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Twerk from Home posted:If you want one more datapoint about which Atoms are usable, you need to be aware that the entire N5095 - N6005 Jasper Lake family has some microcode-related kernel panics in guest VMs that resulted in 33 pages of comedy as people reproduce it on every kernel under the sun and hardware from 20 different manufacturers: https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/vm-freezes-irregularly.111494. Right! ARM and Realtek it is, then.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:okay, but seriously, though, what's the goldilocks zone for atoms that I can use for an OPNsense box, but won't either explode in 1.5-3 years or have i225/i226 issues? Or just wait? (because I just got done raging at trying to diagnose intermittent internet problems that turned out to be said i225/i226 issues at work, and was barking up the wrong tree as our modem being bunk for THE LONGEST TIME.) Ugh, I switched to a cable modem with a 2.5G connection and it was flakey AF on my router's i225-B3 ports. I had to switch back to the older modem, it got so bad. In hindsight I wonder if it was the i225 ports freaking out. :/
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Back in 2016, I was considering an Atom board and decided to go with a Xeon-D 1518 Supermicro board. I"m still running it as a VMware host and it's been rock solid hosting PFsense, Freenas, Ubiquiti, and HomeAssistant VMs.
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phongn posted:Ugh, I switched to a cable modem with a 2.5G connection and it was flakey AF on my router's i225-B3 ports. I had to switch back to the older modem, it got so bad. In hindsight I wonder if it was the i225 ports freaking out. :/
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How many Intel client dies exist right now? Is everything from 12600 non-K on down the same Alder Lake die, so i3s have 8 disabled E cores, the N305 has 4 disabled P cores and so on? There's some weird 1+4 and 2+8 mobile parts too. All the same?
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Indiana_Krom posted:I thought I heard somewhere that the big issues with the i225/i226 are all to do with 2.5 gb mode. If you just limit them to 1 gb only they apparently work fine (and a quick google search seems to back this up). So as long as your internet is less than 1 gbit, then you can still use an i225 or i226 controller with any modem you like, but do not enable 2.5 gb mode on them. That was not the case for me, I have a motherboard with the third revision of the I225V chipset and it still would fail when connected at 1 Gbps. Not immediately, but sooner or later the connection would drop and the only fix was rebooting.
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My Asus AM5 motherboard has Intel i225/i226 ethernet.  At the moment I don’t use it because I have to use WiFi for my desktop, but some day…
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Right! ARM and Realtek it is, then. I’m eagerly awaiting the Zen3/4 equivalent of the ol PC Engines APU line to show up. Maybe not Zen4. That platform is loving cursed.
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Hearing rumors that Intel is changing its branding for its CPUs, dropping the "i" from the Core line
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I’m just imagining some altera and sever product managers dressing down the client product managers about how the lack of confusion is making them look bad and it has to stop right now.
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It's kind of gross how intel acts like one of those serial sexpests, any time they start getting dumped on and everyone has receipts, they swap up the naming scheme/product segmentation to conflate the past
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I dunno, I think n*Tel is some hip marketing, folks.
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remember that intel dropped celeron and pentium in favor of "intel processor"
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I remember they had to quit using the Atom brand because they completely poisoned it with dogshit products
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We used an atom to power a simple label printing machine for small parcels at work, and it was still slow as dogshit.
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FuturePastNow posted:I remember they had to quit using the Atom brand because they completely poisoned it with dogshit products They're about to poison their whole brand because Intel Processors are the new lowest end, the shorthand to avoid them will be "Whatever you do, don't get an Intel Processor."
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Twerk from Home posted:They're about to poison their whole brand because Intel Processors are the new lowest end, the shorthand to avoid them will be "Whatever you do, don't get an Intel Processor." They're now good though.
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Imagine if they changed the branding whenever they had a big, meaningful architecture revamp. When they add ecores: change the branding. When they move to tiles: change the branding
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When they get rid of ecores, because there are unresolved and potentially unresolvable scheduling isusues: Change the branding.
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https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1653044141788483585?t=vCQxX34JA7YklYysWTvz9g&s=19 Intel: lol
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1653044141788483585?t=vCQxX34JA7YklYysWTvz9g&s=19 so they are bringing back itanium as the ultra 2, 4 and 6?!?
