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Time for my regular question: should I think of an escape plan from the Netherlands? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 21, 2019 14:17
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If it makes you stop posting about it, sure
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Mar 21, 2019 14:43
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Im sorry for annoying everyone but I honestly have no one else to ask. No one at work is talking about and I don't want to sound like a panicky weirdo.
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Mar 21, 2019 14:45
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AceOfFlames posted:Time for my regular question: should I think of an escape plan from the Netherlands? If you're white, no. Otherwise, where even would you go these days?
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Mar 21, 2019 14:51
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AceOfFlames posted:Time for my regular question: should I think of an escape plan from the Netherlands? you're incredibly mobile and you'll see the situation worsening long before it's too late
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Mar 21, 2019 14:52
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AceOfFlames posted:Im sorry for annoying everyone but I honestly have no one else to ask. No one at work is talking about and I don't want to sound like a panicky weirdo. Honestly I don't think you have to make plans just yet. At the moment FvD is big but with them not having a plan and left leaning parties except SP on the mend  I think you can still do a lot worse than the Netherlands.
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Mar 21, 2019 14:52
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Yeah the Netherlands is still a pretty good place to be all things considered. Just don't be complacent.
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Mar 21, 2019 15:31
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AceOfFlames posted:Im sorry for annoying everyone but I honestly have no one else to ask. No one at work is talking about and I don't want to sound like a panicky weirdo. You are a panicky weirdo
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Mar 21, 2019 15:51
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An insane mind posted:You're right about that, but I'm afraid that he would be smart enough to compromise. On the other hand he has no plan at all for anything beyond; we don't like the brown people and I should be able to call a black man derogatory names with impunity without getting punched because free speech. Apparently 1/3th of their voters is 65+ (link is in Dutch), and half is between 35 and 64 years old. So 80%+ is above 35. It might indicate younger people didnt fall for him, but it's probably skewed by young people simply not voting at all. And 80% of FvD voters said they voted for FvD because they wanted to vote against the current cabinet.
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Mar 21, 2019 16:16
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9-Volt Assault posted:Apparently 1/3th of their voters is 65+ (link is in Dutch), and half is between 35 and 64 years old. So 80%+ is above 35. It might indicate younger people didnt fall for him, but it's probably skewed by young people simply not voting at all. Yes because protest votes have worked so well in the past. Do people not know that a blank ballot is a way better protest vote because doesn't accidentally let the fash in? Ugh, but thanks for the stats. Does anyone know why the olds skew so right nowadays? Like, at least the 50+ generation had all the socialist benefits for a long time and now the right is whittling away at them. Is it just fygm?
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Mar 21, 2019 16:25
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An insane mind posted:Do people not know that a blank ballot is a way better protest vote because doesn't accidentally let the fash in? Those people will usually reply that if you do blank votes, the ruling party will simply fill those in with a vote for themselves.
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Mar 21, 2019 16:54
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AceOfFlames posted:Those people will usually reply that if you do blank votes, the ruling party will simply fill those in with a vote for themselves. Then vote for enema Hitler or something 
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Mar 21, 2019 16:56
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AceOfFlames posted:Im sorry for annoying everyone but I honestly have no one else to ask. No one at work is talking about and I don't want to sound like a panicky weirdo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXeWiixwEz4
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Mar 21, 2019 17:11
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:You are a panicky weirdo
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Mar 21, 2019 17:53
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What would be a good operation name for th eu’s deployment of troops on the Ireland-uk border in the event of no deal?
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Mar 21, 2019 18:50
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madey posted:What would be a good operation name for th eu’s deployment of troops on the Ireland-uk border in the event of no deal? Operation no trouble
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Mar 21, 2019 18:56
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madey posted:What would be a good operation name for th eu’s deployment of troops on the Ireland-uk border in the event of no deal?
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Mar 21, 2019 18:58
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operation white spirit
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Mar 21, 2019 19:02
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madey posted:What would be a good operation name for th eu’s deployment of troops on the Ireland-uk border in the event of no deal? Sea lion.
