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silvergoose posted:Coulda sworn Perrin thinks it at the tuatha'an camp... quote:“He reminds me of Wil al’Seen. You always had sense enough not to let Wil put you in his pocket.”
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Huh, so it is.
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Apr 16, 2020 17:32
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There’s a point after he meets “Selene” where Rand wishes Perrin or Mat was there: Perrin, because he knew how to talk to women and Mat, because he knew how to lie to them with a straight face. It’s probably the most self aware Rand gets until the Gathering Storm.
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Apr 16, 2020 17:50
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I think Mat just doesn't have any experience with women before leaving the Two Rivers. He's the immature prankster of the group, and only after a while out in the world (after he's freed from the dagger) does he start flirting with every tavern maid in sight.
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Apr 16, 2020 17:51
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Yeah early on Mat is more likely to talk about pulling a killer prank than kiss a girl.
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Apr 16, 2020 17:56
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Vavrek posted:I think Mat just doesn't have any experience with women before leaving the Two Rivers. He's the immature prankster of the group, and only after a while out in the world (after he's freed from the dagger) does he start flirting with every tavern maid in sight. Is it before or after he learns he is gonna get Married that he starts that behavior?
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Apr 16, 2020 19:23
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Mat basically starts womanizing in the Stone of Tear, during the downtime between the end of book 3 (taking the stone) and the beginning of Book IV. Before that he's either too sick or too busy, after that he's a hot young rich dude in a big city who likes making friends
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Apr 16, 2020 19:27
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The closest he gets to womanizing in the first three books is the mention that Mat is the only one who claims to enjoy the coed baths in Shienar, although even he is actually too embarrassed to get up to anything.
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Apr 16, 2020 19:42
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He does talk about wanting to dance with any of Nynaeve, Egwene, or Elayne when they come visit him (after being cured, and when they want him to deliver a letter) before catching himself and realizing they're all going to be Aes Sedai
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Apr 16, 2020 21:22
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It is pretty clear that he always had a womanizing personality, but you can't get up to much in a small village.
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Apr 16, 2020 22:27
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Til that jak o the shadows is sung to this tune https://youtu.be/QtLBWCAU7vc It's actually very close to what I had imagined
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Apr 16, 2020 23:47
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started the first book again and getting all nostalgic for when I read it was a kid, getting that same sense of wonder and adventure right now  . I like how it eases you in to the universe by superficially aping LOTR. Only part that kind of bugs me, is that early on it very strongly reads like a DND campaign that got transcribed and rewritten
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Apr 18, 2020 17:44
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Famethrowa posted:started the first book again and getting all nostalgic for when I read it was a kid, getting that same sense of wonder and adventure right now It was what, 1991-2? Lot of surprisingly popular D&D novels around then, wouldn't be surprised at all if that was intentional.
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Apr 18, 2020 18:25
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The LOTR is exactly what Drew me in! I'm stuck on book 3 cause I usually do audiobooks and, well, working from home has ruined that. But I definitely started off laughing about what Jim was ripping off and ended book 1 being MEGA invested in the characters.
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Apr 18, 2020 23:39
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One positive side-effect of quarantine is that I finally had time to do a complete re-read. Finished AMoL today after 3 weeks of solid reading.
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Apr 19, 2020 01:05
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Holy crapola. Are you reading in brail now since your eyes have died?
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Apr 19, 2020 07:33
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Things I forgot: Nynaeve straight-up has stigmata. The scars didn't go away when her hands were Healed. (Accepted rite sequence, thorns going through her palms.)
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Apr 20, 2020 08:57
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“I have won again, Lews Therin.” Still, after all these years, one of the best parts of the series.
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Apr 20, 2020 16:24
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I have the following complaint, I am sure shared by all other audiobook listeners: Bayle Domon, Arad Doman, the Domani, the damane. 
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Vavrek posted:I have the following complaint, I am sure shared by all other audiobook listeners: We don’t tolerate Beidomon erasure in this thread.
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Vavrek posted:I have the following complaint, I am sure shared by all other audiobook listeners: Especially where I am right now in the audiobooks, early in Gathering Storm where the Domani are defending Arad Doman from the Seanchan who are using damane. 
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Apr 21, 2020 13:56
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Arad Doman Domani dominated by damane from Toman Head.
