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Jonny 290 posted:tech bubble chat: oh yeah i joined IWW yesterday. but you're not an industrial worker and it's also not clear you're from this world
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DELETE CASCADE posted:but you're not an industrial worker and it's also not clear you're from this world IWW is just the cool kids generic union for professions that don't have unions of their own  except my pharmacist friend tried to join it and the dropdown didn't have "pharmacist" so i guess he's management or something lol
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Feb 24, 2018 02:18
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ate all the Oreos posted:IWW is just the cool kids generic union for professions that don't have unions of their own IWW is a general labor union, not a trade union. important (and unfortunately mostly historical at this point) difference
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Feb 24, 2018 02:20
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Krankenstyle posted:there's no good reason for having so much cash this was apartheid era south africa so ironically, that would have been the most ethical way to operate as a white family making obscene profit selling african gemstones
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Feb 24, 2018 02:22
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Jonny 290 posted:tech bubble chat: oh yeah i joined IWW yesterday. gently caress yeah.
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Feb 24, 2018 02:23
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:this was apartheid era south africa so ironically, that would have been the most ethical way to operate as a white family making obscene profit selling african gemstones i guess you mean instead of putting it in an apartheid bank? i suppose hiding your stacks of money in a safe would be less unethical than putting it in a bank that was run by members of the apartheid system but heres another idea: they had so much cash they couldnt close their safe; thats a tony montana type problem. maybe if they just parted out the money to poor people instead that would be better
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Feb 24, 2018 02:29
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Jonny 290 posted:tech bubble chat: oh yeah i joined IWW yesterday.  unions are really good, and they are your friend
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Feb 24, 2018 02:29
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if i am to be valued by my labor, i will find friends that help ensure my labor is properly valued
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Feb 24, 2018 02:30
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Krankenstyle posted:i guess you mean instead of putting it in an apartheid bank? i suppose hiding your stacks of money in a safe would be less unethical than putting it in a bank that was run by members of the apartheid system i always thought numbered swiss bank accounts were for people like that, especially decades ago when they took that anonymity thing really seriously.
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Feb 24, 2018 02:39
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ate all the Oreos posted:IWW is just the cool kids generic union for professions that don't have unions of their own so is iww going to bargain on behalf of your friend, who they don't even recognize as a pharmacist, with his employer, who they also have no relationship with, and they will do so in a collective manner, even though your friend's coworkers and potential replacements are unlikely to be iww members? like i get the point of unions and i'm all for them but i don't see what a generic union for typically non-unionized professions is supposed to do
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Feb 24, 2018 02:43
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In most sane jurisdiction, an employer who has signed a collective bargaining agreement with a union cannot hire people who are not part, or willing to become part, of that union
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Feb 24, 2018 03:45
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The_Franz posted:i always thought numbered swiss bank accounts were for people like that, especially decades ago when they took that anonymity thing really seriously. they were and are, but back then south africa was under a UN boycott so they had to smuggle money out to put them in the swiss accounts. they couldnt just do like modern criminals do what with using the internet
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Feb 24, 2018 03:45
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FrozenVent posted:In most sane jurisdiction, an employer who has signed a collective bargaining agreement with a union cannot hire people who are not part, or willing to become part, of that union no, that is bad. this enables employers to force employees to become members of a lovely union make the union agreement legally binding for all employees whether theyre organized or not. this protects the stragglers. it does require a critical mass that yall are nowhere near though.
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Feb 24, 2018 03:51
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Krankenstyle posted:no, that is bad. this enables employers to force employees to become members of a lovely union correct. TBH iww is a symbolic org for the most part right now - but they did organize a prison labor strike last fall that had every slaver-rear end warden south of the mason dixon making GBS threads their pants theyre not inactive at all, theyre just small
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Feb 24, 2018 03:53
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Krankenstyle posted:no, that is bad. this enables employers to force employees to become members of a lovely union i think you make a good point, but it also means that labor in america is turbo hosed. i don’t really know any recent numbers but union membership is laughable fraction of what it used to be. i think getting rid of closed shops will just hasten their decline.
