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Knuc If U Buck posted:I'm reading storm again, and I forgot this because in my head I seemed to remember Grenn or someone saving him, but he actually overpowers Small Paul Wight with his fatness and kills him by stuffing a torch into his mouth. Sam also clobbers Dareon in Braavos by falling on him. At some point, it'll become a superpower.
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Aurain posted:This is the only acceptable order for favourite characters. Actually, yeah, I keep forgetting that AFFC was when I started to like Jaime. That was an awesome thing too. Jaime, Stannis the Mannis, and Victarion. That's the money, right there.
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Blind Sally posted:Actually, yeah, I keep forgetting that AFFC was when I started to like Jaime. That was an awesome thing too. Jaime, Stannis the Mannis, and Victarion. That's the money, right there. GRRM is going to take them all away from you...well maybe not Jaime, but Stannis and Victarion are doomed. e: actually yeah he's taking them all away since he isn't going to finish the series.
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Shoehead posted:Wuuuh... Why did I forget about this thread and asoiaf for a month? Why didn't you leave while you had the chance. Now you will be forever doomed.
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Yureina posted:It was my understanding that this happened before Dany went to Qarth, and so that it wouldn't have been Pyat Pree. Did a warlock try to assassinate her with a manticore after she burned them up in their house?
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Anders posted:Why didn't you leave while you had the chance. Now you will be forever doomed. ASoIaF is like the mafia. The only way you can ever truly leave is in a casket.
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fleshweasel posted:Did a warlock try to assassinate her with a manticore after she burned them up in their house? The Warlocks hire an assassin from a group in Qarth called the Sorrowful Ones and the assassin pulls the manticore trick on her. The show decided to just make a warlock do it so it's less confusing since there's already a billion factions for the show babbys to have to deal with and it's too much for their tiny non book reading brains.
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Anders posted:Why didn't you leave while you had the chance. Now you will be forever doomed. Just when I thought I was out, ya pull me back in!
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Shoehead posted:Just when I thought I was out, ya pull me back in! Editor's cut from Qarl/Asha sexy funtime?
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Blind Sally posted:Jaime, Stannis the Mannis, and Victarion. That's the money, right there. All of these people will die in the next book. j/k there will be no next book
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Junkenstein posted:Entering 10 characters into a computer from the 70's every 8 hours? Isn't that how GRRM writes? Holy poo poo. Raddest GURMBURN.
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Blind Sally posted:Actually, yeah, I keep forgetting that AFFC was when I started to like Jaime. That was an awesome thing too. Jaime, Stannis the Mannis, and Victarion. That's the money, right there. One of the things I love about Jaime's arc is that everyone pegs him as a dumb jock but he ends up being more effective than basically anyone else at using his authority to get poo poo done.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:One of the things I love about Jaime's arc is that everyone pegs him as a dumb jock but he ends up being more effective than basically anyone else at using his authority to get poo poo done. Yeah he's been running from having an authority role because he doesn't want to be like his father(because Tywin is a dick), but when he's forced into it he's actually really capable.
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geeves posted:AFFC got much better after reading ADWD. My broken finger didn't hurt as much once my leg was broken.
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Fog Tripper posted:My broken finger didn't hurt as much once my leg was broken. My haemorrhoids didn't bother me as much once I got my urinary tract infection.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:A Dance with Dragons wasn't so bad once we got The Winds of Winter gently caress this is going to happen isn't it?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:A Dance with Dragons wasn't so bad once we got The Winds of Winter GRRM's ASOIAF books weren't as bad once we got Kevin J. Anderson having to finish the last book.
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pentyne posted:GRRM's ASOIAF books weren't as bad once we got Kevin J. Anderson having to finish the last book. MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE WALL: The author is dead. Please watch the tv show to see how this poo poo ends.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:gently caress this is going to happen isn't it? Of course not. There will be no next book.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:One of the things I love about Jaime's arc is that everyone pegs him as a dumb jock but he ends up being more effective than basically anyone else at using his authority to get poo poo done. To be fair, his primary competition is Cersei. It's not hard to shine next to that turd.
