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So how come you need gasmasks for krypton, but helium neon and xenon are totally breathable? 
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Trebuchet King posted:So they've all made new stuff, they've been there a while, but looking at their planets it looks like none of them have been building up. I guess they don't need to, but somehow it still strikes me as off. I thought that was what Jane was doing when she jumped through the portal, but I guess that makes no sense as they weren't over a house. Are the portals always over a player's house? Now what has Dad been up to all this time, I wonder.
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Nov 12, 2012 21:31
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Suaimhneas posted:So how come you need gasmasks for krypton, but helium neon and xenon are totally breathable? I think only LOTAK's atompshere is made up of a gas that isn't oxygen. The other planets probably feature the gas in some different way; LOTAK just has it all over the air.
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Nov 12, 2012 21:32
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Yeah, LOMAX looks like it keeps most of the Xenon in the giant X-trench thing.Suaimhneas posted:I'm still not certain if this was the case, or if they were actually doing well and Damara had to keep going back and sabotaging things to keep them on the alpha timeline (the one where they fail, scratch, and create the universe they're created in) Arenea mentions in one of the walkarounds that they were all too focused on personal drama to get anything done. Plus just look at who they had to work with, out of the twelve of them, only four or five were actually worth a drat. Just imagine that crew trying to fight the black king.
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Nov 12, 2012 21:40
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I think it's just the quantity of krypton in the air is great enough that one would asphyxiate if you breathed the atmosphere of LOTAK
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Nov 12, 2012 21:46
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David Copperfield posted:Also, I wonder what Sawtooth and Squarewave are up to, seeing as they brought 2 houses, one filled with dead bodies, into Skaia. You don't know that! We haven't seen the houses and so the carapace people are totally all alive and just hanging out there keeping things under control while everyone else is out adventuring. 
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Nov 12, 2012 21:49
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Yeah, LOMAX looks like it keeps most of the Xenon in the giant X-trench thing. Similarly, LOPAN seemed to keep most of the Neon in those pyramids.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:03
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Where the hell is Dad?
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Nov 12, 2012 22:06
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David Copperfield posted:As far as I know, yep! Corpse
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Nov 12, 2012 22:08
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Looks like this was something he was planning for a while, for those curious.Hussie posted:Over the last week I flew down to Florida, signed 13,000 prints, and made a four minute Flash animation using someone else's weird computer and their ancient, tiny Wacom tablet. Best vacation, or sldkfjdklfj vacation? This is a question that is as meaningless as it is unanswerable. (BTW, the time crunch had nothing to do with the brevity of this act. The old "one page sub-act trick" was part of the A6 battle plan more than a year ago.)
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Nov 12, 2012 22:12
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I'm hoping the next time we see the four nobles, they're retreating to their home which their carapace friends have kept tidy for them while Dad has baked them some delicious cakes to help them unwind. More likely: they missing carapace-folk are not mentioned ever again and Dad's still just missing. The whole time-skip thing is very much in keeping with Hussie's style (show a dramatic thing happening, then jump forward and let the readers work out the consequences) but I do worry that in this case it might be underscoring how the post-scratch kids aren't really as important as the main kids. Which they're not, narratively, they're supporting cast, but it'd be a bit of a pity for them to be introduced at great expense then shuffled out of the way to make room for the 'real' story's arrival.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:15
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Suaimhneas posted:So how come you need gasmasks for krypton, but helium neon and xenon are totally breathable? Helium is breathable. In decompression chambers used for saturation diving divers breathe a mixture of helium and oxygen, since nitrogen doesn't respond well to pressure.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:26
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Dolash posted:The whole time-skip thing is very much in keeping with Hussie's style (show a dramatic thing happening, then jump forward and let the readers work out the consequences) but I do worry that in this case it might be underscoring how the post-scratch kids aren't really as important as the main kids. Which they're not, narratively, they're supporting cast, but it'd be a bit of a pity for them to be introduced at great expense then shuffled out of the way to make room for the 'real' story's arrival. That's better than going on about their drama for a year.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:35
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Dolash posted:The whole time-skip thing is very much in keeping with Hussie's style (show a dramatic thing happening, then jump forward and let the readers work out the consequences) but I do worry that in this case it might be underscoring how the post-scratch kids aren't really as important as the main kids. Which they're not, narratively, they're supporting cast, but it'd be a bit of a pity for them to be introduced at great expense then shuffled out of the way to make room for the 'real' story's arrival. The only pity is that the time skipping didn't come earlier and more often.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:40
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kjetting posted:Helium is breathable. In decompression chambers used for saturation diving divers breathe a mixture of helium and oxygen, since nitrogen doesn't respond well to pressure. Depends on what "breathable" means. If you breathe only helium, you're still going to die. It's just that that's not going to happen if there's anything else around since it's so light. Neon's much heavier than helium, but still substantially lighter than air. Krypton, though, is significantly heavier than air, so you may be in trouble if you get too much of it in your lungs. (Or your brain.) Xenon is heavier still, but as has been pointed out it doesn't seem to be all over the place on LOMAX, just in that x-trench. Of course, as far as the story is concerned these are presumably actually all magic video game gasses anyway, to go with the pot-of-jam volcanoes and such.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:57
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Gabriel Pope posted:The only pity is that the time skipping didn't come earlier and more often. Actually, it might've been interesting if all of the previous acts about the post-scratch kids had been done like this, or close to this, so that we only had fleeting glances to tell us what the deal with these new kids was. Maintain the mystery and anticipation for when our heroes arrive. I guess that might've worked if they'd been more like their pre-scratch Guardian selves (which is to say, fairly distant and mysterious) rather than independent characters in their own right.
