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Impermanent posted:green stuff can get pretty fash to the extent that it flirts with primitivism or population control If only... If only there was someone that decided to mix agrarianism with socialism... Someone that could bring out a Politic of Potential....
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nice joke but they're anti-agrarian, it's like their number one thing tied with urbanization for why industrial society is unsustainable e: wrong their gently caress Autism Sneaks fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 26, 2019 |
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Mar 26, 2019 20:20
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Autism Sneaks posted:DGR are accelerationists, which I'm sure plenty of goons are still partial to, but they're also kinda-TERFs in that they fall under the "gender isn't natural/biological it's a socially constructed caste system" camp of radical feminism, so instead of doing the typical TERF biological essentialism poo poo it's more "women who were born into and grew up in the system of female oppression should have their voices elevated above transwomen who were late to the party": this blew up when one of their MtF transitioning members wanted to use female spaces, and the women collectively decided "no" because they were and I quote "born male and socialized into masculinity" this is why I just try to never ever talk about this poo poo anywhere.
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Mar 26, 2019 20:21
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i think everyone should "self deport" to the country side. now i just sit here and wait for that to happen
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Mar 26, 2019 20:22
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Flowers For Algeria posted:ha! scratch a communist, and a revisionist bleeds catalonia whataboutism is always exhausting because when it's not cribbing from Orwell it inevitably paints the cnt-fai as faultless angels who did no wrong and the pce as red fascists who just wanted to sacrifice spanish republicanism to daddy stalin for reasons. In reality the popular front lost the war for much the same reason as the russian white army, they both were ideological clusterfucks composed of men who loathed eachother. This led to frequent backstabbing, lack of coordination, lack of an ideological goal beyond whatever your caudillo/warlord thinks sounds cool. Ultimately culminating in defeat against a much better organized and unified foe. That doesn't change the fact that this is a derail started when you conflated the moronic ideology of deep green anarchism with the spanish civil war in an attempt to own me for saying that juche is preferable to the death of industrial civilization and 99% of the human population fed on said civilization. I'll take a spicy chicken sandwich with extra sauce
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Mar 26, 2019 20:23
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does anyone have the terrible mario anarchist cartoon where he becomes a hippy with the koopas
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Mar 26, 2019 20:25
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Mar 26, 2019 20:29
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i don't think urbanization is inherently bad, population centers are useful for a poo poo ton of reasons when it comes to distribution of goods and services, but obviously a city needs to be built with sustainability and ecology in mind, which is super possible w/poo poo like vertical farming and green spaces mixed in with your urban structures for residents and services. less endless offices for profit-seeking bureaucracy, more efficient living and arts/culture spaces
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Mar 26, 2019 20:32
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:does anyone have the terrible mario anarchist cartoon where he becomes a hippy with the koopas *shits off the side of block*
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smarxist posted:i don't think urbanization is inherently bad, population centers are useful for a poo poo ton of reasons when it comes to distribution of goods and services, but obviously a city needs to be built with sustainability and ecology in mind, which is super possible w/poo poo like vertical farming and green spaces mixed in with your urban structures for residents and services. less endless offices for profit-seeking bureaucracy, more efficient living and arts/culture spaces Listen waiting for capitalism to destroy the ecosystem and kill almost everyone in the resulting agricultural collapse is the only reasonable path forward. I'm a leftist Deep green poo poo is for people who read the phrase socialism or barbarism and say "hell yeah can't get enough of that barbarism"
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Mar 26, 2019 20:35
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Urbanization is fine, if you assume any modern scale of product of anything at any level you need logistics hubs. Anti urbanization is just a weirdo fixation for people whose politics is centered in the fact that they find modern society uncomfortable, rather than an earnest class analysis.
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Mar 26, 2019 20:37
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Dreddout posted:reads Orwell once lol if you think i’ve ever read a word by some british bougie "antifascist" who wouldn’t even revel in the evisceration of a bishop Dreddout posted:catalonia whataboutism is always exhausting because when it's not cribbing from Orwell it inevitably paints the cnt-fai as faultless angels who did no wrong and the pce as red fascists who just wanted to sacrifice spanish republicanism to daddy stalin for reasons. In reality the popular front lost the war for much the same reason as the russian white army, they both were ideological clusterfucks composed of men who loathed eachother. This led to frequent backstabbing, lack of coordination, lack of an ideological goal beyond whatever your caudillo/warlord thinks sounds cool. Ultimately culminating in defeat against a much better organized and unified foe. the death of industrial civilization is p much inevitable and i’m sorry for your loss, but now you gotta soldier on through the denial phase
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Mar 26, 2019 20:56
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Flowers For Algeria posted:the death of industrial civilization is p much inevitable and i’m sorry for your loss, but now you gotta soldier on through the denial phase maybe but that's basically capitalism's win goal cheerleading for it doesn't make you woke
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Mar 26, 2019 20:57
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I like Orwell, I think he provides a good perspective 
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Mar 26, 2019 20:57
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I don't know why I'm trying to argue with a puported leftist who thinks terf edgelords are his friends and recommends joining them
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Mar 26, 2019 21:00
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Flowers For Algeria posted:the death of industrial civilization is p much inevitable and i’m sorry for your loss, but now you gotta soldier on through the denial phase 
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Mar 26, 2019 21:03
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Flowers For Algeria posted:the death of industrial civilization is p much inevitable and i’m sorry for your loss, but now you gotta soldier on through the denial phase woah, the death of civilization is small potatoes to this guy. give me whatever he's smoking!!!!