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buffalo all day posted:We don’t tolerate Beidomon erasure in this thread. I'm still in The Great Hunt, but I take your point. (I forgot that dude. Mierin's always the memorable one.) edit: On that note, goons have mentioned how differently Nynaeve feels if you first read the story as a teen and then reread it as an adult. What struck me recently was the scenes between Rand and Selene. Lanfear clearly just laughing her rear end off that the Dragon Reborn is a horny teen who she can make do anything she wants by standing there clad only in one of his shirts. Vavrek fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Apr 21, 2020 15:59
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Not exactly. She really, REALLY wanted him to bang her and he didn't, which I still consider to be Rand's strongest act of will in the whole series.
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Apr 21, 2020 17:03
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Not exactly. She really, REALLY wanted him to bang her and he didn't, which I still consider to be Rand's strongest act of will in the whole series. Yeah, but she ran away during the trip to Cairhein. She could have stuck around and kept working on his crazy rear end
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Apr 21, 2020 17:06
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Given her level of emotional maturity, and how genuinely terrified of him she was when he tapped into the bigass sa'angreal, not to mention that she maybe-probably compelled that innkeeper into going "yo dude go
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The Glumslinger posted:Yeah, but she ran away during the trip to Cairhein. She could have stuck around and kept working on his crazy rear end Oh, I was specifically talking about that moment in the desert wasteland world when she's coming onto him strong enough to wake the dead. Remember how insanely powerful your teenage hormones were? Now put one of the most beautiful women in the world half naked in front of you and tell me you wouldn't.
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Apr 21, 2020 17:16
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I always liked Lanfear for wanting to help Rand instead of just killing him. Gives one of the Forsaken more nuance than be bad.
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Apr 21, 2020 17:17
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Just realized: he's definitely gonna bang lanfear in the TV show, isn't he
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Invalid Validation posted:I always liked Lanfear for wanting to help Rand instead of just killing him. Gives one of the Forsaken more nuance than be bad. Help him by her standards, which she fails to realise is the exact opposite of what Rand wants. He doesn't want to be what he is at that point so all her talk of power and glory freaks him out.
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Apr 21, 2020 17:19
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Help him by her standards, which she fails to realise is the exact opposite of what Rand wants. He doesn't want to be what he is at that point so all her talk of power and glory freaks him out. Well yea but it’s still more than just kill him till he dies. Least she had ambitions other than be the chosen one. Then stub a toe and get balefired out of existence.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Just realized: he's definitely gonna bang lanfear in the TV show, isn't he We definitely get a dream sequence of them fooling around if nothing else. Or maybe Rand sees an alternate timeline where he and Lanfear rule together during a Portal Stone jaunt.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Just realized: he's definitely gonna bang lanfear in the TV show, isn't he It'll be a dream scene and we'll spend multiple pages arguing if it was tel'aran'rhiod
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Apr 21, 2020 17:25
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Doesn't she force herself on him in a dream sequence anyway?
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Apr 21, 2020 17:29
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Yeah, Jordan always cuts away from the actual sex having, but it's pretty obvious that Lanfear dream-rapes all the TV boys. She definitely interrupts Rand's normal 3-way pond dreams to do it at least once.
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aparmenideanmonad posted:Yeah, Jordan always cuts away from the actual sex having, but it's pretty obvious that Lanfear dream-rapes all the TV boys. Huh.  I don't remember that. I mean, 12,000 pages, I forget some details, but I'll be on the lookout for that this go-round.
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Vavrek posted:Huh. I didn't notice that either. I know she shows up in their dreams and generally messes with their heads, but I didn't get rapey vibes out of it.
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It's in a pond dream and she wraps herself around him naked then bites him real hard Dunno if it's rape but she's pretty aggressive about it
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Apr 21, 2020 18:01
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With jordan's penchant for fading to black, it's unclear exactly what level of sex lanfear and any particular character engaged in, but that's sort of moot. INVADING DREAMS is certainly a non-consensual rape part, and all the dreamers do that on the regular. They're not good people.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:It's in a pond dream and she wraps herself around him naked then bites him real hard She's interrupted by asmodean that time, iirc. Anias posted:With jordan's penchant for fading to black, it's unclear exactly what level of sex lanfear and any particular character engaged in, but that's sort of moot. INVADING DREAMS is certainly a non-consensual rape part, and all the dreamers do that on the regular. They're not good people. Yeah the wise ones tell Egwene kind of a lot that invading dreams is super dangerous, but bringing people against their will into the world of dreams is capital E Evil.
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