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Core i was never good naming but at least it was consistent for a long time. Like it was i7 for the 7th generation of something but then they turned it into 3 5 7 and then added another number for generation instead of going up to 8
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Intel 9i-15999v9 Ultra Core Pro. KyloRenMore.gif
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I don’t think much could be worse for mobile naming than what Intel and AMD already currently do, so honestly who care I guess?
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Cygni posted:I don’t think much could be worse for mobile naming than what Intel and AMD already currently do, so honestly who care I guess? Sure it could be, they could go with nvidia's model 
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The spec code has been printed on the IHS ever since they got rid of the SKUs that had a known key (the SKU that gave us the 80386, et cetera), which was around the time the Pentium was introduced. They could just use that, it's got as much meaning as anything else and at least it's easy to search for. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 19:25 on May 1, 2023 |
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In the future, there will be entire college courses studying the bizzaro naming schemes in computer hardware and how they affected product marketability in both the short and long term.
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quote:As for the reason cited, an Intel Director says that the company is at an inflection point as development of next-gen client product progresses. Well that clears that up
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Maybe they should inflect better more power efficient CPUs out of their rear end
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I hate when hardware companies change their naming conventions for no reason other than marketing dipshits inventing busywork to justify their continued employment In fact I hate everything that changes for that reason. See also 80 percent of website redesigns.
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I will say I do like how Intel went to a single sign on with MS authentication for the dev stuff, even though I save passwords in 1password this is even easier.
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I mean, Meteor Lake really is the biggest change they have done in a long time, probably since starting the Core naming? Seems like a good time to change the naming scheme that had really become awful anyway. These are both Alder Lake mobile parts, which one of them has more cores: the Intel Core i5-1240P or the Intel Core i5-12450H? Well its the 1240P, but the 12450H gets more power so its faster, unless its on battery or in a cheapo laptop and then its not. Also they are completely different dies, and the 1240P has a better GPU. Obviously. Not saying whatever they come up with next will be better (see AMD's latest disasters), but what they have now is busted so I'm in favor a change.
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Cygni posted:I don’t think much could be worse for mobile naming than what Intel and AMD already currently do, so honestly who care I guess? Embedded is even worse than mobile on both sides.
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Methanar posted:I hate when hardware companies change their naming conventions for no reason other than marketing dipshits inventing busywork to justify their continued employment Surely you don't mean the logo redesign from 2020 
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Twerk from Home posted:If you want one more datapoint about which Atoms are usable, you need to be aware that the entire N5095 - N6005 Jasper Lake family has some microcode-related kernel panics in guest VMs that resulted in 33 pages of comedy as people reproduce it on every kernel under the sun and hardware from 20 different manufacturers: https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/vm-freezes-irregularly.111494. Is THAT loving why you can't swing a dead CAT5 cable without hitting a minipc with one in it on aliexpress or amazon?
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Is THAT loving why you can't swing a dead CAT5 cable without hitting a minipc with one in it on aliexpress or amazon?
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Mental Hospitality posted:Intel 9i-15999v9 Ultra Core Pro. They ran out of numbers so they started going downwards in the range and adding letter to the end to denote ...something. Almost all even tens are medium core count 14 core chips, and almost all HCC chips are crammed in to the last 10 of the hundred, except when they're not. E5-46s have the numbering in a bit more sane manner, with E5-4669 (nice!) topping the range. Granted, some of the chips were OEM only specials, like the E5-2696v4 (which is faster than the E5-2699v4/A/R parts). The core counts aren't consistent when it comes to E5s and E7s either, but at least E7s are consistently full parts with 24 cores.
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I'll post this in one of the CPU threads because it seems like the least wrong thread for it... I don't know poo poo about CPU architecture but I recall seeing a few images like the the one below recently, as well as being dragged into some PLC/industrial controls stuff at work lately it has got my curiosity going. I've seen some images like this:  And read an article or two like this: https://www.techspot.com/article/1821-how-cpus-are-designed-and-built/ Obviously that article series is a reasonably quick read, and i guess what I'm looking for is an approachable explanation of what's going on between that high level layout and the oodles of transistors and other devices. I figure there is many layers of complexity between "this is a core" and "these are individual transistor" that might be interesting, but Idont even know where to start with terminology or what to look for? Am I staring down a path of madness?
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https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLowKtXNTBypGqImE405J2565dvjafglHU If you're interested, then the above playlist builds a CPU up from individual gates (each of which is just a few transistors) - though some of the elements are only built once and shown, but an integrated chip is used in the final design instead.
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