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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:The picture at the 7-11 is... To people from the 'burbs, he does look menacing. The whole thing is one giant, "ZOMG! WHY DIDN'T THE MEDIA REPORT ON HOW BLACK THIS KID WAS!!!" It's disgusting.
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It's also what makes the white people freakout about how dare we have a conversation about how race affected every aspect of this incident while at the same time wringing hands about how SOMETHING about this kid they just can't articulate points to him attacking Zimmerman unprovoked as concrete fact so frustrating. Everything they are pointing out is basically "look he's obviously black, can't you see that?! What is wrong with you people?" but because they just use words and assumptions they would never make about white kids and don't say "black" it's outrageous that they get called on it. Of course right wing personalities are really pushing hard to just straight up say his blackness legitimized his murder and aren't getting a lot of flack for it in the main stream narrative so I have a feeling we're going to see it get a lot worse until they really start pushing for their right to say the n word on TV.
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Radish posted:I have a feeling we're going to see it get a lot worse until they really start pushing for their right to say the n word on TV. That's basically what the Paula Deen thing was.
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Radish posted:It's also what makes the white people freakout about how dare we have a conversation about how race affected every aspect of this incident while at the same time wringing hands about how SOMETHING about this kid they just can't articulate points to him attacking Zimmerman unprovoked as concrete fact so frustrating. Everything they are pointing out is basically "look he's obviously black, can't you see that?! What is wrong with you people?" but because they just use words and assumptions they would never make about white kids and don't say "black" it's outrageous that they get called on it. Of course right wing personalities are really pushing hard to just straight up say his blackness legitimized his murder and aren't getting a lot of flack for it in the main stream narrative so I have a feeling we're going to see it get a lot worse until they really start pushing for their right to say the n word on TV. In large part it's because people genuinely think racism is only calling someone with another race a name. The sort of folks who think racism is over literally do not believe that racism is systemic.
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Jul 23, 2013 15:58
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Waffles Inc. posted:In large part it's because people genuinely think racism is only calling someone with another race a name. The sort of folks who think racism is over literally do not believe that racism is systemic. This, a thousand times. People don't understand how subtle racism, and sexism, are. They color so many of our interactions without our knowledge and most people aren't self-actualized enough to realize this. Also, since we all know racism is bad, people just fight the label racist instead.
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Radish posted:It's also what makes the white people freakout about how dare we have a conversation about how race affected every aspect of this incident while at the same time wringing hands about how SOMETHING about this kid they just can't articulate points to him attacking Zimmerman unprovoked as concrete fact so frustrating. There's nothing more disgusting than white people telling black people when racism is over, except when white people tell black people what's wrong with black people- and how to solve it. It is so infuriating, so obvious, but I still can't articulate it to people who don't already get it. You look back at when Obama was first elected president. Who talked about this being a post racial society? It certainly wasn't black people! Think about it. Remember how many black people that news agencies tried to trot out in front of the camera to get them to say that? Absolutely none of them said "Yup, certainly no racism here, no sir". They all said "Nope, things are getting better, still a lot of work to be done". But no one gave a gently caress, every news team in the loving country kept on trying to find a black person who would tell them different. When no one did, they ignored it and still decided to pat themselves on the back for a job well done just because they elected a black president. You look at the news today, its all but a foregone loving conclusion that we're in a post-racial society (as decided by all the important white people), and that people like Obama are breaking that down. What? Things are so hosed up, you can't make a point about how white people are still racist without some retarded loving rear end in a top hat responding with "Well, what about black on black crime?" What about it? It's a problem, but its not a loving excuse for (racist shithead) to be a racist piece of poo poo. Tell me, how much more do black people have to do for (racist shithead) to not be racist? Why is it their problem to deal with and not (racist shithead)'s? Sorry for the rant, it's a cry for help: I'd like more good ideas how to articulate to these people that they're dumb racists.
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Jul 23, 2013 16:29
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The digging into Zimmerman and Martin's personal lives has gotten pretty drat creepy.
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Jul 23, 2013 16:44
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prahanormal posted:The digging into Zimmerman and Martin's personal lives has gotten pretty drat creepy.
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So iTunes is having specials in celebration of the month of Ramadan. Anyone care to place bets on who will be first to accuse Apple of being conquered by Muslims?
