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wilfredmerriweathr
Jul 11, 2005

ManBoyChef posted:

Dude sever. you cannot get someone clean...they will ruin you before they ever do. Maybe if she gets clean on her own then you might end up in a better situation. Check out codependency. a good PDF is this.

https://wakeuprecovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/the-truth-about-codependency.pdf

the salient point is that the relationship becomes a caregiver/taker situation. in order to keep the ship righted and ensure life continues the caregiver is constantly giving of themselves.

I hope it gets better for you. PM if you want to talk.

Yeah it doesn't make it easy but I do know it. In fact I was two days away from filing when I broke my foot (over Xmas) so now I'm basically stuck in a situation where I know I'm gonna file as soon as I can walk again, but can't file right now because I literally can't put any weight on my foot so I need someone to drive me around and like help me bathe. For once she's sorta the caretaker.

But yeah, it's been years so my mind is pretty made up.

Thanks for the kind words and I may take you up on that chat offer in the coming months...

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BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK
Jan 26, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

ManBoyChef posted:

this is absolutely true. I didnt have health insurance and having a kid at a hospital is so freaking expensive in the states. FML. It took me forever to pay it off. Then I got sick.

Haha funny you mention that, Here’s the bill for a C-section plus a couple days to recover :D :


sudonim
Oct 6, 2005
US healthcare is hosed up and that needs to be a more open discussion

sudonim
Oct 6, 2005
I love my kid. She's the second funniest person I know after my wife. Tho I suppose I cheatcoded by crossbreeding my sense of humor with my wife's ability to tickle it.

Also the kid is only 2 (gonna be 3 next week) so she has time to climb the rankings

N. Senada
May 17, 2011

My kidneys are busted
You posters are going to get my thread moved to D&D

This has gone off the rails

N. Senada
May 17, 2011

My kidneys are busted
The answer was you may need their organs. How did no one get this?

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003


Ape Fist posted:

For some reason I thought I was posting in the heroin thread.

I now realise this is the children thread.

I am Father of 3. Having children has massively ruined my mental health, which by extension has probably not helped my physical health. If given the choice to have kids again I absolutely would not. None of this is worth it. None of it. I appreciate some people enjoy their kids. I love mine, but I do not enjoy them and I literally never have. Luckily I can provide them a relative middle class lifestyle because I make a lot of money, but yeah. Don't have kids.

drat bro I think I need a script for some SNRIs after reading this

Or maybe watch some Bluey with my kid

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER
I'm going to be leaving my kids with the in-laws in China for a few months and going on a bender in Thailand.

Szyznyk
Mar 4, 2008

Smugworth posted:

drat bro I think I need a script for some SNRIs after reading this

Or maybe watch some Bluey with my kid

Watching Bluey will just make you feel bad about how a cartoon dog is a better father than you know you’d ever be capable of being.

Turrurrurrurrrrrrr
Dec 22, 2018

I hope this is "battle" enough for you, friend.

Ape Fist posted:

For some reason I thought I was posting in the heroin thread.

I now realise this is the children thread.

I am Father of 3. Having children has massively ruined my mental health, which by extension has probably not helped my physical health. If given the choice to have kids again I absolutely would not. None of this is worth it. None of it. I appreciate some people enjoy their kids. I love mine, but I do not enjoy them and I literally never have. Luckily I can provide them a relative middle class lifestyle because I make a lot of money, but yeah. Don't have kids.

How long is/was this ruinous process?

Wee
Dec 16, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
Imagine if you had TO LOOK AT YOUR DEAD CHILD?

Hmm, the solution seems easy?

But what if you just touched yourself in the face

Wee fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jan 16, 2023

WIFEY WATCHDOG
Jun 25, 2012

Yeah, well I don't trust this guy. I think he regifted, he degifted, and now he's using an upstairs invite as a springboard to a Super Bowl sex romp.
Kids suck rear end, don’t have them

Wee
Dec 16, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
Kids are fine.

I also loving hate them and never want to see them on public transport

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with



Grimey Drawer

WIFEY WATCHDOG posted:

Kids suck rear end, don’t have them

unless


N. Senada posted:

you may need their organs.

Halisnacks
Jul 18, 2009
Another question: why have kids… and then outsource a huge proportion of the parenting/caring work to a nanny or daycare?

I don’t think wanting to have kids is a necessarily vain act, but wanting to “have it all” sure seems like it.

I hate the implication that I’m suggesting only households that can afford a stay-at-home parent (i.e. the rich) should have kids. But in my anecdotal experience those rich, high-achieving parents actually tend to be the worst in terms of parental absenteeism. Their kids are literally less important to them than their jobs (measured by what gets their attention, and, crucially, the fact that they have the freedom to leave their jobs).