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Nov 12, 2012 22:59
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Well Manicured Man posted:I like to think of the Beta kids' session as a tool-assisted speedrun. The trolls being the tools. It fits. Suaimhneas posted:So how come you need gasmasks for krypton, but helium neon and xenon are totally breathable? Krypton is not just an asphyxiant gas (as in, it's useless to us and displaces oxygen); it's also a narcotic. Wikipedia: quote:Precautions Helium, on the other hand, is less narcotic than air, which is why divers introduce progressively greater proportions of it in their gas mix for greater pressures. vvvvvvvvvvvv Fister Roboto posted:Helium mixed with oxygen up to a certain concentration is breathable. Pure helium gas, not so much. The atmosphere in the Land of Frost and Frogs wasn't made of pure frog gas. There's helium, but not just that. If the atmosphere in LOCAH was pure helium, the balloons wouldn't work, since they wouldn't be buoyant compared to the helium around them, which is unburdened by a rain-carrying balloon. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Nov 12, 2012 |
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Nov 12, 2012 23:05
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kjetting posted:Helium is breathable. In decompression chambers used for saturation diving divers breathe a mixture of helium and oxygen, since nitrogen doesn't respond well to pressure. Helium mixed with oxygen up to a certain concentration is breathable. Pure helium gas, not so much.
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Nov 12, 2012 23:08
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Somehow this discussion got nerdier than the usual MSPA discussion. Did not know that was possible... (Yay science.) BTW someone bold my name and let me know if they want an avatar based on this flash.
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Nov 12, 2012 23:23
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Very enjoyable update. Cool new threads for some, funny costumes for others. Amazingly pretty planets and a portal gun. Pretty much everything a good act needs. Maybe could have used some Squarewave and Sawtooth action but you can't ask for the moon every sub-act.
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Nov 12, 2012 23:29
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Admiral Goodenough posted:I thought that was what Jane was doing when she jumped through the portal, but I guess that makes no sense as they weren't over a house. Are the portals always over a player's house? Well, there's the stacked gates above the houses, but there's the return gates (or was it return nodes) scattered about the planet that bring the player back as well. I'm assuming the portaljump gate is a return gate.
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Nov 12, 2012 23:30
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Captain Oblivious posted:I think Jake's tattoo is actually Ben Stiller as Sweet Bro? That was my first guess on seeing it anyway. I assumed that Jake prototyped a skull or something, but I guess this would work too.
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Nov 12, 2012 23:49
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Reene posted:I assumed that Jake prototyped a skull or something, but I guess this would work too. But then it wouldn't be a void session. He could have prototyped anything post-entry like what happened Tavrissprite, but that doesn't affect the imps. I really like the idea that all the enemies in the game are nothing but animated skeletons without any pre-entry prototyping. It's creepy and really drives home the idea that failing to prototype before you enter the medium (therefore producing a void session) is Wrong with a capital W.
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Nov 12, 2012 23:56
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Bobulus posted:The upper half of them look like Chell's long-fall boots, so I assumed they were some sort of a alchemized super-jump or take-no-fall-damage shoes he made using his rap robot's legs. Combustion doesn't work in an atmosphere made of krypton gas! Which doesn't exactly explain why Jake's still using guns.