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My news feed is largely a bunch of Los Angeles liberals, so I've been pretty lucky about not seeing horrible racist poo poo in my feed. But today I saw this, and while not nearly as bad as the other stuff I've seen posted here, still pisses me off. Hey everyone, that guy from 40 Year Old Virgin thinks his fellow black people are bringing this on themselves! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/romany-malco/a-message-to-trayvon-mart_b_3612231.html With this comment: "Great article. I don't usually comment on these but I read them all- black on black killings is higher than any other type- we need to look further than the case but without the blame finger forward. Just listen to hot 97 for an hour- that's a bigger problem and what's more no one blinks an eyelash about lyrics that perpetuate the stereotype."
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Jul 23, 2013 18:13
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So by saying no personal details of Martins's life should matter I, apparently, turned someone's link to that quiz my own person soapbox.
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Jul 23, 2013 18:27
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AlliedBiscuit posted:My news feed is largely a bunch of Los Angeles liberals, so I've been pretty lucky about not seeing horrible racist poo poo in my feed. But today I saw this, and while not nearly as bad as the other stuff I've seen posted here, still pisses me off. Hey everyone, that guy from 40 Year Old Virgin thinks his fellow black people are bringing this on themselves! We only have one unit of social justice this year, guys, we better spend it on Trayvon Martin. No one is allowed to care about anything else until we get one more unit in!
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Jul 23, 2013 18:42
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:The picture at the 7-11 is... Yeah, people keep arguing legal minutia but I'll always think that the most significant part of the Zimmerman trial is just that white suburbanites see a black teenager doing normal stuff and automatically think it's menacing. If Zimmerman had gunned down a skinny white teenager in the same circumstances and told the same story I think he'd be in prison and we'd never have even heard about it because the cops and the jury just wouldn't have bought the story that his life was in danger.
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^^^ He would also conveniently be more Hispanic than white. I think my favorite question in the quiz was "Did you know Zimmerman wasn't even on Neighborhood Watch duty that night?!" No I didn't! You mean it was even less his business to report a stranger to the police and then pursue him while armed?
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Waffles Inc. posted:Any of y'all's Facebooks blowing up with this thing yet? I've seen it 5 times on my feed just today, after having seen barely any GZ posts at all. Did you know Trayvon Martin was ALMOST SIX FEET TALL and weighed NEARLY ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS!? How the gently caress is a sub six-foot, 160lb teenager threatening? Like, am I crazy here? (Nevermind, I am. I'm mostly German/Irish and my family is pretty stereotypical towering Anglo-Saxons, physically so my sense of "woah that person is tall" doesn't start until someone breaks like 6'5"). My skewed sense of people's height aside, the kid was of average height and weighing 160 at that height is very much not a huge, threatening person. (You know, unless you're black  )AlliedBiscuit posted:My news feed is largely a bunch of Los Angeles liberals, so I've been pretty lucky about not seeing horrible racist poo poo in my feed. But today I saw this, and while not nearly as bad as the other stuff I've seen posted here, still pisses me off. Hey everyone, that guy from 40 Year Old Virgin thinks his fellow black people are bringing this on themselves! It always kills me when people do this poo poo. Black culture doesn't disenfranchise them, being disenfranchised does, and black culture reflects the systemic racism in America. These "just gotta bootstrap" morons completely reverse cause and effect. Magres fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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1stGear posted:^^^ He would also conveniently be more Hispanic than white. Exactly, Martin had no idea that Zimmer-MAN was a rent-a-cop and not some thug out to mug him.
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Jul 23, 2013 18:56
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:The picture at the 7-11 is... That's bad, but to me, the most puzzling one is this one:  It's just a picture of a smiling clean-cut teenager in a t-shirt. Literally the only reason to be disturbed by this picture is if you're scared of black people, I don't understand what point they were trying to make with that one (except for the obvious one that they're trying to avoid saying outright)
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Jul 23, 2013 19:04
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Look how TALL he is, towering over everyone in that photo! Also, what is perspective?
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It just shows that Zimmer-MAN! is a real hero by
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Ainsley McTree posted:That's bad, but to me, the most puzzling one is this one: If anything, if the media showed that photo freep would rage about how they were trying to turn this hardcore drug addict MMA fighter into some sweet kid in order to influence the jury.
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A guy I went to high school with is basically trolling (and I respond a lot, because I'm bored). I think he's registered at SA, but maybe he doesn't post? Sidenote: Social Fixer's anonymize feature is amazing now    He's not totally wrong about Zimmerman, but he's a douche about it.