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Mar 21, 2019 19:20
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An insane mind posted:Yes because protest votes have worked so well in the past. Do people not know that a blank ballot is a way better protest vote because doesn't accidentally let the fash in? AfD protest voting worked incredibly well. All parties moved to the right, parliaments passed the most restrictive asylum laws in history and voted for a massive police and police powers expansion. The center right parties basically kissed the protest voters asses during campaign On the other hand, SPD voters hosed off into apathy and blank votes because of the Left party's icky GDR history and now the SPD is a centrist shithole and almost dead and the Left is a minor party and Germany is going to be ruled by a center right Christian mom that perpetually wants to speak to the manager for the next 20 years. Great job. Go and vote. Nobody gives a poo poo about you unless you vote
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Mar 21, 2019 19:22
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Opferwurst posted:AfD protest voting worked incredibly well. All parties moved to the right, parliaments passed the most restrictive asylum laws in history and voted for a massive police and police powers expansion. The center right parties basically kissed the protest voters asses during campaign Same in Sweden with the Swedish Democrats. The center right Moderates and center left Social Democrats both just went to election on a stricter immigration and immigrant doctrine than what the Swedish Democrats were suggesting just ten years ago. It's the Blair legacy, everyone is so eager to triangulate that you no longer need to be in power to get your policies written into law. Centrist politicians will do it for you if they can fool themselves into thinking it will win them back voters.
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Mar 21, 2019 21:25
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https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/03/21/european-council-art-50-conclusions-21-march-2019/quote:The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week. If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the United Kingdom to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council. May has one week to get the deal voted. If the deal isn't voted by the end of the month, then the UK gets two weeks to prepare for no-deal. And the EU reminds all UK MPs that it's this deal or no deal. No renegotiation on any point.
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Mar 22, 2019 01:53
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Cat Mattress posted:https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/03/21/european-council-art-50-conclusions-21-march-2019/ I thought there was something in there that gets us a bigger delay if May fucks off. This small delay is if her deal DOES pass. If it fails and she gets VONC there is the possibility of a longer delay. But i'm not sure. There's a lot of people saying yesterdays news means many different things.
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Mar 22, 2019 06:19
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Regarde Aduck posted:If it fails and she gets VONC there is the possibility of a longer delay. The month of April comes before the month of May, unless I've gone senile.
Now we're on March 22. That means that there's less than a week for May to 1. grab the Queen and bring her to Parliament so that she can close the parliamentary session and open another, 2. organise yet another vote on the WA. If the third time isn't the charm, that gives about two weeks to no-deal Brexit. I suppose you could spend that time overthrowing May and getting her replacement to ask for another extra delay... But is that really a safe strategy? Is that really the strategy that Bremainers should keep pursuing?
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Mar 22, 2019 08:58
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Note that the EU explicitly said that they won't re-negotiate, at this point it's either May's deal, no deal, or no Brexit altogether (through cancellation of Article 50). The delay to April 12 if the deal does not pass parliament is just a courtesy to the UK so they can prepare for no deal rather than crashing against a wall at 100 mph.
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Mar 22, 2019 09:29
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To be fair though, extending it to April 12 is a little more like helping them crash at 90mph, as opposed to 100. Especially since there doesn't seem to be any guarantee that May has persuaded anyone else in Parliament to vote for her deal this time. Plus Brexit preparations were supposed to be underway at the very least since last year, this extension is basically giving the student a few more days to cram in a meth-fueled bender before coming in on exam day and just fainting on the table.
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Mar 22, 2019 09:36
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Honestly there could not have been a funnier solution to this. Instead of going with yeah, do whatever until election and tell us when you're done, we bind it on May's still very likely defeat, making this a Hattrick and then let them leave like two weeks later. I see the logic behind this and it's probably a good approach to this unsolvable desaster, but it does taste like a certain part of the European delegation just wanted to take a bath in May's tears at this point.
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Mar 22, 2019 11:52
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Mikl posted:The delay to April 12 if the deal does not pass parliament is just a courtesy to the UK so they can prepare for no deal rather than crashing against a wall at 100 mph. No the delay is there in the hope that losing a third time will prompt May to call a referendum, election, or have the decision about what happens next taken out of her hands by some parliamentary mechanism. At which point there will be a longer extension. If the EU really were threatening to enforce a no deal Brexit a couple of extra weeks wouldn’t help avoid crashing into a wall. Cat Mattress posted:Now we're on March 22. That means that there's less than a week for May to 1. grab the Queen and bring her to Parliament so that she can close the parliamentary session and open another, 2. organise yet another vote on the WA. I suspect this week’s events will be enough for the speaker to be able to decide that circumstances have changed enough for a third vote to take place.