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Fog Tripper posted:How was it duress at the point she said yes? The guy put like an hour of foreplay in, and she (at least the way gurm wrote it) was quite willing and ready at that point. The Iron Rose posted:Can you just like, stop. Please. Man that poo poo is straight up female fantasy. Jesus. Sold to a barbarian prince, who takes her maiden head in a rough yet romantic way - there is no word for "no" in Barbarian or whatever poo poo that was. Saved from her evil brother/father/lover, and thus inheriting 2 crowns ( westeros and ultimately Dragos Horsefuckers ). I mean he even gave her a my pretty pony, and she learned their nomadic ways... That section is a lovely romance novel, not something for people to get all "rapey" about.    You know whats a rape? That poo poo Gregor does to that 13 year Inn keeps daughter, and making the Father give him change. edit: thought of more stupid fantasy poo poo going on with the penniless princess being married off to the barbarian prince... kcroy fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Aug 18, 2013 |
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kcroy posted:Man that poo poo is straight up female fantasy. Jesus. Sold to a barbarian prince, who takes her maiden head in a rough yet romantic way - there is no word for "no" in Barbarian or whatever poo poo that was. I mean he even gave her a my pretty pony, and she learned their nomadic ways... That section is a lovely romance novel, not something for people to get all "rapey" about. Yes. Being literally sold to and subsequently raped by a warlord who literally doesn't understand consent is totally my female fantasy. Absolutely. Now, given this is SA, I actually can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. If you are, good job, feel free to ignore the following, my apologies for being an idiot. See, this is the thing with ASOIAF and every other piece of medievalesque fantasy - you actually have to judge it, on a moral basis, on your own, present day merits. Just because, in that time frame, women literally could not give or rescind their consent does not in fact mean that consent is meaningless. So yeah. The teenager (how old is Dany again?) who got sold into marriage is actually just much a rape victim as the thirteen year old commoner, and gently caress you, you ignorant piece of poo poo, for actually making me say that.
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kcroy posted:You know whats a rape? That poo poo Gregor does to that 13 year Inn keeps daughter, and making the Father give him change. Raping a thirteen year old girl, bad. Selling a thirteen year old girl to be a horse lord's bride, totally cool.
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Just going to put "The Iron Rose" on ignore now, because she only comes into this thread to cherrypick (and appears to specifially scan for) posts about her pet peeve so she can rage about it. No one here needs you to educate anybody on anything at all, so get off your high horse and put away the lecture pointer. You probably mean well, but it's all nipples on a breastplate. Now for more important matters: I'm pretty sure Magysty McMurphy, acclaimed author of Barbarian Breezes, was also the name of a Harry Potter character at some point, probably a Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher.
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It's only ~horse romance~ if the author is female. Anyway, let's not poo poo up this thread with figurative poo poo, ok???
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PittTheElder posted:Raping a thirteen year old girl, bad. Selling a thirteen year old girl to be a horse lord's bride, totally cool. no no no - one does not bargain with dothraki that way - she was a gift! Here go read some Clan of the Cave Bear some female pedo posted:
The Iron Rose posted:my apologies for being an idiot. It's ok, we are all here so we can learn from each other. I forgive your ignorance, and encourage you to keep coming back, despite the hurtful statements of other posters. The Iron Rose posted:I don't have the same fantasies as other women, therefore those fantasies are wrong. Look, Dany's coming of age - her rise from the ashes ( literally ) - is only possible because of her powerless position at the beginning. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that we revert to an age where women are just a means to further the bloodline, and are used as pawns in political marriages - but I don't think you can deny that there is a valid fantasy element in that world - might not be your fantasy, but it sure as poo poo an aspect of a LOT of people's at some level. And that set up for this "horrible world" being so bad is what makes her rise that much better. I mean, I don't think that anyone who enjoys reading post apocalyptic/ dystopian fiction actually WANTS any of that poo poo to happen. I don't think that anyone who reads war novels, REALLY WANTS to be in a loving fox hole with bombs going off and the stench of death surrounding them. But that doesn't make the fantasy somehow a heresy. I think it is completely valid to say that Dany found both physical and emotional pleasure in her relationship with Drago. Who are you to judge that poor girl? Oops for this part: quote:The teenager (how old is Dany again?) who got sold into marriage is actually just much a rape victim as the thirteen year old commoner Yes, just as every prostitute in the book, and any woman who at any point consumed alcohol and was thus not able to completely consent to sexual intercourse was raped. Just curious though - is your world really so black and white that you equate those two situations as being completely equal? You don't see a teensy bit of difference between them? kcroy fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Aug 18, 2013 |
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Yeah, Dany's more like a mail-order bride who marries Drogo to get her Dothraki green card.
