know?”.


Feel much better now I’ve got all that rambling out. What a show!

Onionetta fucked around with this message at 00:43 on May 21, 2024

Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
You are receiving this broadcast as a dream...We are transmitting from the year one nine... nine nine ...You are receiving this broadcast in order t
I just got Apple.tv and watched this (after watching Monarch first, which in hindsight was the wrong order to watch them in) and really enjoyed it. For some reason I thought it would be more of an Office Space comedy than a thriller. I also thought season 2 was already out since it seemed like the show has been out for a long time, and I was very disappointed when it ended. I probably would have waited for season 2 if I knew it was incoming, though after reading the thread I guess a lot of you have been waiting over 2 years and for me it has been about a week, so it could have been a much longer wait. One thing I was thinking of is (just my own musings, but spoilered anyway): How do we know they only have one innie? The show seems to focus on Mark exchanging watches whenever he clocks in, who is to say that the clocks in the building give 60 minute hours, and not 45 minutes with then the extra time used for something else? It could be something mundane like working in another department, or Eagan indoctrination, or if the show really wants to jump the shark they could be top secret hitmen. Maybe I missed some technobabble in the show saying why this is not possible, but it just came to mind that they only know they are severed because they were told they were, they could have countless other variants of themselves that are just less commonly used. I thought this would tie into Mrs. Selvig constantly being incorrect with the garbage bin days, where she was actually correct but Mark lost time as an undisclosed innie.

Owl at Home
Dec 25, 2014

Well hoot, I don't know if I can say no to that

Pain of Mind posted:

I just got Apple.tv and watched this (after watching Monarch first, which in hindsight was the wrong order to watch them in) and really enjoyed it. For some reason I thought it would be more of an Office Space comedy than a thriller. I also thought season 2 was already out since it seemed like the show has been out for a long time, and I was very disappointed when it ended. I probably would have waited for season 2 if I knew it was incoming, though after reading the thread I guess a lot of you have been waiting over 2 years and for me it has been about a week, so it could have been a much longer wait. One thing I was thinking of is (just my own musings, but spoilered anyway): How do we know they only have one innie? The show seems to focus on Mark exchanging watches whenever he clocks in, who is to say that the clocks in the building give 60 minute hours, and not 45 minutes with then the extra time used for something else? It could be something mundane like working in another department, or Eagan indoctrination, or if the show really wants to jump the shark they could be top secret hitmen. Maybe I missed some technobabble in the show saying why this is not possible, but it just came to mind that they only know they are severed because they were told they were, they could have countless other variants of themselves that are just less commonly used. I thought this would tie into Mrs. Selvig constantly being incorrect with the garbage bin days, where she was actually correct but Mark lost time as an undisclosed innie.

I think there's something to the three (or more?) innies theory as there are definitely some askance references to it in the show. The first one that comes to mind is the scene where Ms. Selvig goes to Mark's house and has the dialogue with him about the three lightbulbs. I think the thread also brought up some of the background décor in her office as evidence? Like the triptych painting behind her desk, I think there were other examples but it's been a while since I watched the show and they're not coming to me right now.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

I just cant imagine what in the gently caress brought them to Bonvaista to film, so there is definitely going to be quite a departure in some aspect of the story or at least setting.

Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

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What's bonevista?

spookygonk
Apr 3, 2005
Does not give a damn

Leon Sumbitches posted:

What's bonevista?

Town in Newfoundland, Canada

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Owl at Home
Dec 25, 2014

Well hoot, I don't know if I can say no to that
Not much, what's bonevista with you?

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