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Mar 22, 2019 12:18
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Looks like the EU is finally starting to come around to that centuries old, catchy, Irish saying of "BRITS OUT". I think based on her behaviour to date if May's MV3 fails she'll just hang on in power for 2 weeks and settle for a no deal. I can't see her calling a referendum or election, and parliament is probably too incompetent to coalesce around a solution in that window.
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Mar 22, 2019 12:44
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Now he Dutch press is blaming Baudets win on the climate accords. gently caress everything. https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/03/is-something-seriously-wrong-with-dutch-politics-the-papers-on-forums-win/ AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Mar 22, 2019 |
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Mar 22, 2019 12:44
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AceOfFlames posted:Time for my regular question: should I think of an escape plan from the Netherlands? Shot: Will he take the hint...? AceOfFlames posted:Now he Dutch press is blaming Baudets win on the climate accords. gently caress everything. And people wonder why I am always so upset. Chaser: LMAO
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Mar 22, 2019 12:52
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Blut posted:Looks like the EU is finally starting to come around to that centuries old, catchy, Irish saying of "BRITS OUT". Poor analysis. What happened yesterday was the exact opposite of that.
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Mar 22, 2019 12:53
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Edit:nvm
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Mar 22, 2019 12:55
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Literally all the right leaning papers, I mean using god drat Telegraaf or Trouw as a source, lol.
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Mar 22, 2019 12:57
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An insane mind posted:Literally all the right leaning papers, I mean using god drat Telegraaf or Trouw as a source, lol. I am not a Dutch speaker so I have no idea of the leanings of individual papers (I mostly use Dutch news. NL) . Thanks for the clarification. Anywhere where I can get a more comprehensive listing or at least the papers I should be reading?
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Mar 22, 2019 12:59
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AceOfFlames posted:I am not a Dutch speaker so I have no idea of the leanings of individual papers (I mostly use Dutch news. NL) . Thanks for the clarification. Anywhere where I can get a more comprehensive listing or at least the papers I should be reading? Looking through it, the papers like Volkskrant (which used to be pretty left leaning when I read it) aren't blaming the climate accords for Baudet's win but are more apprehensive that Baudet might have a larger voice in how the government (which sadly is pretty right wing already) approach handling the stipulations of the accord. Because of course Baudet is a goddamn climate change denier. E- and damnit I meant Elsevier in my earlier post. I usually don't like the way Trouw reads but I don't think I can call it a right-wing rag. Telegraaf however, you bet your sweet rear end I call it right wing. An insane mind fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Mar 22, 2019 |
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Mar 22, 2019 13:02
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It's one thing to complain about hosed up poo poo in your country, and quite another to constantly ask for help FLEEING a country that's top 10 in inequality-adjusted HDI, for no clearly stated reasons other than "Saw a bad thing in the papers."
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Mar 22, 2019 13:03
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sean10mm posted:It's one thing to complain about hosed up poo poo in your country, and quite another to constantly ask for help FLEEING a country that's top 10 in inequality-adjusted HDI, for no clearly stated reasons other than "Saw a bad thing in the papers." Fair enough. Thank you for your honesty.
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Mar 22, 2019 13:07
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sean10mm posted:It's one thing to complain about hosed up poo poo in your country, and quite another to constantly ask for help FLEEING a country that's top 10 in inequality-adjusted HDI, for no clearly stated reasons other than "Saw a bad thing in the papers." I have the same knee-jerk reaction as AceofFlames, but honestly as long as the left leaning people don't get complacent and keep voting and active Baudet will never have the base he needs to govern by himself. He'll have to form a coalition and that blew up the PVV, so he'll be understandably wary to try. He's probably way happier just kicking against the sitting government and looking like a smug oval office all the time.
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Mar 22, 2019 13:08
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If you're that worried, join some kind of organisation that trys to ensure the public safety of minority groups. Unless you aren't a white guy, acting in this mentality doesn't help anyone.
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Mar 22, 2019 13:10
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