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Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Concerned Citizen posted:

his favorability is already like 55~ ish so it's not like that's a significant change.

bernie is the frontrunner, i think he will keep a lot of his enthusiastic base and raise an absolute shitton of money that will dwarf the rest of the field, but there's definitely a ton of uncertainty next year. he's going to get hit with a massive barrage of attack ads from every direction.

galenanorth posted:

The biggest problem I see Bernie Sanders facing is that he does have a quote praising Venezuela on record. It's like the difference between a tattered and ragged rug with piss stains and a polished, ornate marble floor with a little piece of gum stuck to it. People are going to bring up the gum.

A significant difference I imagine we will see from Bernie on the campaign trail when/if he runs in 2020 is that much of what he'll be attacked (though not all) on he can embrace and turn into an asset. Oh no, they're calling me a socialist again, however will I respond to that charge?

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

safely sodomized posted:

99% of americans could give a poo poo about venezuela

probably couldn't even find it on the map

Yudo
May 15, 2003

Captain_Maclaine posted:

A significant difference I imagine we will see from Bernie on the campaign trail when/if he runs in 2020 is that much of what he'll be attacked (though not all) on he can embrace and turn into an asset. Oh no, they're calling me a socialist again, however will I respond to that charge?

I think the power of that word too has been lost on account of republicans constantly assailing Obama with it. They have cried wolf and now I don't think people are quite as apt to listen.

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

galenanorth posted:

The biggest problem I see Bernie Sanders facing is that he does have a quote praising Venezuela on record. It's like the difference between a tattered and ragged rug with piss stains and a polished, ornate marble floor with a little piece of gum stuck to it. People are going to bring up the gum.

they're gonna use that, cuba, the honeymoon to the soviet union, whatever to paint him as being way out of step on foreign policy. that stuff has been floating around, but hillary never really weaponized it as after march 15 she believed the primary was largely wrapped up and didn't want to risk alienating his diehard supporters (which happened anyway lol). but actually i think probably the biggest problem facing bernie isn't even that, it's just his age. he's pretty old now and by the 2020 primaries he's gonna look even more like the cryptkeeper. in a hillary vs. bernie race a lot of people are fine with looking past that since they may have held a lot of antipathy toward hillary, but with a large field he might bleed support to younger candidates.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Concerned Citizen posted:

they're gonna use that, cuba, the honeymoon to the soviet union, whatever to paint him as being way out of step on foreign policy. that stuff has been floating around, but hillary never really weaponized it as after march 15 she believed the primary was largely wrapped up and didn't want to risk alienating his diehard supporters (which happened anyway lol). but actually i think probably the biggest problem facing bernie isn't even that, it's just his age. he's pretty old now and by the 2020 primaries he's gonna look even more like the cryptkeeper. in a hillary vs. bernie race a lot of people are fine with looking past that since they may have held a lot of antipathy toward hillary, but with a large field he might bleed support to younger candidates.

lol Bernie,s actual incompetence on foreign policy is going to be what they attack him not his honeymoon

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lol Bernie,s actual incompetence on foreign policy is going to be what they attack him not his honeymoon

he's absolutely gonna get attacked on that, it's too perfect given the russia poo poo floating around.

Yudo
May 15, 2003

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lol Bernie,s actual incompetence on foreign policy is going to be what they attack him not his honeymoon

The maintenance of the empire is a concern of the bourgeoisie.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
:hai:

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Concerned Citizen posted:

he's absolutely gonna get attacked on that, it's too perfect given the russia poo poo floating around.

I'm glad that Hillary's amazing foreign policy record gave her a landslide victory over Trump!

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Concerned Citizen posted:

he's absolutely gonna get attacked on that, it's too perfect given the russia poo poo floating around.

lol no one cares that wasn't going to vote straight ticket fascist anyway

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

etalian posted:

I'm glad that Hillary's amazing foreign policy record gave her a landslide victory over Trump!

i'm not attacking bernie (the 'honeymoon' iirc was part of a sister cities thing, not because of his ideological love for the soviets) i'm just saying he's going to get hit on it by the field to raise questions about whether you can really trust him without having to actually call him anti-american since that's generally not considered cool in democratic primaries.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
I really don't think anyone cared about Bernie and Hillary's argument over Nicaragua in 2016 and I doubt they'll care about stuff like that in 2020, sadly.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

that makes me like manning more tho

also lol the polysci lawyer doing the thing again where they call centrism "progressive"

my kinda ape posted:

