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The Justice League has been a bunch of liberals ever since they kicked out Green Arrow and Batman is a symbol of that. We're going to talk about it. If you can't accept that then maybe DSA isn't right for you.
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R. Guyovich posted:i see dsa people itt are already turning to the nyeah nyeah organizational model of making GBS threads on other orgs and parties and pretending their members don't do things hell bane controlled gotham for like half a year, he's done more than most
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Jun 25, 2017 04:42
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i didn't read the last page so i guess it's appropriate i missed dozens of posts in the dsa thread about Bat Man
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Jun 25, 2017 04:44
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don't blame me, i voted for the guy from thank you for smokjng
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Jun 25, 2017 04:45
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that devilishly handsome mayor who looks like he wears eyeliner will run for president one day and it'll be between him and Jessie Eisenberg from Batman vs. Superman if we don't start supporting true left candidates.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:52
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Larry Parrish posted:I never understood why he apparently intended to set off the bomb no matter what because it was a poo poo movie
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Jun 25, 2017 05:16
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R. Guyovich posted:i see dsa people itt are already turning to the nyeah nyeah organizational model of making GBS threads on other orgs and parties and pretending their members don't do things what are you whining about
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Jun 25, 2017 05:39
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Justice League more like Justice Lanyards
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Ruzihm posted:https://twitter.com/SilERabbit/status/878439162403147776 
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Jun 25, 2017 06:54
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Ace of Baes posted:what are you whining about
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Jun 25, 2017 07:05
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*largest socialist organization since pre-WWII springs into existence in less than 12 months* umm, you guys aren't being very respectful to the leninist-maoist-trotskyites
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Jun 25, 2017 07:08
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As someone who basically has no ideology beyond destroying capitalism and ideally capitalist I like the DSA because the radicalization backlash when the Dems fail to do anything will be awesome
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Jun 25, 2017 07:15
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e: sorry wrong thread ~no troll zone~
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Jun 25, 2017 07:38
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a good chunk of the DSA thinks trying to do anything in the dem party or electoral politics is a waste of time, i disagree, but thats whats cool about DSA, the majority of our work doesnt have to do with electoral politics, and if you dont want to participate in them, there's plenty of other work to be done
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Jun 25, 2017 08:45
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Ace of Baes posted:a good chunk of the DSA thinks trying to do anything in the dem party or electoral politics is a waste of time, i disagree, but thats whats cool about DSA, the majority of our work doesnt have to do with electoral politics, and if you dont want to participate in them, there's plenty of other work to be done I dont think it's a waste of time im just very much expecting the dems as a whole to reject even minor policy changes and run Hillary again or something
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Jun 25, 2017 09:05
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changing the dems from the insight out via an insurgent wave will eventually work. it's just going to take 4-8 years, not overnight
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i think the dem party is really incompetent so it could probably happen pretty quickly relatively speaking, im mostly hoping it happens bc if it doesnt a third party is going to form and the us will still have FPTP voting, so well end up with a lovely GOP government until the dem party dies or w.e.
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i think honestly if the DSA continues pursuing politics outside of the scope of electoral politics and growing it will be the best way to get people to vote for socialists, and the party apparatus itself is much less important than the politicians themselves, who actually have the power to vote and pass laws and run a city/state/whatever
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there's talk in the dsa leadership about fleshing out a guide to running municipal socialists and i hope it takes off and we have a bunch of sewer socialists running local politics, the tea party took them over super easily bc nobody cares about them, if people start getting involved at hte local level its so much easier to have a huge influence than say congress or the presidency
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Ace of Baes posted:there's talk in the dsa leadership about fleshing out a guide to running municipal socialists and i hope it takes off and we have a bunch of sewer socialists running local politics, the tea party took them over super easily bc nobody cares about them, if people start getting involved at hte local level its so much easier to have a huge influence than say congress or the presidency One thing that really pisses me off about the Cali DNC is that they largely don't give a poo poo about local/city stuff outside of the biggest cities. Its like they expect future congressmen and state legislators to spring fully formed from Nancy Pelosi's forehead.
