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Marvin Harrison has nearly identical stats as Tim Brown with 4 less years of playing time to accrue those stats. Why are people devaluing Marvin just because he was drafted into an organization with a good quarterback? Are Jerry Rice's stats somehow devalued because he had two of the best QB's of all time passing to him? Tim Brown is a good player, he shouldn't be given brownie points for his team's incompetence in finding a good QB.
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Feb 1, 2015 19:26
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My main memory of Harrison is running really nice routes, and falling down immediately after catching the ball
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Feb 1, 2015 19:35
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Polian was a pretty great executive I don't think there's anything wrong with him being in. Pace not getting in is really dumb but they're always way too slow with linemen.
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Feb 1, 2015 19:53
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Tim Brown got in because he's been on the ballot longer than Marvin, and they're trying to clear out the logjam
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Feb 1, 2015 19:53
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MourningView posted:they're always way too slow with linemen. 
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Feb 1, 2015 19:54
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I don't know why thats confusing? They've always overlooked deserving offensive linemen in favor of borderline skill position players. Will Shields waited way too long too and that's the position that probably has the most deserving players still waiting to get in.
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Feb 1, 2015 19:59
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tanglewood1420 posted:I don't see why Bettis deserves it over someone like Corey Dillion, who put up better numbers, on worse teams AND he even won a ring too. Hall of Fame, not Hall of Stats, bruh. You say "The Bus" to a football fan and they know who you're talking about. You say "The...." uhm..Cory Dillon doesn't even have a snappy nickname. CASE CLOSED.
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Feb 1, 2015 21:13
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korrandark posted:Marvin Harrison has nearly identical stats as Tim Brown with 4 less years of playing time to accrue those stats. Why are people devaluing Marvin just because he was drafted into an organization with a good quarterback? Are Jerry Rice's stats somehow devalued because he had two of the best QB's of all time passing to him? Tim Brown is a good player, he shouldn't be given brownie points for his team's incompetence in finding a good QB. i think its cause he murdered all them dudes.
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Feb 1, 2015 21:25
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MourningView posted:I don't know why thats confusing? They've always overlooked deserving offensive linemen in favor of borderline skill position players. Will Shields waited way too long too and that's the position that probably has the most deserving players still waiting to get in. It's weird because Pace was part of the Big Three LTs with Ogden and Walt, and both guys sailed in on the first ballot no questions asked. He was just as good as those two, why does he have to wait a year?
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Feb 1, 2015 23:36
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Benne posted:It's weird because Pace was part of the Big Three LTs with Ogden and Walt, and both guys sailed in on the first ballot no questions asked. He was just as good as those two, why does he have to wait a year? I dunno man, I always thought Ogden and Walt were on a tier above guys like Pace and Roaf
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Feb 1, 2015 23:38
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SA2K posted:I dunno man, I always thought Ogden and Walt were on a tier above guys like Pace and Roaf Maybe it's that "eye test" thing again but I watched a shitload of Seahawks/Rams games in the 2000s and Pace and Walt were always the two best men on the field
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Feb 1, 2015 23:41
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Pace was totally un-gently caress-with-able before age and injuries set in, but his rep always seemed to suffer because he was such an athletic freak that people almost took his ability for granted. Like, he was enough of an athlete that he once ran down Champ Bailey on an interception return.
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Feb 2, 2015 02:58
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Put Tom Brady in right now, imo
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Feb 2, 2015 04:47
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Benne posted:It's weird because Pace was part of the Big Three LTs with Ogden and Walt, and both guys sailed in on the first ballot no questions asked. He was just as good as those two, why does he have to wait a year? I read this earlier today: quote:“Obviously there was a lot of support for Warner and Pace, or they wouldn’t have made it to the final 10,” said Post-Dispatch columnist Bernie Miklasz, who represents St. Louis in the voting and took part in a selection meeting that took almost nine hours. Doesn't suck any less, but there you have it.
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Feb 3, 2015 00:22
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I mean, you can't just put in a first ballot LT every single year.
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Feb 3, 2015 00:32
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SA2K posted:I dunno man, I always thought Ogden and Walt were on a tier above guys like Pace and Roaf Ogden was amazing but I think Pace at his peak might have been the best tackle I have ever seen. Might just be because I saw a lot more Rams games during their respective careers.
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warcrimes posted:Put Tom Brady in right now, imo If this means he has to retire immediately I support this.
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