Carwash Cunt
Aug 21, 2007

Halisnacks posted:

Another question: why have kids… and then outsource a huge proportion of the parenting/caring work to a nanny or daycare?

I don’t think wanting to have kids is a necessarily vain act, but wanting to “have it all” sure seems like it.

I hate the implication that I’m suggesting only households that can afford a stay-at-home parent (i.e. the rich) should have kids. But in my anecdotal experience those rich, high-achieving parents actually tend to be the worst in terms of parental absenteeism. Their kids are literally less important to them than their jobs (measured by what gets their attention, and, crucially, the fact that they have the freedom to leave their jobs).

Being a closed family unit seems like a very modern change in society. Putting kids together in a group is the best thing for them, imo. I was lucky to be able to take a few months off work. I loved the time relaxing with an almost one year old kid, but the kids were happy to go see people at a daycare. The workers at the daycare were great and provided lots of life lessons that I couldn't.

Halisnacks
Jul 18, 2009
Okay I understand that re: daycare (and obviously proper school as kids grow up).

What about nannying, when there is a paid stand-in for the parent (in the modern closed family unit) when the kid isn’t socialising with other kids?

Carwash Cunt
Aug 21, 2007

Oh, yeah, big difference.

You get a nanny because you want to pass on your superior genetics but you really don't want to make any sacrifices.

Or, if you have the money, why not? You get to relax more, clean diapers less. Seems like a real easy way to raise a poo poo-head though, they are 100% going to realize they can make a nannies life miserable, right?

Chernobyl Princess
Jul 31, 2009

It has long been an axiom of mine that the little things are infinitely the most important.

:siren:thunderdome winner:siren:

There are a lot of right ways to raise a kid, and a lot of ways people justify their neglect of their kid because "the nanny/daycare/swim coach/algebra tutor can handle that."

Posted while my kid is telling his swim instructor about his imaginary friend instead of swimming.

ManBoyChef
Aug 1, 2019

Deadbeat Dad



The biggest thing is just to be present in their life and care. You need to make the time you spend with your kid/s the time you look forward to. You also have to realize that sometimes you may not like them but you will always love them.

I go by those three things. The times when I have my son I try to teach by letting him do and fail, but being there to help him get back up and try again. I make sure to give him positive encouragement because the poo poo I got as a kid was mostly negative. I try to expose my son to new ideas, and philosphies because I sure as poo poo know they don't do that so much in school anymore. I truly enjoy my time with him. I know sometimes I make him mad because he wants to rush through things and I try to teach him that often the quickest way to get done is to take your time and be thorough, or that you are often rated on your work product no matter if it is doing your house work or cooking so that your quality of life is better or you are maintaining consistency at work. He is thirteen and soon he will want to have a job and drive and soon after that he will go to college if he chooses and learning these skills now is important...I know this because my parents did not work to teach me these skills and it was a lot of heartache for me.


If you cannot do those simple things. If you have short patience or when you get angry you really explode you shouldn't have kids. Its simple as that. Recognize that your life will drastically change financially, and oftentimes your emotional needs will come second. Selfcare is still important but its not as important as when you are alone.


If I could go back in time I would have done it with someone I loved( which is something else I am embarassing my son with...what healthy relationships are) after I got clean from opiates because now that I am not with someone actively making me miserable and I am not using a drug that numbs my emotions that takes up a lot of my heart and time I have so much more love to give to my son.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Carwash oval office posted:

Oh, yeah, big difference.

You get a nanny because you want to pass on your superior genetics but you really don't want to make any sacrifices.

Or, if you have the money, why not? You get to relax more, clean diapers less. Seems like a real easy way to raise a poo poo-head though, they are 100% going to realize they can make a nannies life miserable, right?

I didn't realise Musk posted here

Richard Cabeza
Mar 1, 2005

What a dickhead...
I am old. I have kids and grandkids so you bastards listen to the truth.

You know how you stay up till 1AM and sleep till 11 the next day? That poo poo has to stop. it’s not healthy.

Having children can help correct this.

ManBoyChef
Aug 1, 2019

Deadbeat Dad



Richard Cabeza posted:

I am old. I have kids and grandkids so you bastards listen to the truth.

You know how you stay up till 1AM and sleep till 11 the next day? That poo poo has to stop. it’s not healthy.

Having children can help correct this.

no way dude. you just train your kid to be a deadbeat too. The secret is you start em off easy...virginia slims, maybe some michelob ultra....by about age nine they are smoking marlboro menthols and drinking mickeys hand grenades. thats how you gotta do it. Maybe dont let them watch any of the cool eighties movies like porkys or whatever till they hit twelve

ManBoyChef fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Jan 17, 2023

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER
i wish i could get the kids to sleep earlier

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003


Richard Cabeza posted:

I am old. I have kids and grandkids so you bastards listen to the truth.

