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 there's some mega selection bias going on w/ devs itt. the average YOSPOS dev ~skill level~ is a lot higher than the average devs, and good devs tend to know only other good devs that's not praise mind you, im saying the average dev is poo poo coffeetable fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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yeah but if you live in a non-American country then you don't have to deal with the responsibilities that come with Freedom™
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Mar 3, 2016 19:33
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yeah holy poo poo remind me to never work in the uk, you guys are all getting paid peanuts. that would be ok if cost of living was low but lol
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Mar 3, 2016 19:34
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coffeetable posted:
meaningless without cost of living
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Mar 3, 2016 19:35
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right and low cost of living in the US makes that chart even more amazing.
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coffeetable posted:
That bot makes me feel better about my current job, and like slighlty depressed about the future. OTOH I see adds for webdevs paying 22k constantly so they must pull it down
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Mar 3, 2016 19:37
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Cost of living in Glasgow is pretty good
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Mar 3, 2016 19:38
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Shaggar posted:right and low cost of living in the US makes that chart even more amazing. yep. im pretty sure from everything ive heard that you could maybe rent a broom closet with the brooms still in it in london for what i pay for my mortgage (for reference i live in a medium-sized city in the us)
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Awia posted:meaningless without cost of living the taxes they pay in her majesty's land are most assuredly higher than here, and the loltastic housing situation in sf aside, the col in any area of the united states at all is no where near as insane as London.
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Living in Glasgow is pretty bad
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coffeetable posted:
lol I'm not even close to 20000 (but I do live well)
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also there are loads of places in the Midwest that pay shitloads of money in places where the cost of living is almost nothing. ex: Epic And there are plenty of places like boston where the housing isn't as hosed as SF but the jobs and the money is good
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Mar 3, 2016 19:40
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Awia posted:meaningless without cost of living gosh i hope you're not just parroting a criticism you've seen elsewhere
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our division cheiftan proposed this project-forming plan where fantasy football type rules are used. you get to build a project team based on pay. e.g. you could have 4x indian-salaried team members for the price of 1x american-salaried member. i anticipate this going very poorly lol
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Symbolic Butt posted:lol I'm not even close to 20000 (but I do live well) uhh....
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Barnyard Protein posted:our division cheiftan proposed this project-forming plan where fantasy football type rules are used. you get to build a project team based on pay. e.g. you could have 4x indian-salaried team members for the price of 1x american-salaried member. i anticipate this going very poorly lol there is a website to help out in situations like this
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Mar 3, 2016 19:45
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even if my current pay is poo poo by yosposter standards my main desire is to get a more interesting job. this one was cool at first but there's only so many different numbers you can pull out of a DCF model before you stop learning
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Shaggar posted:uhh.... oh just for context I'm in Brazil
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Barnyard Protein posted:our division cheiftan proposed this project-forming plan where fantasy football type rules are used. you get to build a project team based on pay. e.g. you could have 4x indian-salaried team members for the price of 1x american-salaried member. i anticipate this going very poorly lol apparently the cool thing now is to outsource development to Eastern europe, they are competent and cheap!
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Mar 3, 2016 19:49
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imo y'all should just move to American and become americans.
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Mar 3, 2016 19:49
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Shaggar posted:imo y'all should just move to American and become americans. can I get a good curry there?!? I'm actually seriosuly considering it though. there or France, Canada is too cold
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Mar 3, 2016 19:57
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:lol 35k with a phd jesus Hey, you could do a lot worse with a STEM PhD.
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pointsofdata posted:can I get a good curry there?!? not indian, but they have some good thai you'll also have president trump, though i'm not going to swear that'll be worse than pm boris also LeftistMuslimObama posted:pls leave england immediately u r getting hosed.
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Save us RHEL
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pointsofdata posted:can I get a good curry there?!? you can get whatever you want here.
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pointsofdata posted:can I get a good curry there?!? central jersey
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pointsofdata posted:can I get a good curry there?!? not in SF proper, you have to go to the south bay
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terrible programming status: BLE is still kicking my rear end my automated test setup isn't firing the "connect" callbacks, also isn't respecting the cmd line MTU argument, so I'm back to poking at my phone to do testing. i'd be thinking less of myself, but the mobile app contractors are far worse at every aspect and my plans to get away without learning BLE are failing miserably. im aware of 4 different OS's handling of BLE MTU settings
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Mar 3, 2016 21:30
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JawnV6 posted:not in SF proper, you have to go to the south bay cool. and I here that the Mexican is just a little betterthab what we get here
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Mar 3, 2016 21:34
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Shaggar posted:right and low cost of living in the US makes that chart even more amazing. how about that student loan running in the hundreds of thousands a lot of people have on their backs?
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Mar 3, 2016 21:37
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my student loan comes out of my wage pretax and i have no say in it whatsoever, is nice
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coffeetable posted:quick, tell me why you're unable to extract any information from that chart just because it doesn't present col alongside ive never heard anyone say that before all that chart tells me is that of programmers who use snack overflow the us ones get paid the most and indian the least, is that a perfectly fair wage in india? i dont know
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computer toucher posted:how about that student loan running in the hundreds of thousands a lot of people have on their backs? only if ur a doctor or really stupid
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pointsofdata posted:apparently the cool thing now is to outsource development to Eastern europe, they are competent and cheap! I'm a huge fine of our Romania team that runs our distributed job scheduler, and in Dresden we have our group devoted to kernel and OS. Also we have an ML group in Berlin headed up by this sex machine  Awia posted:ive never heard anyone say that before India is dragged down by the sheer amount of outsource-at-lowest-cost shops and even then they are really good compared to COL. the UK salary average is not great compared to COL. JawnV6 posted:not in SF proper, you have to go to the south bay in seattle the real indian food is in redmond
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FamDav posted:I'm a huge fine of our Romania team that runs our distributed job scheduler, and in Dresden we have our group devoted to kernel and OS. Jetbrains is mostly central and Eastern Europe, which is evidence enough for me
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Mar 3, 2016 22:51
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Shaggar posted:imo y'all should just move to American and become americans. i got offered a job in the usa recently. it pays more than 300% of my uk wage. lol
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coffeetable posted:
oh nice it's not as bad of an idea to work here in canada than I thought better than germany at least, but then again it's germany so it kinda wins on that
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on a slightly different topic i'm in the process of getting extremely owned by very complicated asynchronous javascript and it's got me cheesed something fierce
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pointsofdata posted:can I get a good curry there?!? yes, we have a lot of good curry in the Bay Area and elsewhere, basically any mid-sized or larger city there are even a couple places to get good curry in Pittsburgh, so even small Midwestern cities have it
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ive been an android developer for less than an hour and my opinions have whiplash
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