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Waffles Inc. posted:Any of y'all's Facebooks blowing up with this thing yet? I've seen it 5 times on my feed just today, after having seen barely any GZ posts at all. Hmm, there doesn't seem to be any questions regarding Zimmerman's colorful past (assaulting an officer, restraining order, allegedly molesting his cousin, 40+ 911 calls). I wonder why that could be?
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myron cope posted:A guy I went to high school with is basically trolling (and I respond a lot, because I'm bored). I think he's registered at SA, but maybe he doesn't post? Sidenote: Social Fixer's anonymize feature is amazing now This right here is the core of it. Crab Mentality in almost pure format. Rather than seeing his own potentially unstable 401k as a symptom of a problem where employees aren't guaranteed income during retirement, he sees the problem as someone else is getting that compensation, therefore they should be dragged down to his level. I'd link to the Frontline video on The Retirement Gamble here, but the page seems to be down on their servers. e: The main page about it is down, the video is available here. Be prepared for depression. 
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So I've been friends with Michael for several years now, and I like to think I've had a pretty big influence on his political views over time. Yesterday, after getting a few comments in, I decided to step back and let him handle it on his own.      I'm so proud  Fun fact: Bryan is a Staff Sergeant in the US Army  goddamn I am glad I got out
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baw posted:So I've been friends with Michael for several years now, and I like to think I've had a pretty big influence on his political views over time. Yesterday, after getting a few comments in, I decided to step back and let him handle it on his own. Haha a guy like Trump should know the difference between bankrupt, broke, and in debt
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Ainsley McTree posted:That's bad, but to me, the most puzzling one is this one:
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baw posted:So I've been friends with Michael for several years now, and I like to think I've had a pretty big influence on his political views over time. Yesterday, after getting a few comments in, I decided to step back and let him handle it on his own. Big ups to Ryan for using the phrase "force feed" while complaining that we spend too much money on creature comforts for Gitmo!
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baw posted:Fun fact: Bryan is a Staff Sergeant in the US Army I think that people in the military railing against government spending should always be met with, "Yes, I agree. Let's start with the cutting military spending."
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Jul 23, 2013 23:45
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This loving guyquote:It's just kinda mean.
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Jul 24, 2013 02:10
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Welp he's a pretty despicable human being with absolutely zero empathy. Seems like he's projecting a lot too.
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AShamefulDisplay posted:This loving guy White male right?
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Van5 posted:White male right? Yup. Also Catholic.
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AShamefulDisplay posted:Yup. Also Catholic. Jesus approves of abandoning the poor you guys 
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AShamefulDisplay posted:Yup. Also Catholic. Catholics are pretty good about taking care of the poor and don't have the prosperity gospel as a doctrine. If he is a Catholic he isn't a very good one.
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Just ask him what percentage of welfare recipients are "leeches," and how many are using the program temporarily until they find a job.
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baw posted:Just ask him what percentage of welfare recipients are "leeches," and how many are using the program temporarily until they find a job. I'm gonna go on a limb here and guess that there is no difference to him.
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Had a fun talk with him about integrating suburbs.quote:Anyone else feel like they're going to start bringing the gangs from the big cities to ruin the suburbs too now? And what? Are suburbs racist too now? http://www.oprhc.org/2012/07/americas-racially-diverse-suburbs-opportunities-and-challenges/ He replied with this: quote:And what do you think the outcome is gonna be? This inner city people who destroyed the cities are now going to destroy the suburbs too. I will give you three guesses as to who these inner city people are... edit also, he isnt Catholic. Hes Eastern Orthodox. My bad. Double edit: more fun quote:Well if they're coming from big cities, then they have to do a background check on people. The big cities like New York City and Los Angeles are breeding grounds of gangbangers, especially here in l.a. If they just let anyone in, the suburbs are gonna turn into the next Chicago. My source was using data from a Chicago suburb
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Jul 24, 2013 07:51
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This guy is deeply and unapologetically racist, you're not going to convince him of anything until he admits that to himself (and actually believe that it's wrong). So good luck with that.
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AShamefulDisplay posted:edit also, he isnt Catholic. Hes Eastern Orthodox. My bad.
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HEGEL CURES THESES posted:Goddamnit, apologizing on behalf of all of us. Does he know that near easterners and black people invented a lot of the Church's early ideas? Hes a 2nd generation Russian immigrant and he doesnt seem to know much about his own religion anyway so I really doubt it.
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