You know how you stay up till 1AM and sleep till 11 the next day? That poo poo has to stop. it’s not healthy.

Having children can help correct this.

But that's when Toonami is on

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

sudonim posted:

US healthcare is hosed up and that needs to be a more open discussion

The individuals who deliberately hosed it up for their own gain have carefully and successfully constructed an entire fortress of "Nobody is responsible for anything in particular, there is no one you can complain to about your specific issue, nobody is in charge of that department or any other, feel free to spend whole days trying to get through to somebody on the phone at your insurance company or hospital, lmao"

The old adage is "These people have names and addresses" but lol, good luck with that in our 21st century dystopian technological panopticon, buddy.

Astrochicken
Aug 13, 2007

So you better go back to your bars, your temples
Your massage parlors!

I want to see the joy in their eyes and know that something beautiful can exist in this world before they are incinerated with the rest of us on this dying planet.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Richard Cabeza posted:

I am old. I have kids and grandkids so you bastards listen to the truth.

You know how you stay up till 1AM and sleep till 11 the next day? That poo poo has to stop. it’s not healthy.

Having children can help correct this.

What kind of psychopath goes to bed at 1 am? 4:30 AM is bed time

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Szyznyk posted:

Watching Bluey will just make you feel bad about how a cartoon dog is a better father than you know you’d ever be capable of being.

lmao

Joey Steel
Jul 24, 2019
Reading this thread while chilling with my boy as he drifts off to sleep. Dunno about you guys, but I'm enjoying it.

My kiddo is super nice though, probably helps.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost
Tips:

For making them sleep, if you have a couple of your own or are in charge of a bunch of them you can get them to play "the running game" where they have to keep running around in circles on a field. Whoever does the most circles in whatever time you specify gets a candy bar.

You can just read a book or dick around on your phone while they do this, making sure none get lost or stolen or hurt.

Once tuckered out, you put em down to bed and read them a story, or just improvise one. It doesn't have to make sense or be very good, they are dumb as poo poo and can't tell. It's especially a good story if you include them as characters if you are just making it up on the fly.

Should they be early risers, you can provide a television or a Nintendo Entertainment System to get them to shut the gently caress up and let you get a bit more sleep until they want food.

Kids are easy (for the male), hilarious, and terrible little funny monsters.

The Butcher fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jan 17, 2023

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

We decided not to have a kid and I kinda see my wife's side of things. You need a god drat village to help you stay afloat and it closes so many doors -- professional, recreational -- and forces so many compromises. But I get my papa kicks by being a cool uncle to my niblings. Kids can be pretty great.

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with



Grimey Drawer

Richard Cabeza posted:

I am old. I have kids and grandkids so you bastards listen to the truth.

You know how you stay up till 1AM and sleep till 11 the next day? That poo poo has to stop. it’s not healthy.

Having children can help correct this.

Alternatively, I loving love staying up until forever and working at home on what are effectively my own hours.

Carlos Lantana
Oct 2, 2003

I'm really sorry, your avatar is giving me a boner and while that is perfectly OK and I don't want to kink shame anyone, its making me feel really weird getting a boner in a Trump thread.

Sincerely,

Jailbrekr

euthy posted:

Voluntary human extinction rules

I bought one of your stickers

Janitor Ludwich IV
Jan 25, 2019

by vyelkin
When you're dead you get to live in your kids heads

ManBoyChef
Aug 1, 2019

Deadbeat Dad



Janitor Ludwich IV posted:

When you're dead you get to live in your kids heads

Im hoping my son only remembers all of my dumbest quotes about how awsesome postum is.

he is up for a really big job interview and is really nervous and thinks to himself; "What is it that dad always told me about what to do when you are in a high pressure situation"

ghostly vision of manboychef appears in his head: "Postum is great hot or cold, sky is the limit!"

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

N. Senada posted:

The answer was you may need their organs. How did no one get this?
Lmao if you're having kids for organ donation. Friend, if I need an organ, I'm just getting it from someone else's kid. Probably yours, honestly.

ManBoyChef
Aug 1, 2019

Deadbeat Dad



Slugworth posted:

Lmao if you're having kids for organ donation. Friend, if I need an organ, I'm just getting it from someone else's kid. Probably yours, honestly.

there are totally enough kidneys in bangladesh for all of us. Stop preying on our children.

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003


First kiddo came out so good me and the wife are gonna start working on making another

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Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003


Like if you saw my kid even the most sadbrained doomer on this thread would be like "I get it," she's bella cute and just smiles and laughs and babbles happily all day

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