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Booker is also in favor of "education reform" i.e. the diversion of public money to charter schools and voucher systems, which to me in essentially an unpardonable sin for someone that wants to play progressive.
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SpaceGirlArt posted:Booker is also in favor of "education reform" i.e. the diversion of public money to charter schools and voucher systems, which to me in essentially an unpardonable sin for someone that wants to play progressive. How familiar are you with Newark's public schools, out of curiosity?
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Jun 5, 2013 18:18
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jeffersonlives posted:How familiar are you with Newark's public schools, out of curiosity? Charter schools don't fix public schools.
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Jun 5, 2013 18:21
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Warcabbit posted:Exactly. Would I be surprised if Booker stayed glued to the financial industry? Not really. Do I judge it more likely he might change his mind than, say, Andrew Cuomo? Yes. Bullshit, he won't. People will vote for him and once again turn progressivism into "support Wall Street at all costs, but it's OK because he supports gay marriage" lock stock and barrel. See Obama. You're just setting yourself up again. Look at past actions to predict future ones. Not to the vain hope that if you label someone a progressive and vote for them they will magically change.
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Jun 5, 2013 18:47
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Meh. Seriously, meh. A little strategy, a little thought. Right now, the Republicans are being horrible and a threat, so the Dems are focused defeating them. As soon as they're reduced to a regional power - and that region might not be the South - the Democrats will do what the Democrats do best. Start shooting each other over doctrinal positions, and split up into wings of the party. At that point, we'll have the 80s Republican / actual progressive decisions to make. Right now, not so much. Especially not in Jersey. Booker is a good man. That's enough for a start.
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Jun 5, 2013 19:13
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You do realize that the interests of the financial industry also happen to be the interests of a number of Booker's (future) constituents, right? It's not like its illegitimate for him to consider the effect of financial regulations on the people he would be representing. (Yes, the rich ones too.). It might be offensive when someone from Iowa does it, but when you know a significant portion of the economic activity of your state depends on something, you SHOULD be paying attention to their concerns, or you're a lovely representative.
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Jun 5, 2013 20:46
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Tangentially, the private life of Cory Booker holds little interest for me, but I've nevertheless heard a constant low boil of Perry-style gay rumors. I defer to the thread hivemind: Any possible truth to that, or total bullshit?
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Jun 5, 2013 22:52
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SombreroAgnew posted:Tangentially, the private life of Cory Booker holds little interest for me, but I've nevertheless heard a constant low boil of Perry-style gay rumors. I defer to the thread hivemind: Any possible truth to that, or total bullshit? I know he has had several girlfriends (he was in a long-term relationship with a model named Veronica Webb as of a few years ago, don't know whether he still is) and that most of the gay rumors were originally Sharpe James plants. That doesn't mean he's not gay, but I really have no idea why he'd be closeted at this point if he was.
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Jun 5, 2013 22:57
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SombreroAgnew posted:Tangentially, the private life of Cory Booker holds little interest for me, but I've nevertheless heard a constant low boil of Perry-style gay rumors. I defer to the thread hivemind: Any possible truth to that, or total bullshit? I'm going to say (having pulled this directly out of my rear end) that there is about a 40% chance he's gay. Though if that rumor is going to hurt his primary candidacy more than his awful economic policies will I'm all for it being spread.
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Jun 5, 2013 22:58
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mcmagic posted:Though if that rumor is going to hurt his primary candidacy more than his awful economic policies will I'm all for it being spread.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:12
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DynamicSloth posted:Wow, that's a pretty abhorrent sentiment. I wouldn't actively go out and do it myself... I find Booker to be very distasteful for a bunch of reasons and view him as a huge fraud. So it's that part of me talking...
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Jun 5, 2013 23:16
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jeffersonlives posted:I know he has had several girlfriends (he was in a long-term relationship with a model named Veronica Webb as of a few years ago, don't know whether he still is) and that most of the gay rumors were originally Sharpe James plants. That doesn't mean he's not gay, but I really have no idea why he'd be closeted at this point if he was. I think we're at a point where bachelor politicians are unfortunately seen as closeted gays. Granted, the blatant misogyny from Bloomberg reads like someone overcompensating, but he's really just a huge prick like that.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:18
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Probably help with the image people tend to have of gay men if he was. I mean, maybe it's just a bunch of Putin-style PR bullshit, I dunno, but the guy does seem pretty macho, running into burning buildings and all. But I'd suspect any gay rumors are probably just that.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:19
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He's just too busy (with his twitter addiction) to maintain a relationship. He wrote an article in 1992 about how he regrets being disgusted by gay people as a youth.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:33
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I really need to know the sexual orientations of various political figures for when I'm writing my 2016 fanfiction. Speaking of: what are the odds that, assuming Booker wins the upcoming Senate election, he gets pulled in for a VP slot in 2016?
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Jun 5, 2013 23:34
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It's actually really obvious that Booker is in love with a man.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:36
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Joementum posted:It's actually really obvious that Booker is in love with a man. 
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Jun 5, 2013 23:37
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I really need to know the sexual orientations of various political figures for when I'm writing my 2016 fanfiction. Which presidential candidates shortfalls would he bolster, and for whom.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:39
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I really need to know the sexual orientations of various political figures for when I'm writing my 2016 fanfiction. Like that's ever stopped a fanfic writer.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:42
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Booker went to Stanford on a football scholarship, so while as with everything with Cory there's some PR at play, I don't think the idea of him as a "macho" dude generally is fictional.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:48
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Jun 5, 2013 23:54
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foot posted:Which presidential candidates shortfalls would he bolster, and for whom. There's the really obvious one: he is black and none of the other prospective Democratic candidates are. But I don't think VP picks made solely on appealing to a certain geographic or demographic group are a great idea. Also (this doesn't apply to Booker, obviously): never pick a first-term governor!
