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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah. I recall one where a dude was getting bitched out by some rear echelon dude in Poland because his "has literally survived 1942-43 in Russia" greatcoat was missing buttons. They were handing all their poo poo in, getting it logged back into inventory, going through de-lousing, then getting new clothes before heading back to Germany. IIRC he was headed off to either get advanced training or give advanced training as an instructor. gently caress, imagine surviving the Eastern Front through Kursk and getting rotated back to Germany just in time for the strategic bombing campaign to heat up 
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Strategic bombing killed a lot of people but the proportionate chance for any one person to be killed by bombing is pretty small by WWII standards, relatively speaking. It is *far superior* to being on the Eastern front.
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Nenonen posted:Arlo and Janis: Reminds me how the complaints about realism diverge reaaaaaaally fast between people with more legitimate complaints versus those with a far alt right axe to grind.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Reminds me how the complaints about realism diverge reaaaaaaally fast between people with more legitimate complaints versus those with a far alt right axe to grind. That poo poo's been around for ages. I remember my mom getting all  over some dude post-collumbine talking about how FPS's were "murder simulators" that de-sensitized people to killing in the same way as military basic training.
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Hm? I mean it's definitely a increasingly more recent thing that people (on the internet) complain about like, say, female soldiers in a WWII game or something regardless of the actual history vs people that might complain about widespread amounts of MP44s. I haven't played the new CoD, but I was watching a video by AH and one commentor started off complaining about Black German soldiers and then quickly complained about SJW's ruining gaming and making them no longer about being fun by including things that I don't even know if they're in the game or not. That comic is something that used to be innocuous for me as a history geek, I could nod to it and would've agreed with absent-mindedly like eight years ago but now if someone else on the internet says it I have to step back for a moment and check what 'inaccuracies' do they mean.
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Dunno, without context it sounds like the cartoonist is making the same gripe this thread was making a few pages back, that FPS games do a lousy job of simulating real history, or even real infantry tactics. Just point at the pixelmans and shoot.
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Oberndorf posted:Dunno, without context it sounds like the cartoonist is making the same gripe this thread was making a few pages back, that FPS games do a lousy job of simulating real history, or even real infantry tactics. Just point at the pixelmans and shoot. Yeah yes, I wasn't accusing them of anything, I'm just observing, "Man, I wish I didn't have to over think this sort of statement all the time now."
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My problem is that they had this huge press release claiming ultra realism and accurate representation and immediately showed a side-ejecting MG-34. And I'm not even gonna talk at length about how it is literally the same game over and over. Done to death, I'm sure, but ffs its so lazy.
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Tbh, I find black female Nazi soldiers to be loving weird. I'm all for minority representation and everything, but that almost feels like whitewashing, I guess? Like the Nazis are just an interchangeable force who you can insert your avatar and not this unique, horrible thing.
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Mantis42 posted:Tbh, I find black female Nazi soldiers to be loving weird. I'm all for minority representation and everything, but that almost feels like whitewashing, I guess? Like the Nazis are just an interchangeable force who you can insert your avatar and not this unique, horrible thing. Wait, which game has black female nazi soldiers? Or is this one of those things where you can have a black female multiplayer avatar who will be in Nazi gear if they’re on the German team?
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Mantis42 posted:Tbh, I find black female Nazi soldiers to be loving weird. I'm all for minority representation and everything, but that almost feels like whitewashing, I guess? Like the Nazis are just an interchangeable force who you can insert your avatar and not this unique, horrible thing. if you're going to make both sides completely identical in terms of gameplay except for appearance, i feel like gay black nazis is a better alternative to making nazis all white all the time and only letting the allies be diverse, though, because then that's basically the game giving encouragement to the sort of people who go out of their way to play germans for the sake of their bigoted fantasies. of course probably the best way to not endorse nazis would be to do the america's army thing where all players see themselves and their team as the allies and the other team as germans
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Owlkill posted:Wait, which game has black female nazi soldiers? Or is this one of those things where you can have a black female multiplayer avatar who will be in Nazi gear if they’re on the German team? Call of Duty WW2 lets you create a male or female avatar of any race to allow for maximum customization, but you're thrown into whichever Allied or Axis team is available for the game.
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I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying it makes me feel weird.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:My problem is that they had this huge press release claiming ultra realism and accurate representation and immediately showed a side-ejecting MG-34. But the *ping*, man! We made the Garand go *ping* just like real life! What else could you possibly want for, if not the *ping*!
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DarklyDreaming posted:Tiger Knight: Empire War kinda does this where you're a commander with unique weapons and ammo leading a small army of generic grunts and can give RTS style orders to said grunts while fighting enemy commanders indirectly or diving headfirst into the madness of open battle alongside them. Three Kingdoms era warfare is rather strange. While some extremely lucky warlords had actual units of former Han professional soldiers, most of those armies appear to be largely peasant poo poo-farmers led by a small squad of officers. Sun Ce was not a one man army, but he did lead several charges over city walls, often killing over a dozen enemy soldiers. Because he, his officers, and his bodyguard were probably the only men with quality training and quality equipment.
