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I liked the idea of Bucky Cap in the comics because it was this Super-Kill-Guy struggling with being an altruistic hero. I think making Super-Kill-Guy the new Captain America in the movies sends the wrong message regardless of intent, basically it's an NRA wet dream and the symbol of the American (wet)dream should be something more positive and inclusive.
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Rhyno posted:That wasn't my problem. My problem was you saying "gently caress this dude made comic" without taking a second to find out that the writer was a woman. And your defense was "Devin isn't a woman's name." i mean, this was your response Rhyno posted:One of the best run on Wonder Woman in the history of the character was written by a man. Squirrel Girl is written by a man. America Chavez was created and defined by a man. it didnt have anything to do with my mistaking devin for a man and yeah since i didnt know that devin was also a commonly used female name as well, i had no reason (to my mind) that devin was a woman. and as soon as i was corrected i corrected the post. i dunno what the big deal it there. like, admitting the mistake and correcting yourself is generally rule #1
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Mar 22, 2018 20:55
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You never responded to my comment in that thread and you didn't correct yourself, other posters did. You were just being angry about it for the sake of being angry and it evaporated the second you were shown to be in error. From your post all I could see was that unless a woman is written by a woman it's automatically bad.
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Mar 22, 2018 20:58
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ugh this argument
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Mar 22, 2018 20:59
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Shageletic posted:ugh this argument You're right. I'm done and I apologize for dragging this out.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:00
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Bucky is cool and I like him better than Falcon so he should be the next Cap.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:00
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Going from the stinger in the Black Panther credits, have Bucky become White Wolf and be grouchy about not getting the shield instead of Sam. Naturally he tries to show he's better going after some macguffin and they keep getting in each others way, go for a "too many cooks" thing rather than the head-on conflicting moralities of Civil War. Slap the right special effects and more of a story on that and you've got yourself a movie.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:01
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Yeah I like both you guys but this could probably take place over DM. Especially since you don't appear to disagree on anything really.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:01
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Rhyno posted:You never responded to my comment in that thread and you didn't correct yourself, other posters did. You were just being angry about it for the sake of being angry and it evaporated the second you were shown to be in error. From your post all I could see was that unless a woman is written by a woman it's automatically bad. yeah tbh im just ignoring your posts for a while its not worth it to me because you clearly dont respect opinions on representation by those being represented and coming from someone i thought i could trust that shot my anxiety through the roof but i couldnt contain myself today and i mean if you interpret wanting to see women write women and being "unethused" (and that is the word i used, unenthused) when it doesnt happen as anger well thats on you Sgt. Politeness posted:Yeah I like both you guys but this could probably take place over DM. Especially since you don't appear to disagree on anything really. fair
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Mar 22, 2018 21:05
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Bruceski posted:Naturally he tries to show he's better going after some macguffin and they keep getting in each others way, go for a "too many cooks" thing rather than the head-on conflicting moralities of Civil War. I'm down for Smarf as the new Cap.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:06
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Bruceski posted:Going from the stinger in the Black Panther credits, have Bucky become White Wolf and be grouchy about not getting the shield instead of Sam. Naturally he tries to show he's better going after some macguffin and they keep getting in each others way, go for a "too many cooks" thing rather than the head-on conflicting moralities of Civil War. Slap the right special effects and more of a story on that and you've got yourself a movie. i would like to see this lol
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Mar 22, 2018 21:07
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We can all agree that Vision is probably toast, right? I'm not sure he can really live without that infinity stone in his head, but I'm not sure. Maybe they'll come up with some magic bullshit way to keep him alive without it
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Mar 22, 2018 21:16
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I kind of feel that neither is any good for the role since Bucky's rep is clouded and doesn't have the development Bru gave him, and Falcon isn't Cap's long-standing buddy with the same history as the comics, so neither really resonates with me.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:19
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Thanos will see how much removing the stone is hurting Vision and then he'll go "oh my gosh I'm sorry, I didn't want to hurt anyone" and then he'll go home. That shot's actually from the last scene in the movie.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:19
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It's not like they've really used Vision much at all before now, but I mean he's an android, they can always just kill him and then make him a new body when they get the Mind Stone back. He's been blown up in the comics more than twice.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:22
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Just make Captains America starring Falcon and Bucky as the bickering Good Cop/Bad Cop duo.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:22
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They can each use half of Cap's new shield.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:24
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Scaramouche posted:I kind of feel that neither is any good for the role since Bucky's rep is clouded and doesn't have the development Bru gave him, and Falcon isn't Cap's long-standing buddy with the same history as the comics, so neither really resonates with me. These are films, though, not comics. There's a certain amount of compression that has to be involved. It's the same as when, in Civil War, Cap says "He's my friend" and Tony responds with "So was I". Was he? The movies don't really show Tony and Steve being chums explicitly. We, the audience, have to infer it from context clues (like the Mjolnir lifting scene and incidental dialogue). By the same token, it's literally impossible for movie Cap and Falcon to have 50 years' worth of backstory, but Sam's been hanging around with Steve for four or five years at least by the time Infinity War rolls around. We may have only been there to see the really big moments, because we only get a movie every couple of years instead of a comic every month, but we, the audience, can infer a pretty solid, storied friendship.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:24
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Aphrodite posted:They can each use half of Cap's new shield. when they combine halves they control the captain america zord
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Mar 22, 2018 21:28
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site posted:when they combine halves they control the captain america zord A cheesy 90s rock version of the Captain America song then plays.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:38
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https://twitter.com/sofboutellas/status/976835774552395777 works for me
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Mar 22, 2018 22:00
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Phylodox posted:These are films, though, not comics. There's a certain amount of compression that has to be involved. It's the same as when, in Civil War, Cap says "He's my friend" and Tony responds with "So was I". Was he? The movies don't really show Tony and Steve being chums explicitly. We, the audience, have to infer it from context clues (like the Mjolnir lifting scene and incidental dialogue). Well, that's a huge problem with Civil War; we're supposed to feel ~emotions~ because Iron Man and Captain America are ~supposed to be friends~, but they spend most of Avengers snarking at one another, almost all of Age of Ultron just barely stopping from punching each other in the face, and even at the beginning of Civil War it's not like they're exactly getting along. There's context clues and then there's "we really wanted to do Civil War, to hell with actually having a reason for it."