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Mar 26, 2019 21:04
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consider my shock when the titoist turns out to peddle idealist dribble
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Mar 26, 2019 21:08
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Beginning to think this guy who told people to join two diametrically opposed groups isn't too bright. I dare say he doesn't know what he is talking about
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Mar 26, 2019 21:08
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belgend posted:consider my shock when the titoist turns out to peddle idealist dribble how fast the authoritarian rears his head when his doctrine is challenged Dreddout posted:Beginning to think this guy who told people to join two diametrically opposed groups isn't too bright. I dare say he doesn't know what he is talking about i don’t care much for dgr but they’re not diametrically opposed to xr lmao
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Mar 26, 2019 21:23
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Flowers For Algeria posted:how fast the authoritarian rears his head when his doctrine is challenged 
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Mar 26, 2019 21:40
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go back to dnd
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Mar 26, 2019 21:43
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I can’t tell who is arguing for what or why anymore tbh.
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Mar 26, 2019 22:05
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im chillin with lenin right now
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Mar 26, 2019 22:08
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Class. .... analysis....
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Mar 26, 2019 22:10
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Let me tell you I'm super receptive to the pitch that society will inevitably become unable to manufacture my meds and I should some how be looking forward to and/or help bring about the state that means the last few years of my life being spent in agonizing pain.
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Mar 26, 2019 22:13
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Yeah wasnt the planets population less than a hundred mil or so before the iron age and basically all of Eurasia was at least able to be cultivated, even if not all of it was? We could probably do a little better than that with global knowledge of crop rotation and parasites and stuff, but unfortunately we literally cant go back on this whole industrialized civilization thing, not without mass genocide or inventing sci fi magic that lets us feed and house the whole planet without consuming any permanent resources
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Mar 26, 2019 22:15
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primitivism is fascist idiocy
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I hate utopian sci fi nerds as much as anyone but praying that we find the loving monolith on Titan or whatever is a hell of a lot more realistic than 'kill 98% of the worlds population by any means, but like, egalitarianly somehow'. What your saying is genocide lol.
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Mar 26, 2019 22:16
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:does anyone have the terrible mario anarchist cartoon where he becomes a hippy with the koopas just thinking about that comic is grinding my gears
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Mar 26, 2019 22:22
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Hello comrade, are you excited to be an unfortunate casualty?
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Mar 26, 2019 22:25
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mozambique is drowning, it can't be helped, i tweet from my rocky mountains condo
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Mar 26, 2019 22:28
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:primitivism is fascist idiocy
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:just thinking about that comic is grinding my gears Thank you for your words
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Mar 27, 2019 00:00
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i believe socially maladjusted leftist internet posters will be extremely powerful beings in a primitivist society, so i guess i would say I'm on board
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaoZXNo0If4
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Mar 27, 2019 01:57
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GalacticAcid posted:sell me on your org, need to start doing politic's again go to meetings of a bunch of different orgs and see what they're doing. obviously line is important but the question right now is what kind of relationships orgs have to labor and non-communist activist groups, because that's where the people are.
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smarxist posted:i don't think urbanization is inherently bad, population centers are useful for a poo poo ton of reasons when it comes to distribution of goods and services, but obviously a city needs to be built with sustainability and ecology in mind, which is super possible w/poo poo like vertical farming and green spaces mixed in with your urban structures for residents and services. less endless offices for profit-seeking bureaucracy, more efficient living and arts/culture spaces guess what country is doing this!!!!!
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Mar 27, 2019 02:36
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R. Guyovich posted:guess what country is doing this!!!!! norway
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R. Guyovich posted:guess what country is doing this!!!!! the landlord thread linked above is something else "i'm providing a service! without me, there would be nowhere for them to live!"
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