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chitoryu12 posted:Call of Duty WW2 lets you create a male or female avatar of any race to allow for maximum customization, but you're thrown into whichever Allied or Axis team is available for the game. But can you create a short or tall character? I see right through your customization scheme, developers. Mantis42 posted:I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying it makes me feel weird. Well, I guess if you step back for a little bit, it's weird that a major conflict where a whole lot of people died along with crimes against humanity has been made into an entertainment product for so long that the latest iteration has integrated tools to let people express their individuality while having fun killing each other, dressed up as the belligerents. But also, yes, it is genericizing the Nazis, which is a trend that has been happening for a while in media. There's a real good youtube video by Lindsey Ellis examining Nazis in media throughout time with a focus on Mel Brooks and The Producers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62cPPSyoQkE
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Argus Zant posted:But the *ping*, man! We made the Garand go *ping* just like real life! What else could you possibly want for, if not the *ping*! The ping is very satisfying. I like games with guns that go ping.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Appreciable numbers though? Very doubtful. That's a lot of supply and logistics you don't need to add when you could use, say, captured French guns. The static infantry divisions that Germany had in France were reasonably easy to supply with even oddball ammunition and spares. After all, most of those dudes are just sitting around the Atlantic Wall, waiting for the invasion to come. Supply and maintenance for frontline units is harder than to tier 2 or 3 divisions that you're not even expecting to maneuver. For this reason, Italian small arms in Finland during WW2 ended up used mostly by coastal infantry units and coastal forts. Keeping units on the frontline in supply with some weirdass 6,5 mm cartridge that no one else uses is bothersome, but sending 40k bullets to some fort is easy.
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 Harry Potter and the Berlin Wall, Deutsche Film-Aktiengesellschaft, 1987. Actually just some East German border guard NCO.
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Tias posted:Which installment is this? What is the title? Does it have this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odrfx7WmNWQ? Sounds like a youth choir, given lovely 1930s recording tech.
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That song is from that album, so.. maybe? I want that first one to have been song by all attendees at the CNT congress, though I'm not sure how I know that. That said, they are from the same album. Here's Viva la FAI, which is pretty clearly youth singers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27qsCiEvVhQ
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What's the album title, though? I kinda want to track it down. Hell, as long as we're sharing military/war related songs, err'body post yer faves. I've been digging this song recently because it's probably the most historically accurate description of the Irish independence movement I've ever heard committed to music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VstDOv0C1do Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Nov 12, 2017 |
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Canciones Libertarias. I'm not sure I have it any longer, but I found on f2f back when.
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Siivola posted:
Heinrich Pötter and the prisoner of Hohenschönhausen
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SlothfulCobra posted:Well, I guess if you step back for a little bit, it's weird that a major conflict where a whole lot of people died along with crimes against humanity has been made into an entertainment product for so long that the latest iteration has integrated tools to let people express their individuality while having fun killing each other, dressed up as the belligerents.
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Comrade Koba posted:Heinrich Pötter and the prisoner of Hohenschönhausen
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I'm such a sucker for Weird War genres that I wrote an RPG campaign hunting soviet vampires and cloning experiments gone awry in the Ukraine. If anyone knows good books/other media in alternative/scifi takes on WW1/2 I'm :allearss:
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Der Kolchose ihr kleines Pony - Sozialismus ist magisch
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Tias posted:I'm such a sucker for Weird War genres that I wrote an RPG campaign hunting soviet vampires and cloning experiments gone awry in the Ukraine. You know about Witch Vasenka's War, right?
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Tias posted:I'm such a sucker for Weird War genres that I wrote an RPG campaign hunting soviet vampires and cloning experiments gone awry in the Ukraine. If you havent encountered it, there is Achtung Cthulhu which is essentially n RPG setting/system fighting secret nazi occultists in WW2. I couldnt get behind it because it was a little too pulpy for my taste but the books were very well done and it sounds like you might like it.
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Skype of Cthulhu play Achtung Cthulhu modules if you want to hear it. http://www.cthulhu.me/
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HEY GUNS posted:i would actually be pretty interested to see how rowling's setting would have worked in east germany. i suppose they would have all gone to one of those Russian schools. No one would ever receive their letter of admission because the Stasi would intercept the owls.
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HEY GUNS posted:i would actually be pretty interested to see how rowling's setting would have worked in east germany. i suppose they would have all gone to one of those Russian schools. Komsomol Young Pioneer camp in the Crimea.
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Kemper Boyd posted:The static infantry divisions that Germany had in France were reasonably easy to supply with even oddball ammunition and spares. After all, most of those dudes are just sitting around the Atlantic Wall, waiting for the invasion to come. Supply and maintenance for frontline units is harder than to tier 2 or 3 divisions that you're not even expecting to maneuver. That reminds me, it would be interesting in a game like Foxhole for there to be multiple versions of each class of weapon (like three or four different service rifle options) with different calibers and stats, so you could theoretically have different parts of the front with different weapons that need slightly different but otherwise totally incompatible types of ammunition.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:What's the album title, though? I kinda want to track it down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8wgrZ6t5BA As a bonus, Polyushko-Polye in Chinese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gafGphvoh74 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrT_NYKFMo Siivola posted:
I'm impressed, they got Daniel Radcliffe for the Papers, Please movie?
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MikeCrotch posted:gently caress, imagine surviving the Eastern Front through Kursk and getting rotated back to Germany just in time for the strategic bombing campaign to heat up This from Guy Sajer was reprinted in The Oxford Book of Military Anecdotes. The remnants of the Grossdeutschland division has just barely reached temporary safety by crossing the River Dnieper, after their headlong retreat from Kursk: quote:There were two noncoms and a lieutenant in our group. We went into the building, which had its own generator and was brightly lit. Our state of extreme filth suddenly made us feel awkward. Military men of all ranks and military police were sitting facing us behind a row of long tables. An obergefreite came up to us, yelling as in the old days at training camp. He told us to get over to the tables to be screened. We should be ready to produce on demand the papers and equipment entrusted to us by the army. This reception only increased out sense of astonished unease. Sajer's book this was quoted from was a kind of novelization of real events that happened to him during the war, so this may not have happened in this exact way but is instead a representation of the kind of thing that went on.
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