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kcroy posted:That section is a lovely romance novel, not something for people to get all "rapey" about. There actually is a fairly large criticism of the romance genre for being rapey and anti-woman. Even when they're written by women, they still have an uncomfortable tendancy to be horrible and misogynistic. So saying "bah, it's just a lovely romance novel, stop crowing on about rape, it's just a genre convention" is pretty terrible. I like to think TB Thread is the only modern author capable of representing women in a just, egalitarian way.
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kcroy posted:Just curious though - is your world really so black and white that you equate those two situations as being completely equal? You don't see a teensy bit of difference between them? Jesus Christ, dude, she's not mad because she's judging Dany's subjective experience of agency in a patriarchal system, she's mad because you implied it's a universal or even prevalent 'female fantasy' to be abducted by a barbarian who has no concept of consent at age thirteen. You could have a civilized conversation about Dany's situation if you just apologized for that first.
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kcroy posted:might not be your fantasy, but it sure as poo poo an aspect of a LOT of people's at some level. Yeah, but they are all members of NAMBLA.
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General Battuta posted:you implied it's a universal or even prevalent 'female fantasy' to be abducted by a barbarian who has no concept of consent at age thirteen. I also disagree with your comment that a 13 year old has "no concept of consent". Legally, in the united states, they do not - but this is not some universal truth. The age of consent in Spain is 13 and lower in Mexico. I'm pretty sure its 14 in some states in the US. As someone who, at 13 was having sex with other 13 year olds - I can state that I did in fact have "some concept" of consent. Was it an adult, mature, concept of sex - no it wasn't. But to imply that Dany's character had no ability to consent - I just disagree with that. What really confuses me is that if you feel so strongly about this, and were so completely repulsed by what happened - why did you keep reading? I mean, if our heroine was a 2 year old, who was raped and had her limbs cut off in the beginning of the story arc, I would have put that loving book down. But you read about poor little dany, whose brother bad touched her nipples, and had oh so non consensual sex with her "Sun and Stars" and ya'll kept on reading. So spare me the moral indignation. Blade_of_tyshalle posted:There actually is a fairly large criticism of the romance genre for being rapey and anti-woman. Even when they're written by women, they still have an uncomfortable tendancy to be horrible and misogynistic. So saying "bah, it's just a lovely romance novel, stop crowing on about rape, it's just a genre convention" is pretty terrible. And yet they still sell. Why do you think that is? kcroy fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Aug 18, 2013 |
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I apologize if I was unclear, but looking back at my post, I hope it's obvious I meant the barbarian had no concept of consent. She's abducted, at age thirteen, by a barbarian with no concept of consent.
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GRRM writes the type of books he wants to read. And he likes reading about rape. Especially gang rape with a little marital rape and wife beating thrown in for variety. And child rape. Dogs. All kinds of rape, really. He is just exploring his craft: in the bathroom with a box of limited edition GOT-themed tissues. We'll get another book when he can't get it up for the Jeyne/Reek/Ramsay scene any longer.
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