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mcmagic posted:I'm going to say (having pulled this directly out of my rear end) that there is about a 40% chance he's gay. Though if that rumor is going to hurt his primary candidacy more than his awful economic policies will I'm all for it being spread. Homophobia: OK if it's used against a neoliberal. 
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Jun 6, 2013 00:05
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To be honest, I doubt being gay will be a huge slash against a presidential candidate in like, 11 years anyway. Cory Booker is probably straight. Who was the last single person running for president in a primary, anyway?
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Jun 6, 2013 00:40
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I really need to know the sexual orientations of various political figures for when I'm writing my 2016 fanfiction.  http://hailtotheslash.com/ Why do you make me link this?
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mcmagic posted:I'm going to say (having pulled this directly out of my rear end) that there is about a 40% chance he's gay. Though if that rumor is going to hurt his primary candidacy more than his awful economic policies will I'm all for it being spread. I guess it's good to see that you are what you hate.
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Jun 6, 2013 03:16
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Gen. Ripper posted:Homophobia: OK if it's used against a neoliberal. Relax. The post was clearly tongue in cheek.
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Jun 6, 2013 03:25
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mcmagic posted:Relax. The post was clearly tongue in cheek. It really wasn't clear bro. That said, I found this conversation illuminating. I had figured that the Booker hate was a combination of Crony bullshit and EmoProg whining and I was right. Is the  in the thread still that Senator Warren is too boring / North East liberal for a white house run? Honestly I'd almost rather have a solid progressive in the Senate for another thirty years anyway. We really need one.
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"EmoProg"? Sounds like an Erick Erickson hashtag.jeffersonlives posted:most of the gay rumors were originally Sharpe James plants.
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SombreroAgnew posted:This makes a great deal of sense. It went substantially beyond sexual orientation, but it's pretty easy for Booker to prove that Booker isn't white, isn't Jewish, and actually lives in Newark, and considerably harder to know his inner sexual thoughts.
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Jun 6, 2013 05:28
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mcmagic posted:Relax. The post was clearly tongue in cheek. The tongue-in-cheekness was the opposite of clear. Especially when you went on to talk about how you wouldn't do it YOURSELF but you're totally fine with it! So, you know. Not cool.
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Rygar201 posted:It really wasn't clear bro. That said, I found this conversation illuminating. I had figured that the Booker hate was a combination of Crony bullshit and EmoProg whining and I was right. Warren also probably lacks the experience to do the job. A lot of people say she isn't ready to the national stage, and it kind of shows when you watch her speak.
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mcmagic posted:I'm going to say (having pulled this directly out of my rear end) that there is about a 40% chance he's gay. Though if that rumor is going to hurt his primary candidacy more than his awful economic policies will I'm all for it being spread. You're one of those people who thinks it's okay to call Rubio a filthy loving spic because you disagree with his policies, aren't you? Edit: "It's just a joke, like on Top Gear" is a weak defense for petty bigotry. The Warszawa fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Jun 6, 2013 |
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Jun 6, 2013 08:08
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mcmagic posted:Relax. The post was clearly tongue in cheek. OK Rush.
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Rygar201 posted:It really wasn't clear bro. That said, I found this conversation illuminating. I had figured that the Booker hate was a combination of Crony bullshit and EmoProg whining and I was right. This post is all kinds of cognitive dissidence.
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mcmagic posted:This post is all kinds of cognitive dissidence. Hey, you literally went all "ends justify the means" on exploiting local and national homophobia to impede a candidate because of his economic policies, walked it back a little, then realized you were still seen as reprehensible so you tried to pass it off as a joke, like on Top Gear. Booker may very well be a center-left neoliberal, but you're willing to throw in with bigots and hatemongers and that's much, much worse.
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The Warszawa posted:Hey, you literally went all "ends justify the means" on exploiting local and national homophobia to impede a candidate because of his economic policies, walked it back a little, then realized you were still seen as reprehensible so you tried to pass it off as a joke, like on Top Gear. Listen, i might be guilty of in-artfully putting that post (even though I said I was talking out of my rear end) but that pales in comparison to: "More senators should be like Liz Warren.... So I'm voting for CORY BOOKER"
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mcmagic posted:Listen, i might be guilty of in-artfully putting that post (even though I said I was talking out of my rear end) but that pales in comparison to: Why? Seems about right to me - good on some issues, terrible on others, they are pretty similar overall. Or are you one of those idiots who believes Warren is Superliberal because she's mean to banks? (She isn't. Nice lady, but definitely a mainstream Democrat.)
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Kalman posted:Why? Seems about right to me - good on some issues, terrible on others, they are pretty similar overall. I'm not sure what "superliberal" means but she's vastly better than Booker on most issues that I care about.
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mcmagic posted:I'm not sure what "superliberal" means but she's vastly better than Booker on most issues that I care about. None of which makes the post you quoted "full of cognitive dissonance," because (thankfully) not everyone thinks like you. Jeffersonlives posted a pretty good rundown of why Booker's positions are more ambiguous than you might think - there are regional and local politics at play.
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