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Nov 12, 2012 23:56
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Bongo Bill posted:Combustion doesn't work in an atmosphere made of krypton gas! Maybe they're just airsofts.
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Nov 12, 2012 23:57
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I think alchemized guns technically count as magical guns (where magic isn't fake as poo poo).
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Bongo Bill posted:Combustion doesn't work in an atmosphere made of krypton gas!  The atmosphere is probably not 100% krypton gas -- it's probably got oxygen, just not enough oxygen to breathe unaided without asphyxiating. Hence why they are using gas masks and not SCUBA gear.
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Nov 13, 2012 00:00
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Trebuchet King posted:Well, there's the stacked gates above the houses, but there's the return gates (or was it return nodes) scattered about the planet that bring the player back as well. I'm assuming the portaljump gate is a return gate. There are also the gates that take you to other players' lands. Remember that John's Gate 1 dropped him off in LOWAS, and then Terezi (eventually) gave him a map leading him to Gate 2, hidden away somewhere on the planet? And that gate took him to LOLAR. So I figured the gate Jane/Roxy were heading through was one of those.
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Well Manicured Man posted:But then it wouldn't be a void session. He could have prototyped anything post-entry like what happened Tavrissprite, but that doesn't affect the imps. Yeah, post-entry prototyping would have worked. But the "they're literally skeletons without prototyping" thing works too.
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Nov 13, 2012 01:04
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I had assumed that the monsters are undead because everything on the planets is dead, apart from flora.
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Nov 13, 2012 01:07
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It's a good thing they made their particularly odd, circuitous entry into the medium, or else appearing on a planet without a breathable atmosphere might be a very quick way to lose a life.
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Nov 13, 2012 01:15
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We see unprototyped Imps here though. I think to coincide with the fact that everything is dead in this session, so are the enemy game constructs. That doesn't really... stop them or anything. They are just dead. poo poo whare's the cleric Dolash posted:It's a good thing they made their particularly odd, circuitous entry into the medium, or else appearing on a planet without a breathable atmosphere might be a very Fixed that for you.
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Nov 13, 2012 01:15
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Suaimhneas posted:So how come you need gasmasks for krypton, but helium neon and xenon are totally breathable? This has already been beaten to death, but it looks like the other three worlds have their respective gases isolated to a certain game construct. Helium refers to the balloons, Neon is in the pyramids, and Xenon is in that giant X canyon. Dirk's world is the only one where the gas is just a freefloating poison in the atmosphere, because Dirk is Hard Core.
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Dolash posted:It's a good thing they made their particularly odd, circuitous entry into the medium, or else appearing on a planet without a breathable atmosphere might be a very quick way to lose a life. Except that any timeline in which that happened would be doomed, so there's really no Alpha scenario in which that could happen. In fact the whole Alpha Timeline thing is kind of a guarantee that stuff like this won't stop whatever's supposed to be happening from happening. Anyway, I love that all the planets are themed after death and inertia. It makes for some fantastic visuals that are still appropriate to the fact it's a void session.
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Nov 13, 2012 01:39
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Pyradox posted:Except that any timeline in which that happened would be doomed, so there's really no Alpha scenario in which that could happen. I hope you realize that you seem to have inadvertently claimed that people can't die in Homestuck's alpha timeline!
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Nov 13, 2012 01:43
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My guess/hope is that the skeletal minions are somehow animated by Jane's life powers as a means of giving the kids something to fight and propel themselves up the echeladder with. That'd make life a hella boss aspect.
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Nov 13, 2012 01:52
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Trebuchet King posted:So they've all made new stuff, they've been there a while, but looking at their planets it looks like none of them have been building up. I guess they don't need to, but somehow it still strikes me as off. Well, it is the sprites that tell you to build. If they haven't prototyped, either because Jane's freaked them out or something offscreen happened, there's no one to give that hint.
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Nov 13, 2012 02:02
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What's the point when everyone ends up being able to fly anyways?
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Literally Sharks posted:I hope you realize that you seem to have inadvertently claimed that people can't die in Homestuck's alpha timeline! Let me clarify: They can't die for stupid reasons that prohibit important, necessary stuff they have to do later, because the alpha timeline is defined by them living long enough to do those things.
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change my name posted:What's the point when everyone ends up being able to fly anyways? Not everyone. Karkat remained landbound.
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