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That's kind of a thing where the answer is "it's up to you" Gender is a spectrum and everyone interacts with it differently
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No person fits neatly into a simple classification, and wanting to apply simplified labels to people is always an exercise in exaggerated reductionism, in order to better segment and divide people. Doesn't matter if its gender or race or whatever, the people who seem way too keen to apply simplified labels to others, usually have some ulterior motive. At least that's my somewhat idealistic view. I think if you apply overly specific labels to yourself to describe political standpoints or whatnot, you can easily end up adjusting your views to fit the labels, rather than self-reflect on your own viewpoints that may not fit neatly with the labels. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Labels or not it can be nice to understand if and how your own experience relates to that of others so that you can understand each other better.
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This person claims to be a porpoise E: to get back on topic, you'd think that libertarians would be pretty liberal with gender, but it seems like it often comes hitched to a lot of assumptions about traditional masculinity. Why is this? Is it an American cowboy mentality thing? Purple Prince fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:Labels or not it can be nice to understand if and how your own experience relates to that of others so that you can understand each other better. sure but you can still do that without being overly reductive before i was out (again, permanently) all the way i referred to myself as a queer queer because i knew i wasnt straight, and i knew i wasnt cis, but after that labels are a weird fuckin thing and i'd rather just explain my poo poo
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You'd think they'd be keen on abortion rights as well but nope. Libertarians are just another brand of far right, they just have a slightly different rationale for why they should get to gently caress over everyone the right hates.
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OwlFancier posted:You'd think they'd be keen on abortion rights as well but nope. The fetus has landsteaded the uterus.
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It's like that tweet about "the results are bad but the causes are very good" except the other way around. No gods no masters but I just coincidentally loving love the results of both.
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Fun story: Dorian Electra is a libertarian (sadly) and also gender neutral, which leads to interesting electronic music E: Whenever I meet someone irl who claims to be a libertarian, I ask them if they've heard of Max Stirner, explain his ideas, and ask them if they agree with him, and if not, why not. If they lean into the egoist individualism then I know I can get along with them. If they try to defend personal property I know they're just a closet conservative. Purple Prince fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Purple Prince posted:Fun story: Dorian Electra is a libertarian (sadly) and also gender neutral, which leads to interesting electronic music maybe dont be a stirnerite
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:maybe dont be a stirnerite Unlike minarchist libertarianism, Stirnerism is logically consistent. As a political philosopher Stirner trashes most of the great classical liberals. But no, I'm not a Stirnerite. I just think Stirnerism is more intellectually honest than propertarianism.
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my gender is "boat" therefore i am only subject to admirality law
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QuarkJets posted:my gender is "boat" therefore i am only subject to admirality law 
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Purple Prince posted:Unlike minarchist libertarianism, Stirnerism is logically consistent. As a political philosopher Stirner trashes most of the great classical liberals. But no, I'm not a Stirnerite. I just think Stirnerism is more intellectually honest than propertarianism. It's consistent,it's just trash
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Why is Stirner trash? I mean, it's like calling Burke trash. I don't agree with Burke but at least his position makes sense and isn't pure self interest. If you're gonna call a foundational political philosophy trash then you should probably argue why.
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What is with this thread that makes people throw down impassioned defenses of positions they claim to not believe in? Is it a D&D-wide pathology and I'm only noticing because this is the only thread I follow in there?Purple Prince posted:I mean, it's like calling Burke trash. I have some bad news, friend!
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I feel like libertarianism selects for people who are extremely keen on thoughtwanking themselves into weird ideas.
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like libertarianism selects for people who are extremely keen on thoughtwanking themselves into weird ideas. Almost as if this were a forum for debate and discussion or something. Anyway, if you've been to the Balkans or Southern Europe, you'll find plenty of people who are basically Stirnerite in their philosophy. I met a fair number of Greek people who basically hate the government and companies equally, and just want everyone to piss off and leave them alone to get on with their lives. If you live out on a Greek island or something a long way from the central government and find most regulations imposed by the state to be unrealistic for the context you live in, I don't think it's unreasonable to pick up some form of anarchist philosophy. It works pretty well in a agrarian context. Similarly I knew a Nigerian woman who flatly refused to pay taxes because in her experience the state just wasted tax money on vanity projects and corruption, and she figured it was better to spend her money on her family and community than to pay it to some distant bureaucrats who don't know poo poo. I don't think it's a big stretch to see how it would be easier to get along with these people than with American Turbolibertarian 1337. E: also worth noting that this is the original context for Jeffersonianism Purple Prince fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Dec 2, 2019 |
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Here's my other favorite argument about libertarians. Libertarian A owns a tannery on his property and uses the river to dump his waste. The river drifts down onto another property, owned by Libertarian B who has cattle that drinks from the river, getting sick and dying because of Libertarian A. Does Libertarian B have a legitimate claim against Libertarian A? All Libertarian A is doing is making use of his property.
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E-Tank posted:Does Libertarian B have a legitimate claim against Libertarian A? All Libertarian A is doing is making use of his property. Yeah, western American water rights law is intensely anti-libertarian for many very good reasons, most of which boil down to 'if we did that, half of us would die in a range war and the other half would starve to death'.
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E-Tank posted:Here's my other favorite argument about libertarians. Under strict Libertarianism, Libertarian B obviously wants his cattle to die because he is strongly incentivised to move upstream of Libertarian A and chooses not to. Under how Libertarianism would actually work, the river would be 100% owned and controlled by Valhalla DRO and they would have unpersoned Libertarian A for destroying their property, leading to his inevitable death due to not being able to negotiate a new DRO before being murdered in the street and all of his stuff taken from him (by Valhalla DRO agents).