You could make this same argument about the original CSA but that would be pretty fuckin' lovely for all the people enslaved there!

true. that's my main argument against balkanization, though i'm still tempted to support it anyway because it's not like the status quo is great. also the corollary: there are some lovely parts of blue states too, like Kamala, prison and police authoritarianism, fygm trickle-down libertarianism, low density rural shits still having too many seats in state legislatures

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Joementum posted:

I really don't think anyone cared about Bernie and Hillary's argument over Nicaragua in 2016 and I doubt they'll care about stuff like that in 2020, sadly.

I cared! I cared so much!

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Venom Snake posted:

Can we follow the chapo friends lead and stop posting mentally ill hillary people tweets ITT

you gotta admit it'll be neat when the cops discover the giant hillary altar in candice aiston's back bedroom after she's arrested for trying to kill her single white female style

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Captain_Maclaine posted:

I cared! I cared so much!

same! i wooted when they started arguing about whether Kissinger is good or bad (the answer seems pretty clear to me :shrug:) but you could tell the audience was bored and the moderators wanted to move on

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Come to think of it, as far as no one caring about foreign policy, no one cared even when Trump wanted to violate Article 5 of NATO

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Joementum posted:

same! i wooted when they started arguing about whether Kissinger is good or bad (the answer seems pretty clear to me :shrug:) but you could tell the audience was bored and the moderators wanted to move on

it's kind of great how americans are blind, deaf and dumb on foreign policy until someone says 'Afghanistan' and a switch gets flipped in the back of their brain

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Joementum posted:

same! i wooted when they started arguing about whether Kissinger is good or bad (the answer seems pretty clear to me :shrug:) but you could tell the audience was bored and the moderators wanted to move on

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Is this real

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

galenanorth posted:

Come to think of it, as far as no one caring about foreign policy, no one cared even when Trump wanted to violate Article 5 of NATO

people don't give trump enough credit for his good ideas

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

The Muppets On PCP posted:

you gotta admit it'll be neat when the cops discover the giant hillary altar in candice aiston's back bedroom after she's arrested for trying to kill her single white female style

single woke female

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Is this real

what does your heart say

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

people don't give trump enough credit for his good ideas

giving russia a free hand in its former republics is a bad idea

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

logikv9 posted:

what does your heart say

I don't have one

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

I don't have one

what does your liver say

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Is this real

Not in the sense that she'll stop being wealthy.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Concerned Citizen posted:

that stuff has been floating around, but hillary never really weaponized it

well except that time they fed univision that clip from 85 of sanders discussing castro

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

The Muppets On PCP posted:

well except that time they fed univision that clip from 85 of sanders discussing castro

did they feed it? pretty sure it had been floating around long before univision aired it

and anyway i'm talking about their tv ads, not just a few stories on whatever news station.

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

Office Pig posted:

what does your liver say

it's dickeye, that likely disappeared long ago

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
there's also the two foot thick binder of opposition research on Bernie that contained a VHS tape which Kurt Eichenwald definitely saw and isn't lying about

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

there's also the two foot thick binder of opposition research on Bernie that contained a VHS tape which Kurt Eichenwald definitely saw and isn't lying about

turns out the tape was hentai

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Oh Snapple! posted:

it's dickeye, that likely disappeared long ago

It's tiny but it's there

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

*in extremely bernie voice* now, word on the street is, im a socialist. they're wrong.

*pauses, wags finger*

im a communist :bernin:

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

It's tiny but it's there

I'm glad for you :unsmith:

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Over Easy posted:

Not in the sense that she'll stop being wealthy.

Will she stop having huge titties

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Concerned Citizen posted:

did they feed it? pretty sure it had been floating around long before univision aired it

and anyway i'm talking about their tv ads, not just a few stories on whatever news station.

it was during the debate in miami the day after sanders won michigan

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

The Muppets On PCP posted:

it was during the debate in miami the day after sanders won michigan

yeah but buzzfeed had posted it like a year earlier

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Calibanibal posted:

*in extremely bernie voice* now, word on the street is, im a socialist. they're wrong.

*pauses, wags finger*

im a communist :bernin:

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Concerned Citizen posted:

yeah but buzzfeed had posted it like a year earlier

no one cares, the old rules are no longer valid

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