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Feb 24, 2018 03:55
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Jonny 290 posted:tech bubble chat: oh yeah i joined IWW yesterday. nice! never stop wobbling, brother
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Feb 24, 2018 03:58
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Krankenstyle posted:i guess you mean instead of putting it in an apartheid bank? i suppose hiding your stacks of money in a safe would be less unethical than putting it in a bank that was run by members of the apartheid system yea i was just making an ironic comment on them not paying taxes
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Feb 24, 2018 03:58
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i still remember the iww-organized panhanders' strike from like 15 years ago, that was a true victory for labor
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Feb 24, 2018 03:59
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the IWW has over a century of institutional knowledge when it comes to rabble rousing for the working folk and thats pretty ok
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Feb 24, 2018 04:02
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considering like 90% of the most influential protest folk singers leaned heavily on busking for large portions of their careers, its not quite as dumb as it seems
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Feb 24, 2018 04:02
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the biggest barrier to organizing in america is that everyone can just get fired & the boss can have have applicants ready day after. labor law needs changed to create a proper substrate. all steps are good steps though, even if theyre baby steps Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Feb 24, 2018 |
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Feb 24, 2018 04:08
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Krankenstyle posted:the biggest barrier to organizing in america is that everyone can just get fired & the boss can have have applicants ready day after. labor law needs changed to create a proper substrate. bu bwuu buttttt my "right to work" 
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Feb 24, 2018 04:21
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atomicthumbs posted:IWW is a general labor union, not a trade union. important (and unfortunately mostly historical at this point) difference  🤔
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Feb 24, 2018 04:22
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actualy,
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Feb 24, 2018 04:26
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The operative word is the one missing from your screenshot. The IWW isn't a union for everyone without a union, it's a union for every laborer. trade unions are for specific trades.
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Feb 24, 2018 05:00
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Krankenstyle posted:i guess you mean instead of putting it in an apartheid bank? i suppose hiding your stacks of money in a safe would be less unethical than putting it in a bank that was run by members of the apartheid system don't worry i'm sure they had all that money in that safe just to carefully hold it until they could use it to pay their almost certainly all black labor force fair and honest wages for all their hard work
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Feb 24, 2018 05:04
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i mean musk is a silicon valley libertarian meritocracy type after all, so i'm sure all the tax dodging was just protesting big government trying to take money that rightfully belonged to the hard workers, who demonstrated all their merit by making the mine incredibly successful and who i'm sure musk and co recognized for their important contributions
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Feb 24, 2018 05:07
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ate all the Oreos posted:i mean musk is a silicon valley libertarian meritocracy type after all, so i'm sure all the tax dodging was just protesting big government trying to take money that rightfully belonged to the hard workers, who demonstrated all their merit by making the mine incredibly successful and who i'm sure musk and co recognized for their important contributions look i mean they just coincidentally decided to leave South Africa at the end of the 80s and emigrate to Canada, there's no foolishness there at all
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Feb 24, 2018 05:09
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atomicthumbs posted:The operative word is the one missing from your screenshot. its a fair distinction, & joining specific trade union is generally the better idea, but joining such as IWW isnt a bad idea at all
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Feb 24, 2018 05:12
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yeah absolutely. if i could join Tech Support Local 303, i would be slammin dues there just tryin to do something, i vote, idk what else to do besides start capping nazis, so i figure ill stay peaceful and progressive
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Feb 24, 2018 05:35
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i did not read that as slammin dues the first time around.
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Feb 24, 2018 05:36
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7 billion genders roll with it
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Feb 24, 2018 05:43
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i only slam comrades 
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https://twitter.com/aproustian/status/967258193444458496
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Feb 24, 2018 06:05
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Krankenstyle posted:i guess you mean instead of putting it in an apartheid bank? i suppose hiding your stacks of money in a safe would be less unethical than putting it in a bank that was run by members of the apartheid system work with me here Perhaps they themselves should have been parted out? idk just spitballing
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Feb 24, 2018 07:06
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well Elon didn't want to report those lose emerald sales as income so into the safe it goes
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Feb 24, 2018 07:15
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Captain Foo posted:work with me here that works for me
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Feb 24, 2018 07:22
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Krankenstyle posted:i only slam comrades
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infernal machines posted:i did not read that as slammin dues the first time around.
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I'm interested in furthering workers rights but its a shame IWW is mostly symbolic. I guess I could see it as a monthly donation to a group that lobbies for those rights. Yeah if there was a Seattle Tech Workers union I'd be down, a quick google search reveals a "Washington Alliance of Technology Workers" but I don't know much about them
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