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Mar 22, 2018 22:51
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e: ^^^ Just like the actual comic!Pigbuster posted:Oh man, just remembered one of my favorite things: the turing-machine supercomputer. God drat that reveal was incredible, and it's such a wonderfully pulpy concept. Are you talking about Zola? That's still one of the best pieces of production design in the entire MCU. Chill Penguin fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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Mar 22, 2018 23:17
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there should have been at least a scene or two somewhere of Steve and Tony hanging out. but I get the feeling that Tony has always resented Cap because of his relationship with Howard and probably the way he talked him up growing up it's fun reading between the lines!
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Mar 22, 2018 23:22
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I think of scenes like when they were messing with Thor about Mjolnir in Ultron and kinda let that inform their friendship. I doubt they do each other's nails, but I got enough of a sense of respect. In Civil War when they get ready to talk about the Accords, Steve thinks Pepper is pregnant and he gets so excited for a second. It's only a big problem if you're a pedant.
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Mar 22, 2018 23:24
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There's a chunk of fans who want to see the interpersonal developments be a larger part of the films. I'd love to see more of them just hanging out but they can't sacrifice the action and fights for Steve, Clint and Sam playing darts in a bar for half an hour.
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Mar 22, 2018 23:27
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Tony and Steve chopped wood. That's how men hang out right?
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Mar 22, 2018 23:31
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Every character should get extra scenes of what they're doing when not avenging, like Thor and Bruce before Ragnarok.
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Mar 22, 2018 23:39
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I finally saw Doctor Strange, and while there isn't much plot and the fight scenes are awfully busy in a distracting way, holy COW the concepts for those fight arenas and general graphic-work are incredible. How does one even think of that Hong Kong fight scene?
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Mar 22, 2018 23:52
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Also, I got to point out; being snarky and standoff-ish IS how Tony Stark treats his friends. T
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Mar 22, 2018 23:54
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Taerkar posted:Steve is in his deathbed, surrounded by friends and hanger-ons. Not "Martha"?
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Mar 22, 2018 23:56
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Wheat Loaf posted:Not "Martha"? LoL. I can't wait for DP2 to troll the poo poo out of Justice League.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Also, I got to point out; being snarky and standoff-ish IS how Tony Stark treats his friends. T That's certainly how I read it. In Avengers, there's a clear progression from Tony being downright mean to Steve to being snarky and upbeat like he is with his friends. Tony even admits as such to Loki, that Steve's a living legend who actually lives up to the legend. Being snarky and a bit standoffish and occasionally playing pranks is just what Tony's like with his friends, but there's no downright rudeness to it like there is with Steve early in Avengers, or with Justin Hammer or the like.
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Mar 23, 2018 00:03
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I think the rift between Steve and Tony in Civil War was more believable and supported precisely because they didn't try to pretend that they were some sort of lifelong BFFs. The MCU Avengers were always more coworkers with their own cliques and attachments within and without the team than they were some sort of magical familial unit, and Civil War used that dynamic to its benefit instead of trying to force us to think that these people aren't constantly itching to punch each other in the face.
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Mar 23, 2018 00:04
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If only we had one comic book baseball game
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Mar 23, 2018 00:18
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Aphrodite posted:Tony and Steve chopped wood. That's how men hang out right? That or dig coal.
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Mar 23, 2018 00:23
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Rhyno posted:LoL. I can't wait for DP2 to troll the poo poo out of Justice League. Word from test screenings is it might be worse than Justice League.
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Mar 23, 2018 00:24
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Tony doesn’t really have friends, all his friends are his subordinates. He may not hang out with Steve, but he sees him as his contemporary or peer, and that’s as close to a friend as he seems to have other than Rhodey.
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Mar 23, 2018 01:05
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Aphrodite posted:Word from test screenings is it might be worse than Justice League. That would be hilarious in it's own right. But good luck convincing a die hard DP fan that it's bad.
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BrianWilly posted:I think the rift between Steve and Tony in Civil War was more believable and supported precisely because they didn't try to pretend that they were some sort of lifelong BFFs. The MCU Avengers were always more coworkers with their own cliques and attachments within and without the team than they were some sort of magical familial unit, and Civil War used that dynamic to its benefit instead of trying to force us to think that these people aren't constantly itching to punch each other in the face. Yeah I think of them more like coworkers too. Between avengers 1 and aou everybody's off doing their own things and they treat finishing off the Hydra bases as like the end of contract work with a celebration party before everyone splits up again. At the same time, I also can see how Tony would think that makes them good buds because let's face it the guy only has one friend who wasn't a direct employee at some point, and even rhodey is a friend through work as a liaison, so he'd probably latch on to whoever was around and can consider a peer Efb, drat you Shawn 
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