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Purple Prince posted:Almost as if this were a forum for debate and discussion or something. Are you just giving stirner credit for the entire anarchist tradition?
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No, but he's substantial on the individualist side and a lot of early 20th century workers were fans, so he has his niche.
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His niche is as a methadone clinic for recovering objectivists
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OwlFancier posted:You'd think they'd be keen on abortion rights as well but nope. Also open borders since states are illegitimate and all, but welp...
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VitalSigns posted:Also open borders since states are illegitimate and all, but welp... I thought the strict libertarian ideal was open borders? From the Original Position argument?
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I thought the strict libertarian ideal was open borders? From the Original Position argument? You'd think so, but for the oddest reason something usually colors their opinions on borders and migration.
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Somfin posted:Under strict Libertarianism, Libertarian B obviously wants his cattle to die because he is strongly incentivised to move upstream of Libertarian A and chooses not to. Libertarian B would also be killed by Valhalla DRO when he wasn't able to pay his tribute thanks to the losses inflicted on him by Libertarian A.
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https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/drugs-dogs-and-democrats/ posted:Animal cruelty is a terrible thing, and nearly every state and county in America has laws against it. But if the federal government has the authority to punish Americans for being cruel to animals, then it has the authority to do anything. I've never seen a better candidate for the Spongebob sArCaSm tEXt than that last sentence.
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Have we ever gotten a libertarian to comment meaningfully on mercenary companies privatising war and hyping de-facto colonialism? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC4sAaV1eBs I mean, Erik loving Prince was openly suggesting installing a -viceroy- in Afghanistan, and I don't remember him being part of any eeeevil government.
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Sephyr posted:Have we ever gotten a libertarian to comment meaningfully on mercenary companies privatising war and hyping de-facto colonialism? Without the state there would be no profit motive for war and companies like Academi wouldn't exist since governments wouldn't pay them. It came up the last time jrod came around.
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Malleum posted:Without the state there would be no profit motive for war and companies like Academi wouldn't exist since governments wouldn't pay them. It came up the last time jrod came around. Without the state what incentive would there be for men with guns to brutally occupy land with natural resources and work the inhabitants of those lands to death exploiting said resources? That would violate the NAP!
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oh boy do i have a libertarian for you After a well-received technical talk to a keen audience on the other side of the world, Ethereum Foundation developer Virgil Griffith is on the short list for a new contract with the US Government - who will even pay his room and board for the duration!! He's under arrest right now. *ahem* This captain of industry decided that it would be a good idea to go to the North Korea Cryptocurrency Conference! did I mention he's a US citizen, and it's explicitly illegal for him to do this, without State Department permission. he asked the State Dept for permission, and they said no, and warned him not to go. he went anyway. while he was there he was sending cryptocurrency between NK and SK. now, you might think that this would be a straight-up sanctions violation. not only would you be correct, but ... Griffith admitted it chatting to friends! at least if this complaint can be believed. particularly the bit where he admitted to the FBI agent precisely what he was going to do and why:  I mean, that's so dumb. why would anyone do that. it's not like he bragged about it on twitter or - https://twitter.com/virgilgr/status/1161217917427470337 oh. Griffith sure went out of his way to make friends - he was kicked out of the Tor project for collecting, then attempting to deanonymise and sell, Tor user data to INTERPOL and the Singaporean government. he's also known for his way as a ladies man!! *psst* this correctly translates to he's a conference sex pest. on the orange hell site, an ex-friend laments the Virgil he knew - "a few years ago I watched him get sucked into the same vortex as many others I knew back then … His feeds started featuring race-and-IQ material and such … not the Virgil I met in the 2000s." Griffith is also into the LessWrong rationalist subculture and neoreaction. His website is http://virgil.gr - "Life is a MMORPG. Grind. Level up. Conquer the world." ok coiner Nick Johnson from the Ethereum Foundation tweets what he thought the guy was doing - Griffith seriously, literally, thought that he could personally, singlehandedly, through the power of his own intellect, bring peace between North and South Korea ... if only those dum-dums in the US Government would let him apply ENOUGH BLOCKCHAIN. https://twitter.com/nicksdjohnson/status/1201212127945605122 who needs operational security when you have a nigh-impenetrable shield of narcissism there’s engineer arrogance, and then there’s whatever heady brew Griffith was huffing. https://twitter.com/karbonbased/status/1200579159057215488 divabot fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Dec 2, 2019 |
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Golbez posted:I've never seen a better candidate for the Spongebob sArCaSm tEXt than that last sentence. What's next, a licence to operate your toaster?!
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with all the excitement i didn't see this posted itt https://twitter.com/LivPosting/status/1200795717088038912
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Doc Hawkins posted:with all the excitement i didn't see this posted itt Let's be fair in their world the unregulated toasters would burn people's houses down at a rate that makes them comparably dangerous to cars, meaning it's reasonable for them both to have similar systems.
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Doc Hawkins posted:with all the excitement i didn't see this posted itt Oh my god. Oh my god it's perfect. Oh my god.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Oh my god. Oh my god it's perfect. Oh my god. Gary Johnson suddenly looks so reasonable by contrast And he’s getting booed lol
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Gary Johnson suddenly looks so reasonable by contrast "I'd actually like to see some competency exhibited by people before they drive..." "BOO!!!!!!!!!!! COMPETENCY BAD!"
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