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Ace of Baes posted:i think the dem party is really incompetent so it could probably happen pretty quickly relatively speaking, im mostly hoping it happens bc if it doesnt a third party is going to form and the us will still have FPTP voting, so well end up with a lovely GOP government until the dem party dies or w.e. fptp and ballot access laws mean that entryism is not the least bad option but in practice the only option, and, even if difficult, unlikely and rare, can be achieved, as the tea party movement has (unfortunately) shown personally I think it should be combined with aggressive organization of workplaces everywhere, large and small, agricultural and industrial, and including office workers, service employees and healthcare workers. afl-cio iirc has already begun expanding out of traditional blue collar settings, but iww makes a great partner for these efforts in light of their traditional one big union focus. of course the power of collective bargaining was hugely diminished in the wake of Taft Hartley, but what it would help to do is build labor class consciousness among a broader range of employees, and without something like that, and concerted efforts to achieve it, there's a greater risk that dsa and like movements/ parties ultimately won't succeed
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get that OUT of my face posted:Brooklyn DSA has a pretty even gender divide, although it's still quite white. The Upper Manhattan/Bronx branch does as well, even though it's even more white than the Brooklyn one. I told a date the other day, while we were discussing our political beliefs, that she should look into the Central Brooklyn branch because that's probably the easiest one for her to get to. She's in Far Rockaway, which is in that weird section of southern Queens that's only accessible by the A train, which cuts through that part of Brooklyn before heading south. Whoa -- I was just talking to you on FB about this
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Ace of Baes posted:a good chunk of the DSA thinks trying to do anything in the dem party or electoral politics is a waste of time, i disagree, but thats whats cool about DSA, the majority of our work doesnt have to do with electoral politics, and if you dont want to participate in them, there's plenty of other work to be done I figure with FPTP and laws being hilariously anti third party, radicalizing the dems is the best we've got I'm open to alternate solutions, but I haven't heard anything worthwhile yet
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Larry Parrish posted:As someone who basically has no ideology beyond destroying capitalism and ideally capitalist I like the DSA because the radicalization backlash when the Dems fail to do anything will be awesome Yeah at the rate I'm going I'm going to have pretty interesting opinions on the five year plan in a year or two
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Ace of Baes posted:*largest socialist organization since pre-WWII springs into existence in less than 12 months* gently caress you dude making GBS threads on other orgs for no reason accomplishes nothing
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the people i've talked to in the local dsa have been good people doing good work and participate in actions and are doing all the right things so i don't think your dumbass posts are in any way representative. but gently caress off with that poo poo
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Jun 25, 2017 18:52
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Is this over making fun of the Wayne Foundation?
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Jun 25, 2017 19:02
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R. Guyovich posted:gently caress you dude I don't care about other orgs bc they're meaninglessly small and show no signs of trying to change that in any meaningful way, in my experience they care much more about arguing about dead Russians than helping black people so yeah
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Jun 25, 2017 19:13
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I'm all for DSA members also being in spusa or iso or iww but pretending theyd be some almighty powerful force if they combined is ignoring reality
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Ace of Baes posted:I don't care about other orgs bc they're meaninglessly small and show no signs of trying to change that in any meaningful way, in my experience they care much more about arguing about dead Russians than helping black people so yeah your experience is wrong and it's very dumb to universalize it. namaste
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Jun 25, 2017 19:19
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R. Guyovich posted:your experience is wrong and it's very dumb to universalize it. namaste ah, good to know the far left isn't notorious for infighting with each other over interpretations of Marx/Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin and they don't constantly split into new groups because of it, good to have that cleared up
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yes that is the stereotype. meanwhile here in reality, those parties you are so quick to dismiss are organizing and participating in actions against fascist insects, the carceral state, the police state, and amazingly not giving very much of a poo poo about the other orgs doing the same psl is — right now! — building a dual power organization with tons of affiliated and non-affiliated issue and advocacy groups and it is doubtful they will mention hide nor hair of "dead russians"
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Jun 25, 2017 19:28
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The Assadists and pro-dprk crowd are definitely gonna be what turns soccer mom's into socialists, yup.
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R. Guyovich posted:making GBS threads on other orgs for no reason accomplishes nothing R. Guyovich posted:the people i've talked to in the local dsa have been good people doing good work and participate in actions and are doing all the right things so i don't think your dumbass posts are in any way representative. but gently caress off with that poo poo I think this is totally fair, we should be working to unite and find common cause. I don't believe random posts on a dying comedy forum are really indicative of the overall organization, nor would I take posts here particularly seriously, but to each their own, and it is important to have the occasional reminder that we're ostensibly on similar sides. R. Guyovich posted:your experience is wrong and it's very dumb to universalize it. namaste This, however, is a pretty terrible way of going about it, especially in telling a person of color that their experience is wrong, and is doing exactly what you're accusing others of. Socialists have enough trouble with the perception that it's a bunch of white people ignoring issues of race on an organizational level, if not outright discriminating, and doing so on a personal level isn't any better. Rather than shutting down that conversation, we should be open to criticism and feedback, and seek to be more inclusive of how to best advocate for the oppressed. Isn't that kind of why we're all here?
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Jun 25, 2017 19:40
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I'm just here for the speed dating and sausage parties.
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Jun 25, 2017 20:12
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R. Guyovich posted:psl is — right now! — building a dual power organization with tons of affiliated and non-affiliated issue and advocacy groups and it is doubtful they will mention hide nor hair of "dead russians" what exactly are they doing and where are they setting up a dual power situation
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Jun 25, 2017 20:18
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https://twitter.com/khalidCares/status/879028943717904384
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Jun 25, 2017 20:18
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Is that a fake account?
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Jun 25, 2017 20:26
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Nope, it's the one I've been following for a while and if you go to his site and click the Twitter icon it brings you there - http://www.khalidcares.com/
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