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HEY GUNS posted:so we were talking about who was rome everyone was rome; i found a 15th century flemish manuscript painting of the murder of Darius III in which alexander has the Double Eagle on his jacket Buddy is doing a wild backhand over the shoulder stab
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CommonShore posted:Buddy is doing a wild backhand over the shoulder stab Give him the ole King of Hearts
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HEY GUNS posted:so we were talking about who was rome everyone was rome; i found a 15th century flemish manuscript painting of the murder of Darius III in which alexander has the Double Eagle on his jacket He's definitely Roman. You can tell by the way his reign ends when he's stabbed.
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Oct 14, 2018 20:44
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Kassad posted:But Darius' robe has the French coat of arm so clearly not everyone was Rome. france is a rome
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Oct 14, 2018 20:45
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is italy a rome?
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Oct 14, 2018 21:05
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Senor Dog posted:is italy a rome? at least ten or 20 of them
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Oct 14, 2018 21:09
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I think SPQR is still the seal of the local government of the city of Rome
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Oct 14, 2018 21:16
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Which countries do not have a Rome claim?
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Oct 14, 2018 21:17
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Which countries do not have a Rome claim?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Which countries do not have a Rome claim? China? They don't need to claim that
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Elyv posted:China? They don't need to claim that There is a remote village in China that claims Roman ancestry.
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Oct 14, 2018 22:05
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That's Liqian.  Now it's up to the good historians of this thread to explain how, through lawful application of translatio imperii, this claim to imperial legitimacy is valid.
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Oct 14, 2018 22:22
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Which countries do not have a Rome claim? Vatican City
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HEY GUNS posted:troy Romans = Trojans though.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Which countries do not have a Rome claim? Poland didn't until John Paul 2's famous treaty letting them annex the Vatican.
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Oct 15, 2018 01:31
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HEY GUNS posted:troy lol
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I remember from back when I was researching Greek epic poems, there was something in a book about Achilles's name in the original ancient Greek being something like 4-5 syllables so his name had to be paired with an adjective to fit the meter, but I can't find any reference for it online. Is this a real thing or am I misremembering something?
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SlothfulCobra posted:I remember from back when I was researching Greek epic poems, there was something in a book about Achilles's name in the original ancient Greek being something like 4-5 syllables so his name had to be paired with an adjective to fit the meter, but I can't find any reference for it online. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epithets_in_Homer Looks like it was real, the references probably have some more scholarly sources
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cheetah7071 posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epithets_in_Homer Homer (he was quite possibly not a real person and the Iliad and Odyssey certainly didn't come from the same author, but I say Homer as shorthand) used Dactylic Hexameter, which means you can only have dactyls (BAM-bam-bam) or Spondees (BAM-BAM). Ancient Greek metres are based on syllable length, not stress like English metres. Achilles begins with a short syllable and ends with two longs so it's not too problematic, and Homer would use different variants of his name when it suited him. One possible problem though is that you can't begin a line with the name Achilles. The epithets did help with the metre and certain epithets are always paired up with certain people. Sometimes it's probably just because that particular epithet helps the poet create a good line. Homer also blatantly "cheats" when it suits him, pronouncing short vowels as long, contracting long vowels or combinations of vowels to make a short syllable, just using several varieties of the same word or name, etc. Later poets (who we actually know things about) were a lot stricter than Homer.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Which countries do not have a Rome claim? Bolivia.
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Reading the book 1177 BC someone upthread recommended and while it's not as focused on the collapse as I had hoped, it turns out I don't know poo poo about the bronze age and just an overview of it for laymen is something I should be reading anyways. It does a great job of talking in detail about a single piece of archaeological evidence that we know more about that usual for whatever reason, and then spinning that story up into a general lesson about the bronze age as a whole. One interesting factoid I never knew is that saying "Hittites" is a lot like saying "Byzantines"--the name refers to their second capital city, and isn't what they called themselves (they went by Neshites or Neshians after their original capital)
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Cool stuff from Pompeii: A recently found inscription indicates that the eruption may have happened later than the currently accepted date. The inscription apparently reads "on 17th October I indulged in food excessively". 
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Oct 17, 2018 20:17
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Zopotantor posted:The inscription apparently reads "on 17th October I indulged in food excessively". 
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Wait did they really find that within just a few days of the anniversary of the graffiti? Neat e: gonna indulge excessively on food today in memorial cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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My favorite factoid about the Hittites is that their law code has been preserved, and it goes to the trouble to specify that having sex with a horse or a mule is NOT prohibited. Although you do lose your ability to petition the King or be a priest.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:My favorite factoid about the Hittites is that their law code has been preserved, and it goes to the trouble to specify that having sex with a horse or a mule is NOT prohibited. Although you do lose your ability to petition the King or be a priest. The king probably just said "wait you WHAT no you CAN'T be a priest ew gross go away I don't want to deal with you" and then the precedent was set cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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Oct 17, 2018 22:18
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:My favorite factoid about the Hittites is that their law code has been preserved, and it goes to the trouble to specify that having sex with a horse or a mule is NOT prohibited. Although you do lose your ability to petition the King or be a priest. 
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cheetah7071 posted:The king probably just said "wait you WHAT no you CAN'T be a priest ew gross go away I don't want to deal with you" and then the precedent was set Listen Suppiluliuma the Horsefucker is a really awesome dude but you don't want to invite him to your dinner party.
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Here are the relevant parts from the code:quote:199. If anyone have intercourse with a pig or a dog, he shall die. If a man have intercourse with a horse or a mule, there is no punishment. But he shall not approach the king, and shall not become a priest. If an ox spring upon a man for intercourse, the ox shall die but the man shall not die. One sheep shall be fetched as a substitute for the man, and they shall kill it. If a pig spring upon a man for intercourse, there is no punishment. If any man have intercourse with a foreign woman and pick up this one, now that one, there is no punishment. People hosed by pigs get no justice.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Here are the relevant parts from the code: It all makes perfect sense to me
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Really makes you wonder just what the Bronze Age was like that getting raped by farm animals was worth legislating about
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I like the logic that it's cruel to kill someone for being raped by an ox but like, something's gotta die, so go kill a sheep
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God drat bleeding heart liberal kings now a days. when i was a lad if you got hosed by a cow you didnt complain, you just died, and you liked it
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Why is having sex with a pig or a dog worse than a horse or mule
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skasion posted:God drat bleeding heart liberal kings now a days. when i was a lad if you got hosed by a cow you didnt complain, you just died, and you liked it Back in my days, we had to walk at least 30 miles in winter though snow without boots before we'd find a cow that would gently caress a guy
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Hittite political ads: "My opponent has been spreading a lot of rumors about me loving pigs and dogs, but he's a liar and probably an Egyptian sympathizer! I only gently caress proud, beautiful, Anatolian horses!"
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I wonder how they went about determining if you got your petitioning privileges revoked
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:I wonder how they went about determining if you got your petitioning privileges revoked "Hi, I want to petition the king about the latest chariot-safety regulations. " "OK, what's your name?" "Suppiluliuma the Horsefucker."
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:I wonder how they went about determining if you got your petitioning privileges revoked Outside the throne room was an antechamber where each petitioner would get asked a bunch of routine questions. "Are you a citizen or a foreigner? Did you bring any gifts for the king? Have you ever hosed a horse?"
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